Saturday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 11:17 AM CST
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Ron Washington is being honored by the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum.
T.R. Sullivan talks to Eric Nadel about his off-the-field activities and involvements.
That seems to be it this morning.
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oswalt to the cardinals...
we can stop worrying about that now.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 28, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions
Word is that the Cards are close to signing Oswalt.
DO IT CARDINALS!!!
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions
great news !
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
What would be a good extension (one that he might actually sign) for Elvis?
6/50?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
More than likely he's not going to sign an extension.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Boras clients dont sign extensions.
whats up Jurickson
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 28, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Any chance of Elvis pulling a Weaver?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
seeing how Weaver is one of the only Boras clients to ever do it....
probably not.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
go back in your hole
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
People are not Boras's robots
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 28, 2012 6:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So is Carlos Gonzalez
And Andruw Jones.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Boras clients don't need extensions.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Jurickson
Who’s his agent?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 28, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
no clue
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 28, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Not Boras, I believe is the correct answer.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 28, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Really hoping Profar would develop well
If he doesn’t, we’ll be in a mess when Elvis nears FA. Decent SS are hard to find these days in the open market.
Knowing he has an insane floor, it’s not like I worry too much but still
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
MLBTR has a new tool: Extension Tracker
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/extensiontracker
For all SS with less than 5 years service time:
Tulo signed a 6 year $31M when he was still 2 years away from arb after 2007 as a 23 year old
Hanley signed a 6 year $70M when he was 1 year away from arb in May 2008 as a 24 year old
Alexei Ramirez signed a 4 year $32.5M with an option year a year ago as a 29 year old.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Let's predict his arb
2012: $3.2M
2013: $4.9M
2014: $6.6M
He’d be heading into his age 26 year as a free agent. I’d guess he’d get something like a 7 year, $91M if his power and average don’t improve. Teams don’t pay as much for speed and defense. That’s $13M AAV, so:
2015: $13M
2016: $13M
2017: $13M
That’s a total of $53.7M total. If those figures are close… he might sign a 6/$50. That doesn’t give the Rangers much of a discount, and it lets him hit free agency after his age 28 year heading into age 29.
I’m a little conflicted… I don’t think it gives the Rangers enough of a discount for taking on the risk of him getting hurt… but I also think he’s worth more because of how undervalued speed and defense generally are in FA $.
If you think there’s a chance his bat goes up a level… then you 6/$50 starts to make a lot more sense because if he ever developed significant offensive capabilities those prices go up dramatically.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Is Profar more highly regarded as a SS prospect than Elvis coming through our system?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 28, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I guess Im asking is profar > elvis at the same age same level in the system?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 28, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Which is why...
We’ll move Profar to 2B!
I would love many years of Andrus and Profar up the middle.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And Kinz goes where?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
DH/Util IF
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I don't know.
Maybe leaves as a Free Agent. Maybe an OF.
After his contract is done he’ll be heading into his age 32 season.
Kinsler has also had several injuries in his career. Paying for the seasons beyond 32 make me nervous depending on long the contract is.
I’m fine paying a 35 year old Kinsler… I don’t want to pay a 37 to 38 year old Kinsler.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Kinsler
can play the Michael Young role
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I'd much rather have Profar as a replacement for Kinsler
than Elvis.
"And then the Sample Size Gods smacked them down." - John Hollinger
by northtexan95 on Jan 28, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Translation: 6/50 is batshit crazy.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Why?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
id make that deal easily
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 28, 2012 1:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn't start there in negotiation...
But if it got it done, I’d do it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i suspect your 13/ is a bit low for him
i think that’d be a bargain given that $/war will be only higher in four years
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 28, 2012 1:32 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
But would a league average offensive SS with a stellar glove
Get paid in average $/WAR?
Dingers get paid a premium… baserunning and defense are typically undervalued.
You need to be an above average offensive SS to really make the big bucks like Hanley, Tulo or Reyes.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's a good deal for Elvis because he'd get another swing at free agency before he turns 30.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Jon Daniels did a 40 minute interview on Ben & Skin yesterday.
Several of his thoughts were put in blog posts, but it’s still a good listen.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/dallas/play?id=7510300
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Olney on Hamilton
“Josh Hamilton and his representatives have “visions” of the huge free agent contracts landed by Fielder and Albert Pujols while the Rangers will aim for a much more conservative deal. Hamilton has said that he’ll talk about an extension up until Spring Training. He’s scheduled to become a free agent after 2012."
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/olneys-latest-cabrera-cardinals-hamilton.html
Chances are getting slimmer that Hammy will remain a Ranger after this season.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Well... BYE.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
C'mon Big Bob Simpson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
It's not going to happen.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Oh JW will never let the board forget it, if he doesn't sign an extension.
by lost in space on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Josey is the horseradish
on a perfectly good Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
He showed his cards.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Let's revisit his statement
How much faith do you have in the Rangers’ front office?
“I believe them and trust them. They’ve done a lot of work. But it goes back to the theory of are you in a sports organization to try to second-guess them. We don’t do that.
“You’re much better off getting real people that know what they’re doing rather than calling plays behind them. If you think you can improve your management personally as an owner, you need to get somebody else and not try to do it yourself.
That’s where I disagree with the owners that are so proactive and involved technically. It’s like, knock yourself out if that’s fun for you. That’s in hobby area. Here you get the very best people and support them. We were fortunate in that we had such superb staff when we bought the thing that we’re not reinventing anything."
Read more here: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/foul_territory/2012/01/transcript-from-media-scrum-with-rangers-owner-bob-simpson.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
From the man himself J Dubya. Yes he would love Josh on the team, but he will defer the intelligentsia assembled.
I sports hate you CJ.
I bet it was the fan in him talking...
Or the whiskey.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
God no.
Horrible decision to pay him like a player he won’t be.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
It's so funny....this place loves to beat their chest when it comes to extolling the
greatness of the Rangers (legitimately so, they’ve won the AL 2 years running) but when it actually comes to paying the players/pitchers that have done the heavy lifting, they start ripping their ass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
The ripping of the ass is what will happen
in about year 3 of that megadeal.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
by Atticus F on Jan 28, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not only Josh...it's Elvis, it's Napoli, it's Cobra, it's Kinz.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
You can just say it's "Guys on the wrong side of 30"
And it isn’t just about not wanting to keep them… it’s trying to avoid dead money by paying players after they fall off a cliff.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Also...
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say they don’t want to extend Elvis. Just that because he’s a Boras client they don’t think it will happen.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Its the circle of life.
Younger players tend to be more productive and less injury prone than older ones. Its that 23-27 year old demographic of players, remember?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
He just being argumentative
Even if we extended all those players, he would then bitch about how old the team is, and how we needed more players in the 24-28 year old range.
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 28, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
We do need more players (not pitchers, players) in the 24-28 age range.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's why we can't extend ALL of the 30+ guys for close to full FA value.
Some guys will have to go.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
All I heard were crickets when I asked for names on who would
replace Josh Hamilton and what the Rangers would use to acquire said mystery player.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
We'll trade some version of Edison Volquez.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Trade, Free Agent, Sudden Emergence of Minor Leaguer, dealing with PTBNL
What will we use? Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Now I see a sig
Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™ Jorge C 1/28/12
We'll let JD's staff of scouts figure that out
He’s done a nice job of putting an AL championship team together the last two years, no?
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 28, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's incredible when you look at his acquisition of talented players out of nowhere
Cruz, Hamilton, Napoli, and Colby… we’re talking about 42 WAR at the cost of:
CoCo, Mench, Nix, Volquez, FrankFrank, and $5M
Incredible.
But JD has only done a Pretty Good to Great job
just the last two years for This Thing
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 28, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
and in the back of my mind I keep asking
“Who is the big LH power bat JD is targeting?” Has to be somebody very close to the majors or maybe even 1-2 years service time. Blocked at his current postion. And his team needs pitching. Any ideas?
Fat Pedro
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Why does it need to be a LH power bat?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
wouldn't that be your preference
considering the ballpark and the RH heavy lineup? Or does David Murphy fill that role for you?
I don't think you want to box yourself in like that
I think you want to field the best possible team.
Saying, “Well, we need to replace Josh, and it needs to be a LH power bat” means that you are unnecessarily restricting your pool.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Ah yes.
And when some of these guys that have been “carrying the weight” are broken down old men of 30+, then the Olts and Profars will be ready to step in and fulfill your demographic requirements.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
No one wants to pay Josh Hamilton 20 million dollars a year for the next 5+ years
That doesn’t mean we’re ripping their ass. It means that no one wants to see the Texas Rangers pay Josh Hamilton 20 million dollars a year for the next 5+ years.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
We love Josh
Well, at least I do. It’s just that I don’t want the Rangers to sign him to a contract he’ll never be able to live up to. This is not ripping his ass.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Explanations are of no use.
JW will believe what he wants to believe.
by lost in space on Jan 28, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
And you think Yu Darvish is going to live up to a $ 110 million investment?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
He has much more chance than Hammy does
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We'll see about that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Hamilton is, and always will be, one of my favorite baseball players.
Wanting him to be signed at a reasonable price for future performance isn’t ripping him. It’s wanting to sign him at a reasonable price for future performance.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
by philkid3 on Jan 28, 2012 3:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I love you Josh, but come on.
The ABSOLUTE max I could imagine him getting would be something like 8/175, which is nothing close to Fielder or Pujols money.
I want Josh back more than most on here, but even I wouldn’t go over 6/112.5. And that assumes that Doctors have convinced me that his leg won’t fall off for good.
He’s averaged about 3/4 of a season each year since he’s been here, so I prorated $25 million based on that average (25 * 0.75 = 18.75).
Now that I look at it. I don’t think he would accept my offer. Oh well.
by blakethegr8 on Jan 28, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
My max has been 5/$80
If he signed a 6/$112.5 I would be nervous… but I wouldn’t hate it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
6/126
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
6 years / $ 110 million on a pitcher who has yet to record an out in The Show is cray.
6 years for Josh is fine.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
JoseyLogic™
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 28, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
6y/$110M on a young pitcher with big upside at least has a chance to work out.
For injury-prone guy with below average plate discipline on the wrong side of the 30s, not so much.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Career .366 OBP.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
And what does that prove?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey that is
great but it is very dependent upon his batting average which is scary. He does not walk much and that is not a skill a player suddenly develops overnight.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
This
Ichiro has a career OBP of something like .370. He doesn’t exactly have the best plate discipline. Same for guys like Guerrero.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
Again, he’s very similar to Vlad Guerrero. Good OBP driven by a high batting average, which is driven by an ability to make good contact despite having poor plate discipline.
Vlad was better than Hamilton is now, and he doesn’t have the injury history Hamilton does, but I expect Hamilton to age like Vlad.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah im checking all of the
players that are most similar to Hamilton according to B-Ref and the thing that all of those that had success past age 31 have in common with each other that they do not with Hamilton? They walked a lot respective to their era and league.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
We did this yesterday...the two most similar hitters to Josh (according to B-Ref)
hit very well into their late 30s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Except they aren't all that similar because they walked a lot
And Josh doesn’t.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Are you thinking of a different Rico Carty?
He walked more than 68 times in a season exactly once and played in The Show until he was 39.
At the age of 38, Carty put up an .850 OPS.
Rico Carty is listed as the second most similar hitter to Josh Hamilton.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Walk rates are pretty different.
Rico Carty’s career walk rate is 10.2%. If you remove IBB, it’s 9.1%
Hamilton’s career walk rate is 8.1%, if you remove IBB, it’s 6.8%
That’s very different. Hamilton’s never had a season where he had a 10% walk rate… Rico Carty did 7 times.
And Hamilton’s walk rate is trending down. Last three years it’s been 7.2% and 5.8% if you remove intentional walks.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why would you remove IBB's? Those count the last time I checked.
What walk rate becomes unacceptable?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
IBB isn't a function of discipline and being able to not swing at pitches out of the strike zone.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Are you really saying that...
…you don’t understand why you would remove IBBs when evaluating how selective a hitter is?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
No...but IBB's is a part of his game...he scares the living shit out of pitchers. When you get an IBB, you don't make an out.
Are you really saying that Josh can’t be very good hitter deep into his 30’s even though one of the most similar hitters to him was still a very good hitter until he was 38?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
And what happens to those IBBs when you age and stop
“scaring the living shit out of pitchers?”
by VM on Jan 28, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
x
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/guerrvl01.shtml
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I've never said he can't be a very good hitter deep into his 30's
I’ve said I think that’s pretty unlikely.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
LOL...okay.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
What's your biggest imaginable contract from "Mystery Team"?
by blakethegr8 on Jan 28, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
This really is a crucial question
If he spends another 40 days on the DL, I can’t see him banking like he wants to.
He needs to do what Reyes did, and even then—Reyes only received 6/102
I’ll be surprised if Hamilton gets a 6/130+ contract, but who knows. Hopefully he’ll put up another 8.5 WAR season and prove me wrong
Reyes sounds like a really good comp to me.
A player capable of producing as well as anyone offensively and capable of playing good defense at a premium position, but who has trouble staying on the field.
My sentence sucks, but hopefully yall know what I’m trying to say.
by blakethegr8 on Jan 28, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
It really depends on next year.
If he repeats 2011, missed 30 games has about a .900 OPS… then 7/$160 is the big money crazy contract I think.
If he stays healthy for a full year and has an MVP-ish season… 8/$200.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If JD waits until next year, it's too late.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 28, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
If he plays 155 games with a 1.000ish OPS
Someone will.
Did you think Fielder would get 9/$214?
It only takes one team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The dodgers right?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Absolutely.
And if magically the Mets get sold very quickly perhaps them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Colorado, maybe?
There’s only one baseball team with a full-time chaplain on the payroll. Only one whose team executives are known to hold prayer conferences over the phone. This season they even had a “Faith Day” for fans, featuring Christian bands and players professing their love of the Lord.They’re your Colorado Rockies: National League pennant winners, and World champs when it comes to mixing baseball and God.
A May 2006 story in USA Today first detailed the Christian imprint on the Rockies, whose 21-1 run on the way to the World Series brought a historic high to Colorado. “I don’t want to offend anyone,” Rockies chairman and CEO Charlie Monfort said at the time, “but I think character-wise we’re stronger than anyone in baseball. Christians, and what they’ve endured, are some of the strongest people in baseball. I believe God sends signs; we’re seeing those.”
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Can't imagine they can afford him
but stranger things have happened. And he might be more motivated to go there, I suppose.
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by Conjunction on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hamilton is a superstar
someone will pay him. he is the type of guy teams get to jump start a stalled fanbase
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 28, 2012 1:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Oakland, TampaBay and FL won't be signing him.
KC might depending on how 2012 goes. Balt and TOR are possible. I think a number of teams would give him 6yrs/$100M if he is reasonably healthy this year
by RangerMad on Jan 28, 2012 1:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I really think
that Baltimore or the Nationals will end up giving him a Crawford type deal.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
when does Helton come off the payroll?
they could use that money for Josh if they really wanted to, plus think of the crazy numbers he could put up there if healthy. big IF but like said above, who thought Prince would get 9 years with that frame
Nobody is perfect, i am nobody, therefore, i am perfect
Statistically, TBiA is a better HR park for LH hitters
Helton signed a 2 year, $10M extension for this year and next, so he isn’t expensive. (This is exactly the type of extension that I’m hoping MY will sign when his current one is through).
WTF is wrong with Denver
Do they really believe God is messing with their baseball and football teams?
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
Quit being a dickhead.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
A 40 yr old Josh is more like 48 yrs.
by lost in space on Jan 28, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
in dog years
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
Better question right now
is who’s the alternative? Is there a FA next year or a tradable guy who could potentially replace him?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I don't really see a big bat lefty available
That’s part of the reason why I wanted us to sign Fielder.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Need the Brewers to decide to trade Braun because they can't afford him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Signed to a long-term contract
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
More pressing
is the fact that we might lose both Hamilton and Napoli next year. Maybe we’ll swing a trade to take Joe Mauer’s contract off of the Twins hands.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
A few weeks ago..
I was pretty convinced that we’ll absolutely keep at least one of Fielder, Napoli or Hamilton past 2012.
They’ll pay for at least one of them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think
it depends on what Napoli does. I’m not sure I’m all that more comfortable giving Napoli a 4 yr deal than I am giving Hamilton a 6 or 7 yr deal.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Im still
dreaming of Andrew McCutchen however the “dramatic overpay” comment from a week or so ago quickly eliminates that dream
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not really.
He’s out of his mind if he thinks he’s getting anywhere near that.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Nadel
I went to the YMCA a few weeks back, heard a musician talking from the echoey hot tub, said they’d just played the Kessler.
I was like, interesting…, so, well, into the hot tub.
He went on to say it was a good show, good venue. I talked about New York.
He went on to say the band was playing the Rangers announcer’s house. I was like, Eric Nadel!
He said the guy was supercool. If memory serves, the band was even staying with him. Said he’s a huge music booster. I’d say so, considering he’s hosting shows out of his home.
Definitely added a dimension to my knowledge of the radio voice.
Later I asked my sister if I should have invited myself, she’s like “no, dumbass.”
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 28, 2012 11:46 AM CST reply actions
Did you see this?
a Q&A with Eric Nadel.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/01/eric-nadel-on-park-fundraising.html
Talks about promoting some local musicians
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
MY
Michael Young talks ESPN’s game changes
Get managers out of uniforms
Young: “I kind of like it this way. If Lou Piniella wore a suit, he’d have been less likely to freak out. And players love freak-outs. We love it when a manager loses it.”
I also like his idea on doubleheaders though I wouldn’t want 2 per month.
Why would the managers not wear uniforms?
should I read the article? I don’t wanna.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
ok, i'll read it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
this quote
Young: “I don’t like the idea of loading up to 40 players. That’s insane. It’s too much. I like the idea of expanding rosters, but it should be limited to 30, something like that. I think young players gain a lot from that September experience. But we can’t be fielding football teams.”
Do any teams load up their rosters to the full 40 ever?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Pretty entertaining
MY like a regular person and making a funny.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 28, 2012 6:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
on XM Radio yesterday, Jim Bowden and Casey Stern...
Profar is “going to be an absolute superstar” and a “game changer”….thought that was kinda neat..
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
I bleed Ranger black and blue.
Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
Goldstein has said, on the podcast, he expects him to be a superstar
Brought up the Barry Larkin comp, and asked if he was not a superstar
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
holding you to it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That was Parks "negative"
The only thing he could come up with was MAYBE he’ll get frustrated if he doesn’t succeed.
Profar is going to be fantastic.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It was like, "He's not familiar with failure so we don't know how he'll react when he hits a bump" right?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes...
In an article specifically focused on “What could go wrong”
Not what will go wrong… but what could.
If that’s what you’re reaching for on a “could go wrong” list… that’s awesome.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Seriously
At his age and the stage of development too.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I will be more than satisfied
If he develops into a solid regular. Though we can all dream right?
#NextBarryLarkin
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here's the thing
How many current MLB players fall in the category of “absolute superstar”/“game changer”?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone has different definitions
but I’d say it’s something like the 15 best position players, 10 best pitchers.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
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by Conjunction on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
At 15
You’re starting to include guys like Zobrist, A-Gon, Teixeira, etc., that I think are no-doubt All-Stars, but I’d hardly label game changers.
This is all subjective, obviously
Hmm. Going through it, I might agree with Adam
Here are the guys I would consider no-doubt, elite position players.
Kemp
Bautista
Pedroia
Braun
Cabrera
Votto
AGon
Tulowitzki
Longoria
Pujols
It’s easy to come up with another five who could be counted, though.
Ellsbury — possibly best player in baseball last year. Needs larger track record.
Granderson — Again, inconsistent. But fantastic.
Upton — great, and incredibly young — likely to sustain if not improve.
Reyes — phenomenal when healthy
Hamilton — Same problem as Reyes
McCutchen — On the cusp and very young.
Kinsler — How much do you buy the defense and baserunning numbers?
Fielder — How much do you buy the defense and baserunning numbers?
Etc etc
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest" --South Korean Rangers fan
Sports Producer, WFAA-TV/WFAA.com. Lover of feedback.
Well put on Fielder and Kinser--polar opposites in that regard
I should have included Pedroia, but I didn’t want to.
Kemp, Hamilton, Granderson, and Ellsbury’s WAR’s jump all around—- I don’t see that as belonging in the same category as Pujols or Longoria
Kemp is entering his prime, and while his .380 BABIP last year was nuts, his career mark is .350, so I think he’s pretty safe to include int he elite category.
I call an ace
A pitcher who can put up 5.5 WAR year after year.
I would call a superstar position player someone who can put up 7.0 WAR year after.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Kate. A proven LSB game changer.
Upton —great, and incredibly young —likely to sustain if not improve.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
by Atticus F on Jan 28, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Superstar isn't about the numbers, it is about the hype
guys like Fielder and Hamilton are far more “superstars” than a guy like Pedroia or Braun or Bautista.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Not Pedroia.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I don't know about that...Braun is pretty special.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Sure
especially when he’s juicing.
An opposing ballpark doesn’t quite stand still when he’s up as the tying run though. Or maybe it does and I just don’t know it
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
I don't see the Brewers often but whenever they were on television, he's an immediate stopdown for me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Oooh. The semantics game. That one's fun.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 28, 2012 6:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would say less than 10
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My arbitrary list of position players
Pujols, Cabrera, Bautista, Longoria, Utley (not so long ago), and pre-injury Mauer
X
Kemp, Tulo, Votto, Ellsbury, Josh (for this year, he’s a game changer), Prince, JReyes
You could
Probably include Cano, JUpton on the current list, and I bet before the season is over Stanton and Hosmer are here as well
not high on hosmer
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 28, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Love Hosmer.
Hosmer’s going to be a stud.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
IMO
He’s an MVP candidate sooner rather than later
Totally agree
the year that he put up last year as a 21yo was very good considering he didnt show the patience that he did all throughout the minors. I think that his walk rate will increase this year because he will have a year under his belt. Additionally, if im not mistaken with his BABIP at .314 he wasnt all that lucky either correct?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
That's normal I believe
He’s going to be awesome
I think if you include Prince, you have to include a lot of other players
And Ellsbury and Kemp were game changers last season, but I’d want to see them do it for a few more seasons before they receive the label.
Josh is too inconsistent.
Reyes and Tulo are good ones, but they are injury prone—not sure if that should count or not.
I think you and I are on the same page for this
I think one needs to show elite performance at crucial moments consistantly for a period of time before he can claim himself to be a game changer. According to my definition, I see around or less than 10 of those in the game.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 28, 2012 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think superstar and game changer have two different meanings
at least to me
by RangerMad on Jan 28, 2012 1:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
hell, Jeter is probably still considered a superstar
that’s all about media and fan perception than anything
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 28, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
So what does LSB think about Colby Rasmus these days?
I know lots of folks were pretty high on him a year or 2 ago.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'm not interested
He might be a good buy-low value trade, if the scouts still like him… he seems like a punk though
Surprised nobody has commented on the creepy fucking picture
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
I'm surprised nobody commented about the columnist's creepy lack of taste in posting that picture.
The picture says more about Adam J. Morris than it does about any subject in the picture.
Basically this columnist is trying to sucker people into taking shots at the subject(s) in the picture.
You can make anybody look ridiculous using any assortment of “stills”.
Again, it speaks to the lack of class of one Adam J. Morris.
You must be new here.
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