Monday Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 30, 2012 8:01 AM CST
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PrintToday Roy Oswalt will be out to impress Nolan Ryan with the size of steak he can eat.
Jeff Wilson writes about Oswalt meeting with the Rangers today and the questions Roy must answer before the Rangers would seriously consider signing him. Question No. 1 should be: "What do you have against Matt Harrison?"
Bob Nightengale has a report on the expanded playoff saga. Bud Selig is pretty adamant that the new playoff system will begin this season while the players association is growing concerned that scheduling issues might push it back until 2013. If only they would scrap this entire idea altogether.
Drew Davison gives us his five biggest winners and losers of the baseball off season.
Ken Rosenthal writes about the "Super Six" teams of the American League. Interestingly, he thinks the Angel's strength is their offensive depth.
Here's a segment of a DMN paywall'd Tim Cowlishaw article where he explains why the Tigers are now the team to beat in the American League.
Finally, Richard Durrett continues his positional outlook with a look at left field. This means he writes about Josh Hamilton with a dash of David Murphy.
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Maybe it's early ...
but this can’t be right:
“Why do you have against Matt Harrison?”
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
All your base are belong to us
by mh420800 on Jan 30, 2012 8:46 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
yeah I was like wth
Was bout to make an AJM joke, as a bro, but then noticed this was goat.. heh.
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GFF esque
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dodgers may go for 1.7 billion?
That’s a lotta pennies.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 30, 2012 8:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions
How much profit is that for McCort?
$1 billion? Has to give $300 million to his wife then, so $700 million to himself?
Dunno.
Wasn’t he leveraged up to his eyeballs?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Gotcha.
Still, $1.7B seems high, doesn’t it? That’s quite a bit more than the Cubs went for…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
god thats a ton
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Ok, so here is the breakdown...
$570 in debt
$200 capitol gains tax bill after sale
$130 to wife as part of settlement
$900 million he owes if he sells, the rest after that is profit.
Wait.
What’s that last part? How is that different than debt?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying he owes all that with a sale of the team, but assuming he sells for...
$1.5 billion…
$600 million in debt/tax assumption…
$700 million in cash…
$200 million in new tv deal…
Thus, he gets $700 million-ish in cash… I think.
Ahhh, k.
Man, seems so slimy.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
No, wait... I forgot his wifes claims...
$1.5 billion in total value of sale…
MINUS $575 million in debt
MINUS $200 million in sales tax
MINUS $200 million in new TV deal for new owner
MINUS $130 million to wife in divorce settlement
Thus, roughly a $395 million cash payout to McCort after he settles everything he owes to team/govt./ex wife.
Still a nice deal, getting paid $400 million to not own a debt ridden asset. And, he reportedly is going to hold onto the parking lots around the stadium, which is probably worth more than $10 million a year.
Bob Nightengale thinks it'll go for a little over 1.7...
I’ve seen 1.5-1.7
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Seems way too high to me.
Unless the revenue generating pieces that were spun-off such as ticket sales and parking are included in the mix, that number is just down right silly IMO.
by macromorgan on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Please don't sign Oswalt
WTF are the Cardinals doing?? Sign the man already.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions
Trying to clear salary space, but O's won't enable them.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
Have the Cards made an official offer?
I wonder if they are waiting for the Rangers to give a definite “NO” so they can offer Oswalt a little less than originally planned. Leverage.
My bad.
Kenrys Morales
if he is good to go this year it greatly improves the Angels’ options, though like the Tigers they have to figure out where all these guys are going play. But even with a healthy Morales that lineup just isn’t that scary and nowhere near as good as their rotation.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
He hasn't played in a while.
I’m not all that concerned about him because it seems likely he’ll have to knock the rust off which will take time.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
He might break his wrist while dusting himself off
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
The part of me that doesn't celebrate or make light other team's injuries didn't want to find that funny.
The part of me that actually has a sense of humor found it really funny anyways.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
In his defense he was just celebrating a walk off like every other player would.
Who was the pitcher that went on the DL because he strained his wrist playing Guitar Hero? Now that guy was an idiot.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
That was Joel Zumaya
Here are some lame injuries that the MLB players were afflicted with.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/Dumbest-injuries-in-MLB-history-030911#photo-title=John%20Smoltz&photo=11242818
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Jesus Nolan used to wrestle coyotes in the offseason?
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
by TargetField on Jan 30, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
What do you mean used to
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I've always liked Morales' potential
It’d be fun if he was the guy that couldn’t crack their DH/1B heavy lineup and JD could find a way to scoop him up for next year.
A patient, powerful lefty bat for our lineup would be nice.
Speaking on new playoff systems
I have an idea…several to make baseball way better:
1) Install DH in both leagues (nobody cares about pitchers batting; it’s dumb)
2) Contract 2 teams (maybe the Red Sox and the Mets) leaving 14 teams in each league, which means
3) No interleague play! (Bring back the magic of the all-star game with no season interleague play!)
4) Set up 2 7-team divisions in each league.
5) Playoffs are 4 teams from each league, two division winners, two runners-up.
6) Have the guy that designed the new Marlins’ ballpark Lisa Frank piece do pieces for every ballpark.
This new wild-card is beyond stupid. So is interleague play. I want my baseball old-school again!
by Apes and Androids on Jan 30, 2012 8:10 AM CST reply actions
don't even talk about contraction
add two teams; one in North Carolina and the other in Albuquerque :)
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
How do you feel about San Antonio and Portland?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
That'd be awesome.
I like the idea of 32 teams, but keep the playoffs at 4 for each league. That’d put the emphasis more on dynasty-building rather than the “just get into the playoffs” mindset we see in the NBA.
by Apes and Androids on Jan 30, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
That sounds like a lot.
Both of those places have been listed as possibilities, but not the most likely, unfortunately.
Portland didn’t support the Mariners’ minor league team that was there, I believe.
SA has questions about whether or not is has the corporate support necessary to be a successful franchise.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
at least SA has the population
Portland has neither a corporate base the population or the culture to support a team. in SA they could play in the Cabana Bowl
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 9:29 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Now playing the Texas Rangers.... YOURRRRRRRR HEB HERMANOS!!!!
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
And Portland is the Ironic Mustaches.
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Nope, Starbucks is too mainstream for Portland.
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I thought Starbucks was Seattle.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Seattle, Portland
they all get too much rain and clouds and people drink too much coffee so they don’t kill themselves, amirte?
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
True enough.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 30, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like San Antonio as an expansion city.
I like Texas split the way it is.
Portland is an interesting idea though. For the second team, I think you have to put one in North Carolina. That state is covered up in minor league teams but doesn’t really have a MLB team close by. Atlanta would be the closest to the south and Washington/Baltimore to the north.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I really think they need to put another team
into NYC/NJ that will further split up that market.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
i don't mind nyc and san Antonio
Portland can’t support a AAA team. we don’t need another Oakland or Tampa
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
How about Charlotte?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
yeah
I’d prefer NC somewhere over NYC. the worry about NYC is that they’d simply siphon off pnly the Mets who don’t really have a winning formula as it is. i can’t really see Yankee fans bolting for an expansion club
Go Rice Owls!
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by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm willing to take that chance.
If you look at population/#teams, it breaks down something like this:
NYC: 23M/2=11.5M
LA: 13M/2 = 6.5M
D/FW: 6M/1= 6M
Houston: 6M/1= 6M
Philly= 6M/1= 6M
DC : 5.5M/1= 5.5M
Miami: 5.5M/1 = 5.5M
Atlanta: 5.2M/1 = 5.2M
Chicago: 9.8 M/2 = 4.9M
Detroit, AZ, and Boston would all be at 4+M.
Notice the outlier? Putting a third team in the NYC Metro area would break it down into about 7.6M/team. That’s still more than anybody else, but it’s not like they’re getting Chicago to themselves.
Obviously, it’s not going to spread out evenly, but it at least creates a way to try to create balance.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
put a team in New Jersey
pretty much same metro area as NYC
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
How did NYC get so big?
Using metro numbers, they are at 19M
by Mark from OC on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
would think Atlanta would have a problem with that
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
someone would have a problem with anywhere.
heck yhe Yankees complained about Tampa. Atlanta has like ten states in their domain. tgey can deal
Go Rice Owls!
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by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't know who would have a problem with Albuquerque.
Maybe Santa Fe and Taos.
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Arizona would be the biggest complainer.
They have the NM tv market.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Don't the Rangers get some of it?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
If they do, it's along the Texas border. The population centers get FoxSports AZ
And Rockies games are blacked out on mlb extra innings.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Gotcha.
Thanks.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
The baseball fans I knew growing up and then working in my college years. . .
. . . were Rockies, Diamondbacks, and Rangers; in that order, but fairly evenly split.
The Rockies and D’backs fans were all Cowboys fans, of course. Some families had one black sheep Broncos fan.
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I wonder what it looks like now...
With the Rangers recent success.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'll ask next time I talk to someone from the area.
Never seemed to be especially success-driven, though. Of course none of those teams had success at the time, so there’s that.
I was around when the Diamondbacks won the World Series, though, and I don’t think they drew in a lot of extra fans.
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We got Fox Sports Rocky Mountain (one of the ROOT channels now).
But Cimarron is in no way a population center.
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Regardless, ABQ can't support an MLB franchise.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
i don't think there is enough cash in this whole state
to even pay for the expansion fee
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Him and JDT both are, I believe.
I grieve for them. : (
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I don't know if I'd want to live there.
But I do enjoy visiting.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Skiing can be great, and the scenery during sunset
can be fantastic.
But I can ski usually better at Colorado and the Big Bend area can give me my scenery.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
As an outdoors guy that I know you are
this shocks and appalls me.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
It's boring, it's cold, it costs money, and the season brings a wealth of really, really annoying people.
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That it costs money is the only legitimate complaint
because it can be extremely expensive, but that also depends on where you are. Skiing in the NE is pretty cheap.
I guess if you don’t like the cold, that’s also legitimate. But with the right clothing, I can’t say that I am ever cold. You’re sweating most of the time.
I don't find it enjoyable.
Is that a legitimate complaint?
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I find the irony in this amusing.
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Because I have the sandy vagina?
You got mad because I called your complaints illegitimate. Like the word “illegitimate” gave you problems.
Where did I express anger?
Anyway, you have a need to get hostile with people for expressing opinions you don’t like all the time. So, yes.
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No, I really don't
I disagree with people a lot. I have a need to get hostile with people who get upset at disagreement.
Seriously?
You never throw out insults because someone says something you disagree with? Never ever?
Come on.
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For opinions like these?
I never do. For opinions about things that I think can objectively be defined, sure all the time. And insults for saying something stupid.
But never for a bald opinion. Or you are very sensitive to perceived insults
Or you're far less courteous than you're either aware of or willing to admit.
Anyway, I wasn’t annoyed until this was what you had as a response to asking you how saying I don’t like skiing isn’t a legitimate complaint.
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Remember when you got upset
when I said that your opinion that Red Robin has the best french fries in the country was awful. Who got upset first?
That, and that I was sheltered for loving RR steak fries.
Which means the same for a lot of people given the subthread on the subject the other day.
Heaven forbid you instead offer up alternatives if they’re so objectively better the only option is that I’ve just never eaten them.
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Po' Folks wedge fries are amazing.
Same with Western Sizzlin’ steak fries.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
??
wedge fries from Po’ Folks and steak fries from the Sizzler.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
No, I mean the fries. What are they like.
Details, descriptions.
I’m not sure when the last time I ate at Sizzler was. There’s one just down the street, though.
Also, I’ve never heard of Po’ Folks, so I’m not sure if I’d be able to find a Po’ Folks.
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It was a chain possibly.
It was back in the late 80’s in Killeen. Not sure if I’ve seen any else where. The Po’ Folks fries were wedged potatoes, and I was as picky as they came when it came to food, so me eating anything different from a regular FF was an act of God.
Sizzler’s were actually just like RR’s, so I bet you would love them. Places change their product all the time, so it may have changed since the last time I went, which would be probably in the early 90’s.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Perhaps it was the metal plates that the Sizzler served it's food on
or the checkers I was able to play while we waited for our table at Po’ Folks that made the fries taste better, but they were good. I’m not sure how else to describe fries. Seasoning was salt and pepper mix. That’s about all I have got.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Well, I mean there are curly fries, thin cut, waffle, steak. . .
There are people here who want their fries more cooked through than I do. There are people that want them less cooked through than I do.
Red Robin’s are great because 99/100 they are perfectly crispy on the outside with a nice fluffy center, and Red Robin seasoning is awesome.
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Well, I stated what kind, steak and wedge
and they were never soggy but usually a good mix of everything. The smaller crispier fries mixed with a few thicker cuts softer on the inside fries.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Cool.
I think I’ll try out Sizzler. Even though it’s a chain.
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Hope you like it.
I haven’t been in at least a decade, so know telling what you’re going to get.
; )
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I blame you if I don't.
Really, I’m not that picky, though, so I’m sure I’ll like it. Most maybe not, but whatever.
It’s a potato fried in oil. It’s going to at least taste good unless you do something stupid to it.
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We goin' sizzler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5NweFWjAw
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
See
you took “sheltered” to be the insult?
Is that really an insult?
And I didn’t know you were waiting on my answers. Duck fat fries at Hot Doug’s are better than Red Robin.
But the point is that I don’t think a chain place like Red Robin can have good fries.
Then you're wrong.
They’re delicious.
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And instead of offering up suggestions for best fries. . .
. . . you decided to tear someone down for what are his favorite fries.
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anyway
sheltered was the insult? I mean, you are aware of what I actually call people, right?
Might you be a little sensitive to my opinions?
You know it's entirely possible you could be the one at fault, correct?
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Why, by the way, would I not be sitting on your answer when the question was essentially "what do you think are the best fries"
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It's not legitimate.
Because ab03 said it isn’t, and he’ll accuse you of sandy vagina if you disagree.
But the faults on you if you don’t enjoy that form of rebuttal.
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Also true.
But I was more focusing on the arrival of the skiiers altering the towns.
Red River, for example, I think is just fine most of the year. It’s when the skiiers show up it becomes intolerable.
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True...
The economics of it could be problematic, I suppose. There are certainly towns that wouldn’t exist without ski resorts. On the other hand, there are many others that would be ok, but would just be sleepier, quieter, and affordable…(I lived in Telluride and Vail, btw)
Don't follow the trails, take the paths that go through the trees
much more fun.
Wear a jacket.
Season passes aren’t that expensive and groups rates are the way to go.
Bring your own people so you don’t have to interact with the other idiots. That’s kind of the way most places work, IMO.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
But then I'm still skiing.
And I don’t like skiing. So. . . .
Also, it’s hard to avoid the idiots. They start dominating the stores, museums, and restaurants.
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To each his own.
Skiing is always a good activity for the family and friends a couple of times a year. I wouldn’t want to do it more than that, I will say that.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
No, I legitimately do not like skiing.
I do not find the activity to be enjoyable.
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A lot of people don't, but it's illegitimate to simply not like it.
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Also, I've never particularly thought of skiing the way I think of other outdoors things.
Until you brought this up, I’d never been given a reason to think of why.
Snow creates a sameness. Everything just looks white. Even the sky is usually white. So everything just looks the same. And the need to be bundled up and put this gear on your feet creates restrictions that most outdoor activities don’t.
I gave snowboarding a chance for several years, and at some point realized I didn’t like that, either, and I was trying to hard to make myself like it. So I quit.
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Well, if you want to do it outdoors-y
Then cross country skiing in Montana would be the way to go as it is like hiking across snowy terrain.
But the enjoyment I get out of skiing as an outdoor activity is, it’s outdoors, and I’m doing an activity. I enjoy the wind, the snow, the racing, the jumps, the time to also talk and converse on ski lifts. It has a lot to offer as far as an activity with good friends.
But you don’t like it, I do. It’s understandable. But the bundled up part isn’t really correct because I’m usually sweating my ass off after the second run, so I usually dress lightly, except for my feet.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I have actually be cross country skiing.
It was alright. I still didn’t like battling with the skiis just to see the world covered in snow, but I was with friends so it was kind of fun. I’d rather just hike.
I don’t have light winter clothes. So that hurts my experience.
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That certainly sounds better.
But, again, the big problems are that I don’t like being in snow, and I don’t like the actual physical act of skiing. I could make skiing better, but I don’t think I could make it something I like to do.
Unless you’re an annoying rich ski snob, I have no problem with you enjoying it, though.
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I know that I want to live there.
I know this for a fact.
If I was on my own I’d probably find a way to move to NM.
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I'm pretty attatched to Dallas...
And RBiA.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Dallas is too godammed big for me.
Hell, Orlando is too big, but I live on the outskirts. It makes it more tolerable.
It still has almost zero connection with nature.
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New Mexico is too small.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This is head-spinning.
You’d pave the whole Earth if you had a chance, wouldn’t you.
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Not at all.
Just want major sports teams in close proximity.
I don’t think I’d ever live in a city that didn’t have an NFL and MLB team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Lack of nearby MLB team is rough.
The Rays, even with that godawful stadium, are nice to have around.
I’d sacrifice the entire invention of baseball for mountains, though.
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you don't consider mosquitoes
and palmetto bugs as nature?
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Heh.
I don’t actually get bitten by mosquitos, like, ever. I dont’ think of them when I think of Texas.
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If my wife and I leave Austin someday...
… it will likely be to head to northern New Mexico or southwestern CO…
Certainly enough to take over a bar somewhere for Opening Day
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 30, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
....
….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
New Mexico is right behind Oklahoma as the state I least would want to live in.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
My god.
I kind of want to hit you right now.
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Oh wow.
New Mexico is probably top ten for me.
West Virginia is towards the bottom… Tennesee, Kentucky… all those places. Alaska probably dead last.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well... it's not 49th out of 50 though.
I think the states in order would be:
Texas
Colorado
Arizona
[Big gap]
California
New Mexico
Massachusetts [and surrounding small states, so like 7 or whatever]
Florida
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I like all these states.
Ironically, though, I don’t think Florida would be in my top 10. Probably not Texas, either, but Texas is ahead of Florida.
I’m going to Massachusetts for the first time in July. I’m not anticipating it going anywhere near my top 10.
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I liked Arizona, too, but I haven't spent much time there.
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way way way way
too many people in Cali
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's why it's under the big gap.
I’d do it… but would need a really good reason. Same with New Mexico.
But at least the environment is nice.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's a huge state.
It’s got to have empty areas, right?
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Tons.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Then I'm not concerned about too many people.
As long as the emptiness is in the nice areas. That’s one thing I like about New Mexico more than Colorado. The places I’ve found in NM that are wonderful are less often crawling with people than in CO.
Still not sure I like NM more, but it’s a point in its favor.
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the central valley is terrible
the central coast is sparse and beautiful (where is inkara? )
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
The only empty areas of that state
are located in the heads of some of it’s citizens.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
It's top tier for me.
With Colorado, Washington, among states I’ve spent a lot of time in, and probably California as well. Which order I’d put them in depends on my mood at the time, but I have far more emotional connection to NM than anywhere else on the globe.
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CS, B
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
moved to abq a few months ago
cold but i like it
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
yu didn't like me before :(
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I did, I just like you more now.
I consider you to be the entire reason Matt Harrison was good.
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Seattle would have a problem with Portland.
I’m assuming Texas and Houston would have a problem with San Antonio.
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Yes,
these are known issues. I think the NoCal teams might have some claim to parts of Oregon.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Mexico City
Aside from the obvious crime problems, has Mexico City ever been seriously considered.
Baseball isn’t soccer, but it’s still pretty popular. And the city is definitely big enough to support a ML team.
No expansion into third-world countries.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Looks like San Francisco and Oakland are both blacked out through most of Oregon.
Not the heavily populated areas on the northern border, but still most of the state.
Mariners are blacked out throughout the entire state.
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Angelos will kill any attempt to put a team in Charlotte.
He believes the Orioles have sway from Baltimore to Florida. The Nats have to pay a kings ransom to him for the next 15 years. Besides, the Charlotte area is just slightly larger than 1 million. Obviously, corporate sponsorship opportunities abound with several banking and transportation headquarters here.
Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™ Jorge C 1/28/12
The dream of the Nineties is still alive in Portland.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Love that show.
Portland’s minor league affiliate left after the stadium was converted to full time soccer for the Timbers in the MLS. They want to bring back the Beavers, but have to build a new stadium. They are currently looking for a good place to do that, you know, with that not in my backyard contingent.
Portland is capable of supporting professional sports teams. The Blazers and Timbers get a lot of support from a city I would think is fairly apathetic towards sports. I think it would be possible for them to support a MLB team. I don’t think it will ever happen though.
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Jan 30, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I'll be pissed Portland gets a team AFTER I move.
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Salt lake city
Screw the NW. The salt lake brigham youngs’ go into the AL west & keeps the dis’Astros in the NL where they belong. Or put the new San Antonio team and the stro’s in the AL west with us and the salty’s in the NL.
"life; The purpose of life is to be as loving as possible, and to ease as much pain and suffering as you can among your fellow humans and other sentient beings."
by John Sickels on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 PM E
Put a team in Alabama so they have something to do during the college football off-season.
They’re bored.
My bad.
When you get right down to it
Another ML team in New Jersey/NY makes more sense that another out West.
NM has Colorado to the north, AZ to the west and Texas to the East, and there just aren’t that many people that live there.
the NHL has 3 teams in the NY/NJ area – why can’t MLB
2013 offense
“A significant injury to Hamilton, in particular, would debilitate their offense.”
Made me think of 2013 as things stand If they lose Napoli and Hamilton.
Andrus (ss)
Kinsler (2b)
Beltre (3b)
Cruz (RF)
Young (DH)
Moreland (1b)
Martin/Gentry/etc. (CF)
Murphy? (LF)
??? (C )
With Face 36, Beltre 33, and a very sparse free agency for position players. Obviously there are creative trades to be made, prospects and players who have big 2012s, etc., but still…
With their rotation probably fairly set (with SP being the primary availability), are the Rangers going to end up even more pressured to sign Hamilton due to lack of other options?
As for Oswalt, waiting on him is not exactly as interesting as waiting on Darvish/Fielder. Sign somewhere please. Preferably St. Louis, but if it had to be the Rangers get it over with so I can see what the move to go with it is.
For the 2013 season, Beltre will be 34 years old
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
True
I was just thinking opening day, but yeah players are listed by what they are in July or something so 34 is correct.
Beltre's B-day is April 7.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
But he's going to be 34.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
by SoWasRed on Jan 30, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Someone's going to start "trade for McCutchen" thread again
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
heh. McCutchen for Harrison!
Get it done JD! Any GM worth his salt would get it done!
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
JD has spoiled the shit out of us.
One of the very best offenses in baseball last year, bringing everybody back the next year and people can’t stop kvetching about 2013…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Thumbs
Asses
Defending Big D Check it out
Twitter
"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
JD is gonna do another
Hamilton for Volquez type of trade
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Which pitcher for which player?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
thats why we're not the GM
we have no clue
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Koji for Rasmus or Stubbs.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
More a comment on the general state of LSB.
I s’pose it’s nice that it’s holding off the forthcoming intense debates on who should be in the rotation and who should be moved to the bullpen/AAA…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Minor kvetching is in order...the 2013 season is still coming and to date, no extensions have
been signed and no trades bringing back young talent have been made.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
i'll worry about that next offseason
Rangers have a WS to win.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
This......so much this......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Hence, the minor kvetching.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Admit it....you just like saying "kvetching"....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, most definitely...
I’m going to use it a few times today….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Rosenthal and Cowlishaws articles are jokes, right?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Rosenthal's best comment
was how the Yankees will have trouble filling the DH void left by Posada.
by OJsApprentice on Jan 30, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Bring back Matsui!!!!!!!!!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah...that's much more likely....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
NO! I don't care if he can swallow that steak whole.
Oswalt and the St. Louis Cardinals had discussed a one-year deal worth $7.5 million, but Oswalt is holding out for an eight-figure payday, hoping someone will up the ante to $10 million.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
If that's the case, I'm hoping Oswalt is using the Rangers as leverage....
Like I said, I don’t want Oswalt at the expense of Harrison….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
He almost has to be at this point
because there is no way the Rangers are interested in him at that price. And Oswalt’s prior relationship with some of the Rangers people has to be good for at least knowing that the Rangers don’t want him at that price.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
This is making lesser and lesser sense
and it did not make much sense to start with.
Dumping a 26 year old pitcher who will cost under $3M for the season and coming off of a 4+ WAR season so that we can sign a declining vet with a bad back at the cost of $10M?
This better not happen.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
In JD we trust?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I trust JD, but I think this isn't his move
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Nolans having a baby!!
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Excuse me?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Nolans having a baby!!
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whatever your excuse is, LSB ain't gonna buy it.
My excuse is the fucking SBN app.
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 9:41 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm really starting to wonder
if the Rangers are doing this just to up Oswalt’s price.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
What is the Rangers movtivation, though?
I can see it from Oswalt’s angle (using the Rangers to up the price)….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, why would the Rangers want to drive up the price if the Cards are the only other option?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Becuase we hate the Cardinals
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But what could we have against the Cardinals...
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I hope Oswalt enjoys the steak but that's about it....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
He needs to take his time
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope he orders the vegetarian option
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
Nolan: "Rhoy, I dont think you're a good fit on our team. Oh, about 35,000."
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They're doing this bc Nolan loves Oswalt, and they just want to see if they can get him for pennies.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
How many pennies?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, about 35,000
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I knew I could count on you
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Oswalt's camp has requested a meeting.
And the Rangers are obliging. I don’t think the Rangers are specifically trying to drive up the price… but I think they like/respect Oswalt enough to be a part of the process.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Is three strait winning seasons a team record?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
don't think so
three straight playoff appearances would be
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 9:30 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
'77-'79
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
89-91, barely.
83, 83, 85 wins
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
those teams should have won so many more games
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
'89 team started 17-5 but probably weren't ready yet...the '91 team
should have been so much better…had the 14 game win streak thru Memorial Day and then STBF the last four months of the year.
That `93 team had a lot of talent as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
i blame Scott Erickson
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Guaranteed a win to break the streak.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
The '93 team is the first baseball team I have strong memories of.
I didn’t realize they should have been better until a few years later when I sat and looked at that roster and what many of those players were before or since, and thought “what the fuck?!”
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Started season 31-39...I think in one week Canseco had a ball bounce
off his head into the stands for a HR and then he tore a ligament in his elbow pitching (KKennedy was “sending a message” to his other pitchers and lost one of his best hitters in the process).
They went crazy for about two months and got back in the race…would have bet a lot of $$$ they would win the AL West after the Ryan/Ventura scrap (I was there) in August but they ran out of gas in September.
Raffy’s steroids kicked in after the AS Break that year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Kennedy was sending a message?
The game was a blowout and Canseco had been BEGGING them to let him pitch for a while.
I mean he could have been… I was like 13 back then. I just remember Canseco talking about how badly he wanted pitch in a game. It was a laugher that we got killed in and I always thought Kennedy finally gave in and let him as a joke.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That was the story at the time...our pitchers were struggling and
he wanted to send a message. I don’t if it was the starters (we had KBrown & KRogers along with a seriously fading Nolan) or the relievers but he wanted to send a message.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I remember it like Match
A couple of days before, Canseco threw a strike from RF to nail a guy at home and all of the talk from the media was about how Canseco could pitch. And Kevin Kennedy was clownshoes so he went with it.
And I don't know what kind of message it would have been
Canseco asked to pitch and Kennedy let him. It was a blowout loss. Who is that sending the message to? The regular mop up duty guy?
KK was sending a message to his pitchers that he
was tired of watching their suck.
Believe me or not, I wouldn’t make that shit up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I don't have to believe you
I was quite cognizant of baseball in 1993. I remember what day of the week this happened (Saturday, day game). I remember where I went that day to see it. And I remember reading tons of articles about it, at least in the DMN since that was our subscription.
I really don't give a shit...your memory about that season isn't better than mine.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
OHHHH!!!!
Internet pissing contest!
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
He's trying to take ME on in a memory
contest about a season I remember quite vividly.
Please.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not debating your knowledge
of past events from the 70s/80s/90s for the Rangers or Tech for that matter, but comments like these just make me shake my head:
your memory about that season isn’t better than mine.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
He's trying to take HIM on, MBS!
HIM!!!
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and ab03 is right about this, anyway
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
We need Josey to show up to a tailgate and have some folks participate in a Rangers trivia contest.
My bad.
He..
would win.
Seriously, he would. He knows facts. Facts are easy. Valid, eye-tested opinions are the hard part.
For alot of people.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 30, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Somewhat related question
Who do you think has a better memory of the 2004 season, me or you grandpa?
Dellucci double
was off of Octovio Dotel and Brian Jordan scored the winning run.
I WIN. SUCK IT ALL.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think there was a time
where every member of this board could tell you that. Like maybe as late as 2009. I think it trumped the Ranger playoff runs as the most memorable event of the Rangers.
I know they started 12-8 and their run differential
made me proclaim on NMLR that they were a serious threat to win 88-92 games.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Not the 12-8
That you said that at NMLR. Of course you repeat shit like that at least 5 times a year so that’s not really some great feat
proud of ya
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Winning pitcher in the Dellucci Double game?
GO!
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
and who started
wow…as I look at the box score.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Hudson pitched the 8th for Oakland...
hmmm, would have to have been a late inning reliever type…Kam Loe?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
He works for MLB.com
Chan Ho Started for Texas.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Chan Ho's making his debut in the Korean baseball league this season btw
I’m actually looking forward to seeing what he can do against the competition here.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously, no joking
I have a better memory than you. I’m not kidding about that. You might know more than me about baseball but that’s only because you were alive longer and I wasn’t paying attention to baseball in seriousness until we traded for Canseco.
But you do not have a better memory than me.
by ab03 on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
x
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Who was the starting pitcher on Opening Day in '93?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Liebrandt
that’s easy.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
dammit
I meant Criag Lefferts…I get those 2 confused…
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
You...
realize you just proved Joseys point??
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 30, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Craig Lefferts
I have the best memory!
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
You didn't remember that...we had a
starting staff of Rogers, Brown and Ryan but Craig Lefferts (gulp) took the hill on Opening Day that year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Be honest...did you look it up or did you just know?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
damn you're awesome
I need to get my sunglasses to read this stuff.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
who uses this trivia as some sort of barometer of anything?
You.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Ummmm....
College Degrees seem to require you to answer a question or two throughout 4 or so years of classes.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 30, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I suspect that most degrees...
Require that you show the ability to think and draw conclusions behind simply regurgitating information.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Keep smoking, Buddy
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I thought that was the story as well.
I’ve always heard that it was a joke/accomodating Canseco more than anything. This was pre-baseball fandom for me however so I don’t have a personal recollection of the event.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
It was to accommodate Canseco.
We were the little POS Texas Rangers and Canseco was a rock star at the time. Kennedy was a rookie manager and Tom Grieve didn’t have the cajones to say no.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I stopped after I saw 77-79
Four strait would be a record.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Challenge accepted.
/JD
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
He's going after the Cowboys record.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's the nasty Giants fan in him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The Cowboys have never won 90 games
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I'm to worried about him failing
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
*not* to worried
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
current streak is at 3
can’t see them not having a fourth winning season in a row
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 9:48 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
We'll get 83 wins of the A's and M's alone
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Off
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yu wait til the Lastros join the fray
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Numba 1 seed
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not a record. A Hormuz.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
From Buster Onley this morning
From John Labombarda of Elias: Players with 100 or more strikeouts, an ERA less than 2.60 and a WHIP less than 1.00 through a season in which they turned 23:
Neftali Feliz: 2009-11, 164 strikeouts, 2.55 ERA, 0.95 WHIP
Strasburg: 2010-11, 116 strikeouts, 2.54 ERA, 0.98 WHIP
by Plum on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Different circumstances, sure
But I think we forget that he had TORP potential before moved to the pen. I’m more excited than most.
Actually I'm looking forward to seeing Feliz start more than Darvish
I’m worried as much as I’m excited, but still.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'm almost as excited for him as I am for Yu
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 10:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yu think?
No. Yu know.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 10:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
<3
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 10:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
man..i just have very little confidence in Feliz
as a starter..especially in the Majors to begin..rather not rush him and let him gain confidence in the minors as a starter
Feliz is going to turn you into a believer
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I can envision a number of
4-5, 100 pitch starts from him.
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm sorry but this is silly
He has been in the majors for a while, he doesn’t need to build confidence facing 4A hitters. He needs to be challenged to bring his best and grow into his awesome-assed talent.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Price aside..
Why is everyone flipping out about signing Oswalt? Because Harrison would be in the bullpen? Pardon my language, but so the fuck what? Maybe Oswalt goes down? Maybe Harrison goes down? Maybe someone else sucks?
I just do not get the railing against having another arm.
x
When we traded Millwood to Balt, wasn’t he already declared our opening day starter? Maybe the FO is thinking of an Oswalt signing, followed by a Koji/Cobra/Prospect trade to Balt for Jones or something similar to that w/ another team…
He was the OD Starter
by default. They are not trading Colby Lewis….postseason grit and his $3.25 million contract.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
just when you get confident about knowing the rangers plans
then ninja
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I think if the Ninja is going to trade a starter
Harrison – 65%
Holland – 20%
Colby – 5%
Feliz – 5%
Feldman – 5%
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
In terms of value...
Pick the one on the list that isn’t like the others. Ouch.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
But why would team X want Colby?
Yes he’s cheap. But I don’t understand why a rebuilding team would trade for him?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Vetran Staff Leader
with postseason success, good for 200 innings, understands Japanese….the list goes on
Who also takes a rotation spot away from a young starter
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
What would we get for him though
A rebuilding team isn’t going to give up any good prospects for him
no way i trade Harry unless we get something
huge in return..especially with the uncertainty of Feliz as starter and oswalt injury history
There comes a point where you need to trust/roll with your young guys
Oswalt may not be a upgrade over Harrison or Holland and yet will cost ~3 times as much money.
Injury concerns/insurance are valid but thats where you sign some veterans to stash in AAA for a month or two until Perez or Ramirez are ready. Signing a veteran like Oswalt which pushes one of your young pitchers out of the rotation is not a good plan IMO.
Yes, I get this totally.
But it’s not like most people are advocating trading Harrison – just stashing him in the pen. It’s not like we have to throw away Holland or Harrison or something if we sign Roy Oswalt. It’s not like we have to give up on young guys. I just don’t think that signing Oswalt equates to not trusting your young guys.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
"Stashing him in the pen" is a complete waste of his services
I’d rather keep him in the rotation, sign some reliever for much less than what Oswalt will cost, and the team is the same, if not better.
Plus what kind of message does it send to your young pitchers if after putting up a season like Harrison put up in 2011 he gets pushed to the pen when guys like Yu and Feliz, who have started a combined ZERO games in the majors, get rotation spots.
What message does it send?
That we took an inconsistent guy under team control and put him in the pen in favor of the established veteran? You serious, Clark?
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yes im serious
Roy Oswalt would be a terrible signing for us if it meant pushing Harrison to the bullpen.
Now if we signed Oswalt and had a trade lined up for Harrison to another team to get a young player who fills holes for us in other areas thats fine.
but pushing Harrison, or Holland, to the pen for Oswalt is a terrible decision IMO
Oswalt would be a bad deal at $10 million.
It would have nothing – absolutely nothing – to do with moving Matt Harrison to the bullpen.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I think it should.
I don’t think Harrison would be effective out of the bullpen. His strengths play better to being a starter than a late inning reliever.
I think it boils down to how you value Harrison. If you value him as quality starter… putting him in the bullpen is a waste.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Late inning reliever?
His K/BB ratio is good, but late inning? How about long man.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
You seriously think we should move Harrison to be our long man?
So basically you just hate Matt Harrison
got it
What do we do with Feldman?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Isreal
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well... you can't send him to the minors.
He has to be on the 40 man. Do you waste a roster spot with two long men?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This I'm fine with.
If you can trade him for something good… do it.
But the bullpen is a waste… it would hurt his trade value as well.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I prefer relievers that can strike people out
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Plus,
there is a chance that Harrison could develop into a better pitcher [he already has the stuff] if you let him keep accumulating experience as a starter. I doubt he ever turns himself into a Cy Young quality guy, but is it so crazy to think he could turn in an AllStar+ to Elite season? I don’t think so…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Matt Harrison to a multi year all star with elite seasons?
I think it’s crazy to say that, yes.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
He had a pretty elite season last year.
And was almost exactly as consistent as C.J. Harry was leagues more consistent than Holland, Colby and Ogando.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He was borderline AllStar quality last year.
He pitched between 29 and 35 innings each month, check out what his FIP and xFIP did:
Apr: 4.54 | 4.25
May: 4.51 | 4.95
Jun: 3.57 | 3.93
Jul: 2.91 | 3.12
Aug: 2.92 | 3.59
Sep: 2.73 | 3.41
The FIP is obvious, but even the xFIP shows a pitcher who got better as the year progressed. Also, last year was the first year he pitched as a starter for the entire season. I can see how you might be worried about fatigue or some such, but the guy is a very valuable player to have.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he would not have been a crazy All Star choice.
His 2011:
185.2 IP; 180 H, 13 HR, 57 BB, 126 K, 131 ERA+, 1.276 WHIP, 2.21 K/BB
Pretty solid season, for sure, but his career #s are dedidedly average. So is it crazy to say he’ll have multiple elite seasons? Yes, I think it’s crazy to say so.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is saying he will...
But it isn’t crazy to think he COULD. He legitimately could.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That's where we disagree.
Other than Darvish… I think Harrison is the most likely to give you 3.5 WAR next year from Feliz, Ogando, Lewis & Holland.
Several of them have a higher upside… but Harrison’s stuff and consistency give me more confidence that he won’t bomb.
I mean… he’s still very high variance because of his career numbers and only year of success… but none of those guys have had more than one strong year as a starter in the major leagues. He’s probably the least high variance of a group of very high variance guys.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Matt Harrison is capable of it, absolutely.
So is Feliz. So is Colby. So is Holland. So is Ogando. Probably so is Yu. Is he more likely than all of them? Ehhhhhhh.
Thatsa lotta ifs.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
You missed his point.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
No I didn't.
I just don’t think he’s that much more likely to achieve that success in 2012 than any of those other guys.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
And that's what it boils down to.
When you’re constructing the roster you come up with what your expectations are…
I think several of us have high enough expectations for Harrison to prefer him to an Oswalt alternative.
That would be true for me for every pitcher but Ogando.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, I think that's fair.
And if the answer to my initial question is simply, “of the available starers, I think he will have the most value/be the best,” then I think that’s a perfectly fair answer. I don’t agree, but I’m ok with that answer.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Okay.
Now that we’ve had a reasonable discussion and come to a fair understanding… let’s move on to the lightning round of anger and fist shaking.
I’ll begin by saying that your plaid shorts (I’m assuming) make you look like someone who enjoys Addison… but only second to Frisco.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Last year was his age 25 season.
This year will be his age 26 season. That’s still on the good size of the development curve.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
411 career IP....
We should be getting to what Matt Harrison is capable of real soon, if not already.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Assuming he had been starting consistently for all that time...
…but he hasn’t.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
It's an excuse that he's been used
in a way that wouldn’t grade out well via WAR, the stat you are using to disparage him?
This is a pitcher who was a solid prospect, that we’ve heard scouts say has very good stuff, and was one of the best SPs for the Rangers last year based on standard and advanced statistics. It’s not like we’re dealing with Scott Feldman, here…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not disparaging him using WAR.
I’m simply trying to tap the breaks on the “He’s a 4 WAR GUY!!!” rabble I"m hearing.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
What do you think Harrison will do as a starter next year?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
My point is that it's really hard to predict.
Just like with Feliz, just like with Yu…. I think it’s safe to say he could give a 2.5 WAR season with 180 IP and some nice strikeouts, but I just don’t think there’s enough data to be confident in saying he will do X or Y.
I think it’s reasonable to say that the Rangers will most likely not be at the bottom of the league again in terms of #s of starters used for the third straight year, and give that I am making that assumption, and given that I do not think it will irreperably harm Matt Harrison to start off in the pen, or Feliz to start off in AAA, I just don’t get what the fuss is about with Oswalt.
I really don’t advocate signing Oswalt for even $7 million, but discounting the price argument, I just don’t see this major downside to signing him that others seem to see.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I kinda agree with Feliz in AAA.
Ideally the Rangers would have someone ready but unproven at MLB level or a retread that can be stashed in AAA until needed. The Rangers don’t have that issue. Everyone (except for Yu) has proven they can pitch effectively in the MLB.
Oswalt doesn’t solve any problem and instead may negatively affect Matt’s development.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The only thing about Feliz to AAA
is that I think the FO views Feliz as the next Ace pitcher, the next number one who will dominate the league. They don’t want him in AAA anymore. They want him to come to the bigs, own it, and take on his role as the #1 pitcher in the Rangers org as well as the MLB for 2013 and on.
This is purely my opinion, but it just seems like the way upper mgt. talks about Feliz and the expectations they set on him overall, that’s what they want.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I agree which is why the total situation doesnt make sense for bringing Oswalt in
The Rangers already have sufficient injury insurance and there’s no one to really stash in AAA to justify Oswalt.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 30, 2012 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's not what match said.
He said he’s got the best floor of any of our options going into next year, which is a safe statement. Most of the guys the Rangers have are fairly high variance in terms of projecting their 2012 season.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
FIFY
Most All of the guys the Rangers have are fairly high variance in terms of projecting their 2012 season.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You never answered that question the other night, 'Stick.
What walk rate is unacceptable?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Heh.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as an “acceptable” walk rate.
Vlad never had much of one and he’ll probably go in the hall of fame. True of many guys.
The only two guys on the Rangers who are any good at taking a walk are Ian and Napoli. Everyone else is a very aggressive hitter.
The point is that if Hamilton’s ability to hit the ball like Jesus Christ ever diminishes… his OBP will look more like Adrian Beltre’s. And I wouldn’t pay Adrian Beltre $120M either.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I just looked this up.
Napoli is way better at walking than I realized.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
Yah man
Gotta respect DAT POWER
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
That's the reason that I want us to lock him up so much
Even if he’s unlikely to hit over .300 again, he’s likely to put up respectable OBP.
And of course, dat power.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I really want to keep him, desperately.
I just don’t want it to be based on 2010.
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
2011?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So you don't have a problem with Beltre
getting 25 walks in 525 plate appearances last year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
He's saying that he would have a problem
if we were paying Beltre $120M
But we’re not.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Beltre is most likely getting $ 96 million
but according to most of LSB, he’s still an effective hitter with a walk % below 5%.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing.
You can’t say he’s breaking down and then also say he’ll probably get the 6th year. That is impossible. If he breaks down he won’t get the sixth year.
And he’s also the best defensive 3B in the league and one of the better hitting ones.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not saying he's "breaking down"
but he definitely broke down last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Ah.
So you don’t think it’ll be a problem for future seasons?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Don't know...I'm more worried about
his future OBP than I am his health.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
His OBP will always be meh.
No argument there.
The hope is that the power and the glove are enough to be worth $80M.
I’ll be surprised if he gets that 6th year. It’s not hard to get less than 600 PA… even with just regular rest.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Most likely?
Look at the conditions for Beltre’s vesting option. Those aren’t so easy to accomplish that you can say it’s a sure thing.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Only if he wants 6-7 years and $120M+
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I thought your offer to Josh was no
more than 5/80?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Guaranteed.
6th year vesting option for $16M based on PA.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If Josh signs for that kind of money
I don’t think match, or anybody here for that matter, would mind if Josh puts up Beltre-ish OBP.
It’s just that we know Josh won’t sign for that kind of money.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Except I was responding to you incorrectly stating how I was using WAR.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
And also the first time it’s ever been above zero.
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by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Not only is it untrue, since he pitched before 2010 and had >0 WAR seasons, in 2010 when he did have a 0 WAR season, he was mainly a reliever (only started in 6 of his 37 appearances).
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I would suggest against using BR's WAR.
Also, if you want to make the argument that Harrison wasn’t very good before, just use his rate stats. He walked a ton of guys before, if he does it again, he won’t be very good even if he maintains his improved K/9.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yes and that's the constant discussion about Harry.
He has great stuff and needs to go after guys because he is absolutely capable of getting outs that way. When he nibbles he gives up hits or walks and infuriates all who watch.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
That's why he's an Angel now
Shit. Wrong guy.
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by WyoRanger on Jan 30, 2012 12:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, if we're talking about true talent. . .
. . . I’m not going to go with just ERA over just FIP if I have to pick one.
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Shouldn't....
use a statistic to evaluate Talent anyways. You are born with talent. You do not acquire talent through a good WAR.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 30, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
If we get what he did last year for the next three years.
That would be fantastic… and better than most pitchers in our franchise history over a four year stretch.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You understand that nobody disagrees with this, right?
Of course it would be fantastic. Of course it would.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
i agree totally..we finally get some of our guys to produce
at he major level..i dont want to trade them for prospects..we have to keep ones that produce and trade ones we think are expendable..its just good business
if only i could rec this.
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by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Back injuries are scary.
And paying Oswalt $10M to possibly be an upgrade (but not guaranteed) scares me.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Heh.
Glossed right over the title.
But the back injury is the issue. If we felt like we were really going to get Roy Oswalt of two years ago… I think they’d do it because it would be a sure thing upgrade.
But Harrison was quite good last year… I’m not convinced that this version of Oswalt would be better.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah, it's not as if I think Oswalt represents an upgrade.
But the fact of the matter is that the Rangers have been uncommonly fortunate with the starting rotation’s health the last couple of seasons… I’d rather have options, even if one is kind of unknown and one is old with a wonky back, I guess. That said, I don’t want any part of Oswalt for $10 million. Yow.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
That would be one thing if the Rangers only had 5 good options right now
[which is more than some teams could say], but Colby, Darvish, Holland, Harrison, Feliz, Feldman, Ogando represent 7 guys capable of giving you average to above average production and then you have Perez or Neil Ramirez who should be available in a pinch for the second half.
And that’s before we get to the NRI-type guys.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
has anyone in the FO said Harry is the odd man out?
or is this speculation that just became fact somehow?
Go Rice Owls!
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by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
speculation
Who else would you bump? Not Holland, Darvish, lewis or Feliz
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
why not Lewis?
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by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Because he's the veteran presense that has to start opening day for us
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Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
what would you do w/ Lewis then?
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Why ask questions you already know the answer to?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Veteran-wait for it-ocity.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Well lets look at the rotation
Colby – Veteran who has performed great the last two postseasons and is cheap. Could be traded but unlikely
Yu – Our big offseason splash. Theres ZERO chance he gets bumped
Feliz – We’ve made it clear hes going to be a starter in 2012. He could possibly be sent to the minors to start the year but I would only put that at maybe a 20% chance
That leaves Harrison and Holland. Given the talk this winter about the teams desires to extend Holland, even though they’ve fallen through, it makes it much more likely Harrison would be the odd man out of those two
In his Ben and Skin interview on Friday....
Ben asked JD if they were thinking about starting Feliz in the minors. JD said that he supposed it was possible if he had a terrible spring… but at this point it wasn’t something they had ever discussed at all.
He made it sound like it was the craziest thing on Earth.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Very interesting.
Poor Ogando.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
/ninja'd
Just asking – but if Feliz isn’t coming out firing on all starter-cylinders in March, wouldn’t the org be better served in terms of player control to have him make a few starts in Austin?
Holland's performance in the WS would suggest that he's safe in the roto for sure
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heh always helps
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with oswalt
Lewis’s key advantage is mitigated. and i fail to see why he wouldn’t have good trade value
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by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Lewis would have plenty of trade value.
PS success and cheap. Cheaper than Oswalt…
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Boston and Detroit would love to have him
by RangerMad on Jan 30, 2012 10:40 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Who would you trade him to?
A rebuilding team isn’t going to give up any good prospects for him
And I wouldn’t want to trade him to a contending AL team since that would mean we would have to face him.
Also the PR hassle of trading a guy who has been absolute nails the last 2 postseasons and was such a good comeback story for us.
Its better to just keep him
I don't think trading Cobra would be a pr hit to the organization.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
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by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think we'll live
It’s not like Colbyashi is a fan favorite in the sense that Josh or Face is.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think you're mistaken
The same arguement you heard from every outlet that CJ sucks in the postseason so it’s ok, would be reversed for Colby.
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Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Cobra is not a pitcher who resonates with the fans...that's not a
negative…it’s just his personality and he’s only been here two seasons.
Trading him is something they should consider. He sucked at home last year and they’re apparently not planning to extend him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
x
they’re apparently not planning to extend him.
Because they haven’t done it already? This isn’t MLB the Show where you can resign your roster in 15 minutes.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Key word is "apparently"...it could still happen but right
now it appears like JD is content to let Josh, Napoli and Cobra all hit free agency.
If it doesn’t happen by March 1, I don’t think it’s going to happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Even if they hit FA
They can still be resigned.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
What's JD's history in this regard?
He signed VPadilla but that’s the only Ranger I can remember that happening to with JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think
you can compare the Rangers offseason plans from 07-09 to what they do from 10-12.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
You saw what happened with CJ.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
1 player isn't much of a track record
and they had Darvish in mind to replace him.
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It's more than one player / pitcher.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
i want names
impact names that are the caliber of Josh, CJ, Napoli, Cobra
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Do your own homework. If you don't know, that's on you.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
they haven't had much of those types hit FA
so we do not have much of a track record
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
They definitely have a track record.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
i can't come up w/ any.....who?
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Of the core guys 2 have left after the 2010 and 2011 seasons
One was CJ, the other Cliff which they made every attempt to get.
They made an offer to Vlad which he should have signed and he ended up getting less from Balt, but he wasn’t part of the core.
DO, Cantu, Blanco, Harden, and Treanor were all guys that come and go and pretty easily replaced.
Molina and Guzman retired.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
thats what I thought
thanks dude…..in other words JW is wrong.
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Bullshit.
Kenny Rogers, GMJ, DeRosa, Barajas.
JW is not wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Please tell me you don't think the Rangers
should have signed either GMJ, DeRosa or Kenny for what they got or would have asked for.
Because that would be insane.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
They also let Andruw Jones go
and Marlon Byrd.
But neither were part of the core and we had no money. Again what was done by the FO from 07-09 should not be used as an indicator from what they have/will do from 10-12. So they’ve had 2 guys come up from the core and they went hard on 1 and found a younger/cheaper replacement for the other.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
and I said...
I don’t think you can compare the Rangers offseason plans from 07-09 to what they do from 10-12.
not resigning Kenny Rogers when we lose 90 games is different from what the FO does when we win the 2012 WS and Colby Lewis has another 3-1 postseason.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
so you consider those players part of the core of the team
hahahhaha….soo fucking wrong
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
What happened with Milton Bradley?
Put up a .436 OBP in 2008 and when he made it to free agency, he left for Chicago.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
After 2008....
Was Milton Bradley considered part of the core? And where exactly is Milton right now? What team is he with. We obviously should have reupped with him for 4 years and $35 million.
God if we did that you’d still be bitching.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying whether or not letting
those players hit free agency was bad or good…we’re looking at the track record of core players…and yes, MBradley and his .436 OBP were very much a part of the 2008 core.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
He was never a part of the core
He was a 1 year FA experiment. And while his production was good, he was brittle as hell and really could only be effective as a DH.
Players that come in 1 year
deals who have played for 7 teams in the previous 8 years and are notorious clubhouse cancers are not part of any core.
There is a reason why they move from team to team.
The Rangers took a flyer, got lucky, and reaped the reward of draft picks.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
and thank goodness he did
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I don't think
the FO really cares about PR moves (IE – no offer to CJ, MY situations of years past, etc.)
Speculation.
We could be packaging Feliz in a deal for Mike Stanton, after all.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
He'll age like a fine wine.
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and oswalt's never pitched in the AL
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Scares me a lot
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 10:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you aren't a Harry fan
but I kind of agree with you. this would provide insurance against an injury in spring or facilitate a trade from the rangers biggest strength. maybe im naive but i think the odds that Harry is in the bullpen are very very low
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:14 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Depth is great
but the guy you’re considering signing is the most likely to be injured and the most expensive. That doesn’t make sense.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Waste of resources that could be more adequately used elsewhere [unless you trade Harrison]
It makes more sense to use that money other ways. I’d rather they have signed Ryan Madson for the $8.5M he’s going to cost the Reds, I think.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
If one thing is clear...
It’s that none of us know exactly the financial position of this team, and none of us have any idea what exactly would constitute a “waste of resources” for the team.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
That's not true.
We know they think Detroit’s offer was crazy. We know they can afford Yu. That gives us a framework, plus all the data we have from other teams.
We know that the Rangers can’t (currently) spend at Yankee, or even Red Sox, levels.
We know that they can spend more than the Rays or A’s.
We know that they can afford to sign a guy like Joe Nathan, even if he doesn’t serve as closer for the entire season. But we know that the $7M they gave him means enough to them that they are going to try to get him to close all season.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Just because they didn't want to match Detroit, doesn't mean they weren't able to.
Doesn’t mean they were able to. We don’t have any clue what the true financial position of this club is today.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
That is patently false.
We know that they can’t spend at the level of certain teams and we know they can spend more than others.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Patently false?
You sound like Josey. You and I have absolutely no clue what the organization’s financial ability is. Spending smart doesn’t mean they are at the end of their budget.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Can't handle it, can you?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I've just shown you how you are wrong.
I’m not saying I know what it is even to the millions. But we have an idea about their revenues, we have an idea about what percentage of revenues teams spend on MLB payroll, we have comments that they make about payroll and we have their actions. We know they can afford where they are at, which puts them better off than 15 teams in the majors. We also know that their revenues can’t compete with the top 3-4 teams.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
You really haven't.
You haven’t shown me anything about the financial position of the club. You are speculating, just like everyone is. Maybe the Rangers were never in on Fielder? Maybe they were able to go to $200 million+, but just didn’t want to? You and I don’t know the answers to either of those questions.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
"Maybe the Rangers were never in on Fielder?"
…
……
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Ok,
we can compare the major sources of revenue to say that they don’t make as much as certain teams, even accounting for the likely error margins in that data. We can look at how much teams on average, spend out of that, because the player contracts are public.
That gives us an idea of what the Rangers are likely to spend.
It’s entirely possible that the Rangers owners are like Detroit’s owner and are ok with spending more than average in terms of %revenue, but we haven’t seen that to be the case yet.
So if they do have the ability to spend $200M+, why haven’t they? And what is likely to change their minds? It seems much more likely to me that we see them continue on the same path that they are going on now.
BTW, the owners have already said that they are losing money on the Rangers and will every year until the new TV deal starts.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Revenues don't equate with spending, either.
As reflected by your last paragraph…
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
The TV Deal, is the reason I agree with FB
We have no idea how much of that they are willing to spend early.
$150M of revenue stream coming in in a few years makes losing money presently a non-issue.
Not a non-issue
just less of an issue than otherwise. Depending on extensions, though, they do have Young coming off the payroll after 2013 and Feldman off after 2012 loosening things up a bit.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The owner already said they are operating at a deficit
what more do you want? Is Oswalt really the guy you step out for?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Again
Revenues do not equate to the budget or spending ability of the team.
Obviously this team is anticipatorily spending to reflect the new TV deal. They say they are operating at a deficit, but we don’t truly know what their budget is. Any one of us who says otherwise is speculating.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
The team is operating at a structural deficit for the next 3 seasons. Adding to payroll in that circumstance will add to the deficit. That means you only add to payroll if you are really convinced it makes the team better. Adding Oswalt probably doesn’t make the team better, it just makes it more expensive. You’re assuming that it is just as likely that Simpson is lying as it is he is telling the truth. It’s not speculation to say the team is operating at a deficit.
Oswalt might be a nice addition, I guess, but it seems to be a solution without a problem.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Last line says it all.
He could be an upgrade, but the marginal benefit of that upgrade isn’t worth the costs.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
When do I suggest that Simpson is lying?
WTF?
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Word that differently if you like
It sounds like you’re saying Simpson’s quotes about the deficit are meaningless or only a half-truth or something. The team cannot just spend an infinite amount of money against future earnings. That’s bad business and everything they’ve said reflects an understanding of their limits. They also want to extend some guys, so adding to payroll with a signing like Oswalt would make that just a little bit more difficult.
Anyway, as I said below, I don’t believe they’re that serious about Oswalt unless his price comes way down. He has artificially limited his own market, hurting his negotiating power. The Rangers have no reason to add him unless it makes sense for them.
The Rangers just seem like the wrong team at the wrong time for him.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Not at all.
If he says they are operating at a deficit, then no reason to think they aren’t.
That does not reveal what their budget is though. Not for this season, not for 2013, not for 2014, not for 2030.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
If they are at a deficit for 2012-2014
it tells you that adding payroll will increase that deficit. It tells you that adding payroll will mean borrowing from the future. You can only do that so much and you only want to do that if you’re certain it increases your chances of winning right now.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
again
people are assuming that jd just wants to horde starting pitchers. im pretty sure he knows he only needs five and that he’s losing value by stashinf the others in middle relief. he’s fairly smart…
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Well that's kind of my question -
How does putting Harry in the pen for awhile greatly diminish his value?
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
That's not really the point....
The point is that you want to capitalize and built on the season Harrison had last year…
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
And two months in the bullpen ruins the guy or something?
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Why jerk him around?
When you have a guy that can throw 185 innings with an ERA in the 3s, you don’t put him in the bullpen. Thats like plowing a hay field with a racehorse.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Then put Holland in the pen.
Either way, it’s not detrimental to the player to be in the bullpen because they signed a veteran. It may not be the best choice in terms of maximizing the value of the staff, but it’s not like it’s going to ruin a player.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
How do you know that?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I think there's a fair argument to be made
that Feliz and Holland would be better SP right now if they hadn’t spent as much time in the BP. It’s not obvious, but…
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
And its also like
becoming Assistant Manager at HEB and then being sent back to bagging groceries. F that.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
And also the first time it's ever been above zero.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Reliever WAR isn't something you should rely on.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
You quite apparently don't understand the use of the word 'outlier'
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Harrison's season last year
can’t be an outlier because he doesn’t have enough seasons as a starting pitcher to create a data set worth anything.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Because using a starter who notched up 4+ WAR in over 180 innings the previous season as a LOOGY is a waste
Not only is it a waste, it might not even work out. Look up Harrison’s number as a reliever and it’s not pretty. There is absolutely no guarantee that he’ll make a decent LOOGY. Harrison is much more valuable as a starter than a LOOGY. If we don’t plan to start him, then it’s better that we trade him at his value as a starter IMO
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
And negatives every season until last year.
Matt Harrison had a great 2011. And was pretty shitty until then.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Then all the more reason to trade him
In that case, his value is at its peak right now, no?
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
so..if feliz has a crappy year
we dump him for someone else?..or do we watch him progress and grow?..
Awesome.
Better deal the guy then. Sell high and all that. Either way, moving him to the BP makes zero sense.
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Yeah
Young players usually don’t keep improving.
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Age 25 is not typically the ideal year for a large break through, right?
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Pet peeve alert...
A lefty reliever is not a LOOGY. There’s zero chance Harrison would be a LOOGY. That stands for “lefty one-out guy”. I see people say LOOGY all the time for very good bullpen lefties. Harrison would not be that – that’s the role for the Arthur Rhodes of the world.
That said, it would still be a huge waste.
You're looking at investing $8MM in an "insurance policy" who is inferior to the top 5 in your rotation going into 2012 and more likely to break down than any of the other guys he's "insuring."
The move makes no sense unless there’s a trade in the works.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
No, it's what I'm saying.
And Harrison to the bullpen is a gross mis-allocation of resources.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You asked a question and I gave an answer. Where did I go wrong?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You misinterpreted me.
Then when I said so, you said you weren’t interpeting me, but making your own statement, so I say ‘ok’ and now you’re mad?
Go drink some green tea or something.
by FuturePants on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Did you start your Monday with an 8-ball? WTF?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm not. I'm perplexed.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
i agree with you up to a point
to me Feliz is a big wildcard..he is still young..hasnt prepared to start in a few years..coming off a meltdown that has wrecked many a pitcher..if i was rangers i would handle him with kid gloves and not rush him
I can't say I totally disagree with this, but everything we've heard from the FO is that he's going to the MLB rotation, not AAA.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
the only thing iv heard is they told him to prepare to start
everyone assumes they mean Majors…but they jumped on Nathan fast..they have a plan
Listen to JD's interview on Ben & Skin from Friday.
It’s in their podcast archives.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i also think he's in a better mental state that everyone thinks he is
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Because Harrison is cheaper and likely to be better
and healthier. Seems pretty simple to me. Putting Harrison in the bullpen and Oswalt in the rotation doesn’t make the team better, but it does make the team more expensive.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Harrison's value may be the highest it will ever be right now.
Harrison’s a pretty interesting sell-high candidate. I can see why the team would prefer to sign Oswalt to a one-year deal and deal Harrison right now. This is all assuming Harrison can bring back a return approaching what Gio was able to bring back in trade.
The return has to be very good
to warrant the deal, Harrison is cheap and good and will be for another 3 seasons.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
If given the choice of Harrison for the next 3 seasons
Or trading Harrison for 85% of the Gio trade value, say at least 1 Top 40 prospect, and rolling with Oswalt this year, I’d be comfortable with both.
I wouldn’t be mad in either case.
Harrison probably wont bring back a Gio return
Because hes not as good and not under team control as long
If they're going to trade Harry, I'd see what KC would give us back.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Profar AND Perez?
Dunno, seems a bit too much.
Would love to have him though. He’s right up there with McCutchen as “the guy I’d like to see in a Ranger jersey”
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think that would be a pretty good trade partner
Wonder if we could get Will Myers from them
Theres a guy who could replace Nellie in RF in 2 years when he leaves in FA
Surely they wouldn't trade us Myers for Harry...
I would do that in a heartbeat.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah I dont think they would
But he is coming off a down year which was affected by some leg/knee injuries if I remember correctly.
Rebounded in AFL, still a top 10-15 prospect.
Not happening.
by LiamP on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would throw in a young arm
With Harry to get him if they would even consider trading him.
But if they’re trading Wil Myers… they want a pitcher much better than Harry.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Better and more controllable.
Not sure why they’d pay to get 3 years of Harrison at this point.
by LiamP on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the biggest issue with using Oswalt as insurance is that's it's not a flexible option
It would be great if you could stash him in the minors or as a long reliever. You can’t. He’s Oswalt. Wash would never do it, Maddux would never do it.
This weird paradox. If you want SP depth, you really can’t rely on anybody proven. Can only youngsters who have no problem starting the season in AAA (Ramirez, Perez) or vets coming off of injury or a few years away from success (Harden, Webb, Astacios).
But I guess your question is why can’t you send Harrison somewhere else – and I have nothing more to contribute than what’s been already said. Harrison will be good next year.
All of our guy's in our current roto are pretty much high variance
But with Oswalt’s age, back issue, and the fact that he’ll be transitioning from NL to AL, I don’t see him being much lesser of a variance than our guys. Not only that, he’s a more expensive variance than ours. Signing an expensive high variance in case one of our cheaper variances blow isn’t exactly a logical move, if you ask me.
I think it’s pretty easy to see why signing Oswalt hardly makes any sense.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions
Well said
Oswalt is, if anything, less of a guarantee than the younger guys the Rangers already have, and more expensive to boot.
I am assuming that — just as with Fielder — the Rangers are only in on Oswalt if he comes at a team-friendly price. I’m not convinced they’re anywhere close to signing him unless his price is that low.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I'm not sure if I'd want him even at a low price
much rather would give our guys a chance than give Oswalt a spot in the roto.
If he’s willing to sign at a reaaaaaaally low price then I might consider. But seeing the reports of how he’s hoping someone offers him $10M, I highly doubt this will happen.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
The only way Oswalt makes sense for the Rangers
is as an insurance policy. If one of our young guys spectacularly flops in ST or if someone gets hurt, he’d be a nice guy to have around, but if our top 5 guys all do well in ST, then you’d like to either cut him or keep him on as a long man in case injuries happen in April or May.
If JD and Nolan can convince Roy Oswalt to sign a non-guaranteed (both roster spot and rotation spot not guaranteed) for cheap (perhaps incentive-laden), then I say we start construction on a Jon Daniels bronze statue at the intersection of Randol Mill and Ballpark Way.
For all the trepidation about Oswalt as a starter, you have to admit, he would be a pretty kick ass mop-up man.
He wouldn't
Unless JD ninjas him into it.
I was just saying what type of deal would make sense for the Rangers. Honestly, I think there’s a decent chance such a deal might work out for Oswalt. (in the sense that he might play a significant role on the team if not by the dollar about). I think there’s a decent chance that one of our 5 guys either struggles or gets injured. I hope not, but pitchers can be fickle, injury-prone creatures.
Now, obviously Oswalt probably isn’t going to see things that way, hence the bronze statue for JD if he could make it happen.
by dan2 on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the only holes we have i believe coming into the season are 1b and cf
the only way a trade helps is if we get someone to play now..we have several guys in the pipeline that will fill those needs in the coming years..
CF i'm ok with because they have Gentry who's awesome defensively
1b troubles me a bit as they don’t have anyone in the pipeline for that position.
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
CF is not a weakness
Martin is the internal candidate to make that a league average position, to begin the season or by the AS break.
The presence of Napoli and Young also make 1b a league average position or close enough, even if Moe turns out just to be a platoon bat; our lineup is laden with players way above league average at many spots.
I think the high variance roto is the biggest unknown but Holland and Harrison are much less high variance candidates than they were last year. All the 35 yo high leverage guys in the bullpen have a higher injury risk but with Ogando there, there will be at least one high leverage option to fall back on. ST will be important to see which of the young bullpen prospects who are ready to take the next step to the pen during the season.
What's going on in here
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by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
And JDT217 has been reduced (again) to posting pics to communicate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I actually found that gif very fitting
seriously loled
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 30, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Popcorn gifs are always amusing.
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Thanks, man.
It seemed apropos.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
You probably also thought it was a real knee-slapper when Galagher used to smash watermelons.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
What about Black Galagher
"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11
by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
If you do a GIS for Black Gallagher
the 14th image is Ron Washington.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Only you are that old
He prefers Black Gallagher.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
And for the record, I never called Aqua "fat"
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
It was being kicked around in one of the OTs and Aqua was whining about me
calling him fat when it never happened.
Furthermore, it’s very rare that I ever throw an insult at somebody unless they throw one (or more likely several) at me first.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I remember that conversation this weekend.
I’m sure he couldn’t careless what you think.
by lost in space on Jan 30, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...right.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 30, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Or does he??
He seems to in the past get a little fired up with good ole Josey.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 30, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I seriously doubt he cares
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
is this a sock puppet?
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doesn't appear to be.
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x
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by hornedfrogs45 on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Ranger discussions
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If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Jack White makes his solo album debut...
by hightowersmith on Jan 30, 2012 12:06 PM CST reply actions
Wow, about time.
After hearing he did something with Insane Clown Posse I kinda fell off his wagon.
by lost in space on Jan 30, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
as would
anyone with even a modicum of good taste in music. why would he waste his talents with those fuckups?
"If Josey were a composer, he’d be Salieri." t ball February 15, 2011
I really don't know....
trying to diversify his music I guess.
by lost in space on Jan 30, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Another reason we probably have more flexibility than we are giving the team credit
Largest guaranteed contracts currently on the Rangers (2012, going forward)
Beltre 5/66
Yu 6/56
Face 2/32
Josh 1/15
We are back-to-back AL Champs, we have a top minor league system, a payroll somewhere around $120M per year, a huge influx of guaranteed revenue soon to hit the books, and not a single extravagant contract on our books.
Our franchise is so well run, it’s absurd.
id rather
have a couple big contracts on the books so the future after 2012 isnt as much in doub
I mean...
we are going to field a team that it is projected to win as many or more than almost any other team in baseball, without a single huge contract. Alternatively, Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, and Tigers are striving to match the talent we put on the field, and they’ve done so by acquiring very regrettable contracts.
Why would you ever wish to be in that position? If we want to overpay to have that contract on our books, we can with Napoli, Hamilton, Kinsler, or some FA from next year’s class.
Here, Here.
Fiscal responsibility is erection inducing.
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"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
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