Sunday morning Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 29, 2012 10:41 AM CST
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PrintQuiet Sunday.
Richard Durrett writes that Matt Harrison's is aiming at building on last season's success.
Gerry Fraley says the Rangers are supposed to meet with Roy Oswalt on Monday, assuming he's still a free agent then.
The S-T has some notes on the Ian Kinsler contract situation, Matt Harrison focusing on the rotation, and the signing of Kyle Hudson.
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And quit talking about Oswalt for God's sake
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
pluS
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I've always wanted to see an article
where an athlete is looking to decline from last year and be in the worst shape of his life.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
I've gotta go on record with this...
I will rage if Harrison is moved to the bullpen….he’s earned his spot to start the year…and I really don’t trust him in the bullpen, he makes me nervous.
Ok, I feel better now.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely agree.
Harry probably has the lowest ceiling of those in the roto, but he also has the lowest variance. Guys who can eat 185 innings with ERA in the 3s has no business as a LOOGY.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I disagree with you.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
As do I, but I also disagree with Bface
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Harry has the kind of fastball not many lefties bring to the table.
I don’t see him becoming an ace any time soon, but he could be a very good starter in this leage for many years. Plus he has a sweet beard.
I'm in complete agreement
The guy’s done more to deserve a rotation spot than Ogando or Feliz. He isn’t sexy but he’s pretty effective.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oswalt
I have read so many takes on this over the last few weeks. I didn’t want him. I still don’t really. But. It seems like we should prepare ourselves for his arrival. Maybe he’s trade bait in July. Maybe he saves our ass because two injuries spark-up in March? Is there a bright side? I hope so.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
If you sign him
it won’t be to trade him in July. If he’s pitching well you want him around to help you win the division, if he’s not, no one will want him.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I don't even think we need him for possible injuries
Unless it’s a major injury that takes someone out half the year.. I’d be fine with Feldman or you could even bring Ogando back and I’d be fine with the bullpen where it is.
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What does this mean?
the Texas Rangers extended their rights agreement with Fox Sports Southwest, reportedly for $1.6 billion over 20 years and an ownership stake in the network.
First time I’ve seen that the Rangers have an ownership stake in the network….anyone else?
Also, we see the 1.6 bb # again…I wonder if Maury is saying it’s 3bb b/c of the ownership stake.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
This was talked about at length earlier this week.
I believe it was confirmed the the Rangers received a stake in the network – although the size of the stake is unconfirmed (although I’m guessing Yu and Nolan could sit down and figure it out).
As far as the 1.6BB, who knows. Lots of theories out there.
well, screw me.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nah, I've seen that several times
and AJM’s speculated the 3B is an estimate based on future valuations of the payout. (1.6B in present money, 3B in 20 years)
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by Conjunction on Jan 29, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Right
The guess is $3B includes the future value of the ownership stake. NESN and YES seem to do well for their teams so this is a step in that direction.
On that point, I presume the ownership interest doesn’t end at the end of the 20 year contract so the long term benefits could be more than $3B.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My understanding was that the $3B did not include the value of the ownership stake. If it is the case that people have been using the $1.6B as the PV of the future payouts, that seems legitimately misleading.
You don’t see any other form of contract being reported as the PV sum of its future annuities.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
$1.6B is the contract price. $3B is likely the estimated total value of the 20 year contract.
Whether the $1.4B is present value of future earnings or just the actual estimated future earnings I don’t think we know. But time value of money can be easily calculated.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There hasn't been a verified contract amount, has there? Just speculation
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
The unknown contract terms are the reason for all of the confusion, we don't know whether its 1.6B or 3B.
Of course it is easy to calculate time value of money; my point is that if this is a 20 year/ $3B contract, it should be reported as such, not discounted to 2012 dollars.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
From Forbes 1/9/2012
The Texas Rangers, who signed a 20-year deal with Fox Sports Southwest in 2010 that begins in 2015 and is worth $3 billion, was the first MLB team to get an ownership stake in an RSN
Also mentions that the Angels got the same exact deal:
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Sorry copycats
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
position measures
what principle measures for baserunning and position defense are worth noting besides
total zone and plus minus. Are there any other baserunning measures besides the one used by fangraphs?
Also, are there any rough attemps to measure (that most difficult of profiles) “catchability” that have proved useful over the last few years, useful attempts at an appraisal like plus/minus?
I have no idea if this is what you're looking for...
but it’s real long and has big words and stuff…
IF it does nothing for you, disregard.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/quantifying-catcher-defense-and-other-stuff-like-that/
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
wait...that's old...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Catching is very hard to quantify just by #s
The four biggest variables that make it hard to correctly the position.
(1) The Pitching staff may be full guys who throw a high % of breaking balls in the dirt.
(2) A pitcher (or two) on the staff may be VERY EASY to steal on.
(3) A catchers reputation for having a cannon can prevent people from running.
(4) A catcher may play in a division that has an inordinate number speedsters than other divisions.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
outliers
they don’t invalidate the attempt to conceptualize “catchability” when looking at the universe of catchers. I’m interested in the attempts to do so.
Beyond the Boxscore
has posted a few noble efforts at quantifying catcher defense over the last couple of years. Seems like The Hardball Times has had an article or two over the last season-plus as well.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
yeah
those are the only couple that I’m aware of. Just wanted to see if there has been any other work that I missed.
There was an article primarily on the effect of catcher's framing and getting extra strikes called for the pitcher
I think he concluded something like the best catcher at “framing” are worth 2-3 wins on that skill alone over the uninitiated Doumits.
if memory serves me right
BtB analysis relied heavily on boxscore data. I don’t recall seeing “# of pitches blocked with runner on 3B” in the boxscore
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 2:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
These TV deal #s have to be BS...
I don’t have a TV or Sports management b.g., but in ANY business, it makes ZERO sense that two business entities would lock themselves into a fixed revenue deal that lasts 20 years. 15 years from now, the Rangers could be a regional juggernaut bringing in HUGE ratings from El Paso to New Orleans, or we could be a pale shadow to the mighty Houston Astros while the Rangers don’t have any viewers farther south than Waxahachie.
Somehow, someway, there are TV viewership triggers that can lower or raise the Ranger’s revenue. My guess is, the $3 Billion is just an estimate the two sides agreed to. Fox has every incentive to make the deal look huge to boost their stock, but the Rangers don’t really have much reason to be open about it, as it does no good to let the competition know what your revenues (and thus payroll #s) will likely be in the future.
I doubt the CIA or the NSA could figure out the Rangers Financial arrangements, but Fox News Corp. is a public corporation. A well-versed stock analyst ought ot be able to get to the bottom of this by digging through the Annual Report.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
Wait
Fox has every incentive to make the deal look huge to boost their stock,
Stock prices aren’t enhanced by a company paying MORE for something than they need to.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 29, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thoeretically
The fact they’re paying more infers that they’re expecting greater revenue growth in the future. If Fox said the Rangers would be getting less $, the inference would be revenues are not expected to rise much.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
infer != imply
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The investors and analysts would have to be stupid
It doesn’t take much to, as an analyst, compare deals made in other markets to the Rangers deal. Overpaying significantly would hurt the credibility of management and the value of the stock.
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I don't agree
Teams have territorial rights and a ratings history within that area. It is not like the Rangers are the only ones to get a deal like this
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 1:10 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Because you know the situation better than Maury Brown, right?
These TV deal #s have to be BS…
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Lotsa things that are wrong here. For one it is not a fixed revenue deal
The Rangers obtained an ownership interest in the RSN. As such if it makes a ton of money off the Rangers the Rangers make a commensurate amount. $3B includes an estimate of the value of the ownership interest.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 2:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
20 years is a LONG time
There could be a strike that sours fans for years, the Rangers could get bought by a shark who bleeds the team dry. Predicitng TV revenues 20 years out is pure hocum.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
Maury Brown needs sources
And thus, he’s not incline to burn a source.
I don’t have or need sources, and I know, regardless of the business, prediciting market values on a product 20 years out is complete guestimation. Older viewers tend to die, and the up and coming viewers are tech savy and might watch the games in differnet ways, MLB.TV, pirated satelite feeds on the internet,etc. Nobody knows what the TV market (or baseball, or the Rangers) will look like 10 years out, let alone 20.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
what you are saying is that
you think the execs at FSSW are idiots.
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 1:34 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think most of the present-day execs at FSSW don't give a shit what that deal looks like in 10-15 years.
Jim Leyland said it this past week about signing PF…“I’m 67 years old. I don’t care about the last few years of his contract.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It wouldn't, of course.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Why is 6/50 a bat-shit crazy extension offer to Elvis?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
From the conversation yesterday
His three arb years and first 3 FA years. He’d be a free agent after his age 28 season.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Gives Elvis another kick at free agency while still in his prime.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
How much additional money are they realistically giving Elvis?
As in, how much should we expect the Rangers pay him in arb over the next 3 years and how much is the “extension” portion of it?
I'm just guessing but I'd think Elvis gets ~$20MM over the next 3 years.
So his extension portion would be roughly $10MM/year. Is that unreasonable? I don’t think so.
I think that's a little high
Probably more like $18 million.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 29, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I had it in yesterday's thread.
I predicted (going from memory, may not be exactly the same):
2012: $3.2
2013: $4.9
2014: $6.6
And then I predicted a 7 / $91M contract for him in free agency as long as his power and average numbers don’t take another step. Speed and defense doesn’t get the big bucks like dingers does.
So like $53M over the next 6 years.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes. Very little discount.
But… if you think there’s any chance of his offense improving you’d have to strongly consider it.
Because if he developed any power or offense that number would go up a bunch.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't see much of a reason to believe he'll develop much offensively
At least not enough to expect him to be much more than a $12MM player.
I wouldn’t be bent out of shape at that contract though. Even if doesn’t improve dramatically from what he is now it wouldn’t be much of an over-payment (if at all). I’d applaud the move.
$12M per year
for a AS SS in his prime is not bad. Unless your agent is Scott Boras.
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 3:02 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
wondering
Elvis’ value is mainly in his defense. Is extending EA at $12M/yr worth it if a cheaper player with comparable D can be found for less $?
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 3:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think people of Elvis' production are available on the open market
Those that have his defensive abilities are no where near his offensive capabilities and even further from his potential.
Starting in 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You're being really dumb. "present day execs at FSW don't give a shit what that deal looks like in 10-15 years"
Yes. Actually they do. Couple big reasons. If they enter into a contract that will destroy the company in 20 years it devalues the company today. Relatedly those execs/board have a fiduciary obligation to shareholders today and in the future.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 3:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
K, thanks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Josey what should we argue about today?
It’s been several hours and I’d hate for Goyo and AceJC to not have something to entertain them.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If only I had made a script...
With both a hide button and the ability to auto hide comments.
Or if only there were other sites on the internet.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If I bitched about how bad it was as much as you fought incessantly with him
then I could see how I could be such a beating.
But I don’t.
And you do.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Plus I'm convinced you have a second program installed with the TrollScript
and I don’t want you knowing what pornos I like to watch.
: )
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Source code is published... can't install a userscript without it.
And if you complained about ANYONE else as often as you complain about me… I wouldn’t feel like you were targeting me specifically which is entirely unfair.
KOK goes out of his way not just to argue… but to FIGHT with Josey. Threaten violence and get pissed off. Aqua does as well to a certain degree just for the opportunity to troll each other.
Gdawg, Heebs, bigsteve and Adam all engage fairly frequently as well.
All I do is talk baseball. It may be repetitive… but ultimately that’s all it is. Baseball talk.
I think I argue with Jobu almost as much.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Moar moar moar!!!!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Heh.
Another member of the fun bunch.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Moarrrrrr!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yours is more the quantity that I get bothered by, but I'm as about as easy going as anyone on here, so I don't think I make a big deal about it.
I’ve said something once about kok being a beating, I think, but his is less often but more serious, you have that right.
I really only say anything after getting trolled like your original comment that started this whole subthread, so really, it’s more that you are the cause of me saying anything about it. Laissez faire is my motto with dealing with most of you crazies on here. So I try not to really call anyone out and usually joke around with those I do.
I’m sorry you think I’m picking on you, but I’m not.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Well if anyone here gets credit for quantity it is match
Or Aqua. The volume of comments they put on this board makes it likely that they would have a high volume interaction with Josey as well.
And Vast Segments can bitch as much as they want about the discussions
that Stick and myself have but have you ever seen it get really ugly?
Neither us say “fuck off” or threaten to kick each other’s ass. We don’t put up cute little pics that sends the lowest common denominator (the same people who laugh at Galagher smashing watermelons) to delirium.
We just kick around the Great Game…if you don’t like it, bring something better to the discussion.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Thanks for calling me out.
I don’t comment much on this board any more. I don’t think I qualify as much of a regular any more. Do I?
Heh.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with any of those I mentioned. KOK, Aqua, you, Gdawg, bigsteve, Jobu and JDT217 are all fine posters that I’m glad are here.
That wasn’t meant to call you out as to point out other posters that are part of what makes LSB a great place do the same thing.
I don’t think arguing with Josey is the end of the world. Especially since most of the serious meltdowns of people getting really vicious has been curtailed.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't engage the twit at all anymore. Haven't for several weeks.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
NON! Curacao!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
No. I live in Santa Fe, NM and I'm a lawyer.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You read everything I post in here.
Everything.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Don't bring me into this.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Where can I find this script?
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
x
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/2/26/2017875/beta-troll-script-3-0-now-with-comment-hiding-action
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The best part
It’s like the person was never there. Even the responses are gone. Genius!!!
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
The hide button is handy too.
If there’s just a branch of a thread you want to prune.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Angrydome gonna angrydome.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think more than anything good people are being driven away.
I feel myself significantly less inclined to participate in morning threads these days. I know other people feel the same way or have left completely (see Cahill). It disappoints me because Adam is in my opinion the best Rangers blogger out there and there are some very good smart people that comment on this board.
Whatever floats your boat.
This is starting to remind me of the early Lone Star Ball Radio advertising campaign, though.
Or maybe you and AJM are just feeling like your readership’s too large?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Perhaps this is part of the misconception...
This is AJM’s site. I’m just someone who comes here and talks a lot and enjoys making the occasional article about baseball.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think that identifies any misconceptions.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I don't know what the Lone Star Ball Radio advertising history is, before my time...
But putting me in the same category as Adam is not accurate. This is Adam’s site completely… I’m just a supplement that presents him with ideas and gets approval to publish.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not putting you in the same category as AJM.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
So what does this mean:
Or maybe you and AJM are just feeling like your readership’s too large?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It means I am less likely to both read LSB in general,
and your content in particular, with this going on.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I like to be relatively reasonable here...
I try not to completely lose my mind get angry… but I do blow off steam on occasion. I don’t really want anyone to not feel welcome at LSB that’s a Rangers fan. Or a baseball fan in generally if they aren’t here to troll Rangers fans.
But I do not view this as a job… I view at as a fun hobby.
And I will react here in ways that I cannot and would not in my professional or personal life… as do most people. It’s a common aspect of the internet.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think I've questioned any of that.
That doesn’t change what I meant, or whether it’s true for me.
I view LSB mainly as a social outlet. I’ve made some real-life friends here. It’s easy enough for me to choose to spend my time in other ways, if I stop enjoying it as much, but I’d miss it. There seem to be others who feel the same way. You may not care about that at all, and that’s your call.
Regardless, I do think you’re fooling yourself if you downplay how much you’re seen as an official part of LSB, now. The hullaballoo around AJM announcing a new writer should’ve been an indicator…
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I drove Cahill away?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If you did, we should all probably thank you for that
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
I didn't...Cahill was here, what, 10 days ago explaining why he left
but it’s very convenient to blame it on Josey.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Are you concerned that Match is driving people away?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Not really concerned, no -- I'm mostly being selfish and snarky.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Me too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I know.
You version is drawing a lot more of a reaction, though.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I don't know.
I’m trying to figure out what people are complaining about here.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Stix and Wails
are indissoluble, the happy (abusive) couple: Wail’s voluble top to Stix’s ever sensible bottom.
That's an image I could've lived without, Goyo...
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Apologies.
that’s two I’ve scarred you with in short order.
And yet you've been far more abusive to me than Josey ever has.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You know how this is going to go now don't you?
I warned you.
How this is going to go?
You’ll prattle on with airs as though you were blessed with inner knowledge and wit.
I’ll remind you that you’re an asshole.
Rinse, repeat.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
But so it is clear...
I find your baseball discussions to be thoughtful and interesting. You have significant knowledge about the sport and specifically the Rangers system.
We’ve disagreed on baseball points before… Ogando’s mechanics not being conducive to starting and Mitch Moreland’s ability to hit ML level left handed pitching come to mind…
And when you engage in arguments you tend to do so with maximum condescension to deride who you’re arguing with…
But I’m standing in front of a glass house in that regard so I’ll not lob stones with any real intent.
I look forward to more baseball discussions with you because you’re good at it.
But you want to be a dick to me and I’ll point and say, “Quit being a dick to me. Let’s talk about baseball.”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Kudos
This is the best Chomsky imitation I’ve ever seen, I mean like, ever! What with the sonorous monotone, the machine-like precision, the cold-as-steel reasoning from axiom to axiom, I fell asleep mid-work (a common symptom from Chomsky prose). Of course, when I awoke, I was please to find that there was still yet more to read (there always is from you guys). I have to say that You and Noam subsist in the closed circle as if you were born to it. Alas, we know that can’t be true, being born to it and all, but ignore the detractors for now. You and Noam are the first and only automatons I have personally interacted with who’ve passed the Turing test: you just barely pass as sentient! The list of failures vast, the accomplishment a mountain peak, Unplug yourself this day, and take leave for the week!
graceful prose
overtones of Herman Cain, both weirdly atavistic and faux-populist?
I’m gonna take a flier here and sketch out a Stix profile. I mean, after all, for someone who is so LSB omnipresent – 15 hours, 300 posts a day, 7 days a week- we deserve to know a little more about our “author in residence”: home-schooled, hate “big government”, love America, college drop out, small rural parcel, love of guns and code and unfettered speech (a bloggy anarchist, for now), a express manifesto in which you express your love of the work that hollow points do on viscera?
Juxtaposed as it is with an awkward, relentless earnestness and a discomfiting autonomic rationalism, this image iis truly creepy. Are you a creepy guy, Stix? Now, just so it is clear, and In hopes that we don’t have here on this very blog an obverse Kasczinsky (pro-tech/anti-gov), let us all down easy, and cop to the ASD.
I thought there was much more alliteration promised.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I worked a rhyme in though
Patience.
Do you ever find
that you feel a little awkward around people? Tic.
Have trouble picking up on subtle social cues? Tic.
Do you feel that you must complete each and every taks or the center will not hold? Tic.
Feel a little social anxiety when engaging in conversations with others? Tic.
Do you feel you are the most earnest person room? Tic.
So you feel a compulsion to complete the circle? Tic.
Do you find that you have to perform a task the same way each and every time or you feel inadequate? Tic.
What’s your pharmacy #?
So... you want to know if I've been diagnosed with a medical disorder?
And then make fun of me about it?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You tell me...
Did Bartleby just need Prozac?
I would prefer not to.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Is this the Asperger's or OCD questionnaire?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You never told me walk rate (%) is unacceptable.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
"...never told me what walk rate is unacceptable."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
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BNightengale Bob Nightengale
Bud Selig says playoff expansion is "definite in his mind,‘’ in 2012; #MLB players union says, "Not so fast.’’ usat.ly/AuAqo6
good.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Not necessarily
The union might use this leverage to decrease spending/flexability in the draft/LA even more somehow.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't want more spots
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rage. Rage. Rage.
But do you think that’s legit?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The same guy...
Had Odor as our 5th best prospect… and Luis Sardinas ahead of Mike Olt in the top ten.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
a couple of people called him out on bell v. taillon
but got shouted down
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Bell supposedly would have gone 10-15 in the draft this year if not for bonus demands
I have a hard time putting him in front of Taillon.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 29, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Taillon seems to have done nothing to diminish his status as a high draft pick
I know he was a Top 10 pick a while ago. It is weird to see a guy younger and less experienced jump ahead of him.
Although as a throw away comment I don’t think Top 10 in one draft automatically makes that person better than Top 15 in a different draft. Not all drafts are equal.
Taillon was the #2 overall pick in 2010
Mayo had him in the top 10 in all of MLB. BA had him at #9 in their mid-season rankings.
Having Bell over Taillon is pretty idiosyncratic.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
It's taking TINSTAAPP to ridiculous levels.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
So it doesn't make sense at all.
I
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Is it possible he has personally scouted both?
And gave a higher grade to Bell? I’m not trying to argue on his side; I’m just curious of his reasoning.
I don't think scouting is part of Hulet's approach.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He's like Sickels
but without the affable personality and contacts
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Basically reflecting the risk of pitchers in general, especially ones years off from the majors.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Seems pretty foolish to me.
Considering establishing major league talent is routinely traded for high-upside pitching talent. That suggests that pitching potential has value, potentially great value, to major league ball clubs.
Why would talent evaluators ignore routine major league practice?
Not sure anyone actually believes there is NO such thing as a pitching prospect.
Some evaluators just give more credence to the risk than others.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
To draw a parallel...
Low probability investments typically have the highest potential payoffs, to compensate for their risk. High probability investments typically have the lowest potential payoffs, since they carry less risk.
A GOOG option carries a high price, even though it has a low probability of payoff.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I guess that answers my question...
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
at least he's stopped with the WAR guesses
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
I'm gonna guess again, without reading it: Marc Hulet?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Winner!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
At this point, I sort of assume that his prospect rankings are intended purely for page views,
and basically serve no larger purpose.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
After Ogando, I'm just waiting for the day the Rangers turn a no-hit, rag-arm CFer into
the next Jamie Moyer.
That’s the type of interesting thing I’ve become accustomed to with this org.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
No
That would be Hawpe
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How about just promoting Matt West?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
hmm. How about Will Lamb as the final lefty in the pen.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Matt West is my favorite Rangers player ever
Gay For Feliz becomes matchst1cks favorite poster and best friend
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 3:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
had one of those nerd baseball dreams
Darvish’s first start will be: 4 IP | 1 H | 0 R | 0 BB | 12 K
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Why is he pulled after 4 innings?
Or is that just the first four?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's all I remember
The morning wood had some context at least
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
I also remember the hit was a home run by roger clemens
kind of a wrinkle in the plan
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
dunno what's going on with the 0 R
some black magic is afoot
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Disallowed because of the 'roids.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They wanted to try and make the game fair.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Why did he get pulled?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Figure he woke up TO pull
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 29, 2012 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rangers should sign him
JimBowdenESPNxm
Source: Cardinals continue to work on a deal with Orioles which would result in enough payroll flexibility to sign Roy Oswalt…stay tuned
Because fuck the Cardinals that’s why.
wait, something is not right
Oswalt is not a former Ranger… yet.
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 3:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
They're trying to trade Kyle McClellan to the Orioles
To free up payroll to sign Oswalt.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
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JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Source: Cardinals continue to work on a deal with Orioles which would result in enough payroll flexibility to sign Roy Oswalt…stay tuned
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jonmorosi Jon Morosi
#STLCards discussed deals with Oswalt in $7.5M range. Roy wants $10M. Hence desire to move McClellan. He makes – you guessed it – $2.5M.
Do not want.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
unless the Rangers are willing to offer $11M
by RangerMad on Jan 29, 2012 5:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Woah!
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Épée
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 5:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My iPhone changed "Wow" to that
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 5:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heh
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 29, 2012 6:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dammit.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dang this Peyton stuff scares me
Too close to home, and all that…
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
His neck injury
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
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