Oswalt’s a good bet to be a solid starter next year, but the Rangers already have six solid starters at the big league level. If, as rumored, they’d have to either move Harrison to the bullpen or make him available in trade, they should simply say thanks but no thanks. Oswalt makes sense for St. Louis, who have replaceable pitchers at the back-end of their rotation. Texas, though, simply doesn’t need him.
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Too bad it has to Nolan as the one guy who doesn't see it! =/
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I loved this quote:
In fact, there might only be one team where Oswalt wouldn’t represent an upgrade over someone currently penciled into their starting five – that team is the one that Oswalt is meeting with today,
How the times have changed.
by TRO_GT on Jan 30, 2012 5:28 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Tampa
But the overall point remains.
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by Prashanth Francis on Jan 30, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think you could argue Oswalt would be a upgrade over Davis and possibly Neimann
Of course that is not factoring in cost just results
I was going to make a quick post saying the sake thing but I'm at work.
Probably still will but you and Adam beat me.
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by philkid3 on Jan 30, 2012 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can't really say he's not an upgrade over Feliz
Since he’s never started a game in the majors. And before someone says neither has Yu, you know what I’m saying.
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by WyoRanger on Jan 30, 2012 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
once again.. funny because of your user name
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't even read the post
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 6:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
AM; dr
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 30, 2012 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
assmaster; didn't read
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by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 30, 2012 6:12 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Harrison to the Twins?
According to LindsayGuentzel (Twins reporter)
Likely scenario: Oswalt signs with Rangers, Texas then trades for a young outfielder. Harrison could land with Twins, my source says.
She says there are talks ongoing but not an official trade in the works yet. She also claims that the Rangers would get exactly what they want in this deal. Who would the Rangers want from the Twins that’s an OF. Span? Morneau in years gone by but not in the present?
how much of an upgrade in CF would he really be
Looking at his numbers last year, I’m not that impressed. Low BA, Low OPS. Is a Harrison for Span deal worth it?
Maybe if they didn't have Leonidas Martin?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't do it...
Also, where did you hear about this?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 30, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
x
https://twitter.com/#!/LindsayGuentzel
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
drat
https://twitter.com/#!/LindsayGuentzel
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
She mentions AA or higher...
Joe Benson perhaps?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It reads like she talked to someone who said
if the Rangers do sign Oswalt (doubtful, right?) then they would look to unload Harrison or another pitcher for an OF and Minn is really one of a few teams who need a 3-5 pitcher and have an outfielder they want to get rid of.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Yeah, I don't think it means too much...
But it’s something we’ve sort of speculated on as well. Plus, Matt Harrison was born to be a Minnesota Twin.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 30, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
McCutchen obviously
LindsayGuentzel
According to my source: Rangers are looking for a young outfielder, top AA prospect or higher. No names yet.
I don't think it's an "and".
I think it’s OF prospect… at least at AA.
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I would
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Ich auch.
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by Aqua on Jan 30, 2012 8:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They did just sign Gritty McEx-Astro to a one year deal...
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And Laynce with an Y and JMJ are apparently going to be their LF platoon
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I've said it before
And I’ll say it again. Take this with a massive grain of salt. I know Lindsay personally. She doesn’t have sources.
Does not, correct?
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
She does not have sources.
At least not anyone legitimate. She might have a friend who works for the Twins, maybe an assistant in the baseball operations department or something, who’s giving her an opinion. That is just a guess.
She’s really just trying to break into the biz and get on MLB Fan Cave.
I really don't understand why anyone's taking her reportage seriously.
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by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jan 31, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't do the trade
Looking at the top 5 teams with the worst ERA. Balt finishes 1st and KC finishes 4th.
I would only do a deal along the lines of Harrison, Uehara, and a player for A. Jones or E. Hosmer.
I know I might over value Harrison but other young starters that were traded this offseason went for a nice premium. If we keep Harrison and he has another solid year. His value would skyrocket even more.
Until I see Feliz...
…working the strikezone with 2+ pitches, I’m convinced that a healthy Oswalt would be an upgrade. At least at first. I’m one of the few who thinks Feliz needs 50 or so innings at AAA first.
Feliz isn't getting moved from the rotation
that seems pretty clear at this point.
last spring Feliz seemed ready to start
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
First of all, Feliz at least has some track record of having more than two pitches in the past
Second, did you not see what Ogando and Pineda did last year?
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
They were working the zone.
If you can hit your spots you can get away with two pitches.
by Black Francis on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
But your original statement is wrong:
Until I see Feliz…working the strikezone with 2+ pitches, I’m convinced that a healthy Oswalt would be an upgrade
Feliz has a good enough fastball that he could probably be pretty decent if he lived off of it a great majority of the time, at least for a while.
Feliz has also shown in the past that he has other pitches; even if he only gets them up to ‘show’ status, it’s not like we’ve never seen them.
Furthermore, we don’t have any idea how healthy Oswalt is. Given his age and supposed cost, it seems unlikely to me that he is being thought of as much more than an average to somewhat above average pitcher.
I’m not saying it’s a lock, but you’re far too confident the other way.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Oswalt
He could easily twinge something in spring training and be out of commission for weeks or months. He’d be the worst health risk among the rotation.
I also can’t understand the assumption that Feliz will -and let there be no doubt about it - lack control. This doesn’t make sense to me. In 2009 and 2010 he had an excellent walk rate. In 2011 he struggled at times, particularly against righties. This seems fixable to me and I’m not going to throw out his minor league history and the first two MLB seasons in favor of 2011 when deciding how capable he is of throwing strikes, and quality strikes at that.
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You guys aren't seeing this objectively
It’s not about walks. It’s about throwing the pitch and knowing where it’s going to end up. Coming out of the pen and facing three or four batters, he can get by with wildness because he throws so hard. For a whole year he didn’t have command of the zone. Until I see that it’s fixed, I cannot assume that it is, and the shit I saw all last year isn’t going to cut it as a starting pitcher. His career up until 2011 showed that he can get things under control, so I’m not writing him off for good or anything like that. He has extraordinary talent and I do believe he’ll be a very good starting pitcher someday. I’m just not convinced he’s there yet.
And I’ve said IF Oswalt is healthy he’s an upgrade. I’m not a fan of signing injured players. Oswalt doesn’t exactly thrill me, but there’s a reason that the Rangers are looking at him and I doubt they’re more concerned about Harrison than they are about Feliz.
In fact, Feldman may be a better option than either of them to start 2012. During the playoffs he came out throwing harder than I can remember him ever throwing and he had good movement, too. If they don’t want Ogando in the rotation, he’s probably the best option if they want Feliz in AAA to refine some things. Because what if Feliz is mowing guys down in RR? I don’t think you can leave him down there. You have to promote him but what are you going to do with Oswalt? By now Feldman has to be used to being a swing man.
by Black Francis on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
so you want to put Feliz in AAA
Harrison in the bullpen, Oswalt and Feldman in the rotation. When Feliz is ready, he goes into the rotation. I don’t know that jerking around Harrison or Feliz or Feldman (even though he’s used to it) is a good idea at this point for the sake of Oswalt.
I don’t think anyone thinks Feliz is going to be an ace from the start, or even by the end of 2012, but he has the upside to warrant a spot in this rotation, and as compared to a normal #5, he will more than adequately hold his own. It seems as though, instead of a competition, the Rangers just said, “you are going to be a starter, and get yourself fit and in that frame of mind,” as that seemed to be the main issue last season as to why he didn’t become a starter. That, and Ron Washington loves a “proven” closer.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
That's not what I said.
I think Harrison has earned his spot. I’d like it if Feliz would show he’s improved his command before he’s handed a spot. So Oswalt or Feldman in his place until he does, and since you can’t really do that to Oswalt, the best option may be to have Feldman at #5 until Feliz is ready to take it.
I don’t think starting Feliz in AAA would be jerking him around. You tell him he’s going down there to get ready to take a spot in the rotation.
by Black Francis on Jan 31, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I also feel that what you saw out of Feliz in his relief roles isn't exactly what you will see from him as a starter.
He came out of the pen with the mindset of throwing 100 and getting it close because they weren’t going to hit it and he needed only 3 outs.
Starting, I assume, he will be wanting to throw 95-96 and know much better about where he will be wanting to locate the ball. I’m assuming that’s what this whole offseason was about and what he will be working on. While I understand your desire to see him in AAA to work on this exact thing, I think he is polished enough now to work on control and accuracy at the big league level.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
The problem with that is
If hes throwing 95-96 ML hitters can sit on that and hurt it. Especially if his secondary stuff is not good enough to both throw for strikes and get the hitter off sitting dead red
I disagree it's not objective
or, at least, it’s not any less objective than your opinion. I might be wrong, but I’m not being any less objective about it than you are.
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I think you're being optimistic and that's great.
You did say yourself that he struggled with his command in 2011. I hope it was a season long aberration but I don’t think it was.
I guess we’ll know more in a few weeks.
by Black Francis on Jan 31, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I expect him to struggle some with it in 2012
but I don’t think that’s a reason to send him to AAA. I think his struggles will be annoying to us to watch at times, but no worse than the ups and downs of Holland last year.
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Harrison for Anthony Gose +
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Replace Gose with Marisnick and add Wojo
wouldja
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It's just hard for me to properly gauge Harrison's value
Last year was the first year he did anything useful and there’s not really anything in his plate approach profile that explains the massive BB% drop
>Same zone%
>Same contact%
>same swing%
>first strike% went up but a little
but it’s not like there’s a supermegahuge sample from before this to go upon
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You look at Harrison's monthly splits last year?
I posted them in the morning thread, but it suggests that he could be trending in the right direction.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'll go take a look
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so nobody else has to trudge through that thread
FIP | xFIP
Apr: 4.54 | 4.25
May: 4.51 | 4.95
Jun: 3.57 | 3.93
Jul: 2.91 | 3.12
Aug: 2.92 | 3.59
Sep: 2.73 | 3.41
That’s actually pretty awesome and unexpected. Dude was awesome his last ~100 innings.
Wonder what his season looks like if you take out that crap May
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I remember talking about that in the middle of the season.
He was phenomenal and consistent from start to start.
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Weird seeing a Ranger pitcher having his xFIP higher than his FIP
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
CJ was the same way.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Mmm hmmm...
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Is there a place to see plate discipline monthly splits?
Would that even be useful
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Heh, I'm not sure
Seems like it would be pretty noisy…I’m not sure when those ‘stabilize’
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
i just want to see if there's a correlation
between the decreasing FIPS and a possible increasing Zone%
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Eh
There are different ways to have a great FIP…nibblers can just like worm burners can.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
For pitchers or batters?
For batters it’s very low, something like 100 PAs for OoZ%
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Pitchers
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Harrison for Dominic Brown
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Heh.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
This is crazy
Harrison is good. really good. it would be crazy to move him to the pen or trade him when everyone knows we have to.
we don't have to
and it would be stupid to trade him without getting a decent haul. Harrison has 3 years of control left. Signing Oswalt to a 1 year deal and trading Harrison for something lackluster would be a mistake. Especially since, if we trade Harrison, I’d still rather see Ogando start than Oswalt, but I suppose Ogando has some time to work in the rotation after this year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The thing that confuses me is
What happens for 2013? Instead of having Perez and Ramirez competing to fill Colby Lewis’ spot, you need both? I guess there is always Feldman and Ogando, too, but…I’d rather trade Feldman or Ogando.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Feldman's option isn't going to get picked up.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ah, k, forgot the contract details,
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Also... I don't think Ogando's future is the rotation.
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Would be nice if some other team with a nice outfield prospect did
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(Or 1B)
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Prior to Detroit going full retard
and WAS extending Morse, I seriously thought WAS was going to sign Prince and we were going to trade for Morse
Like, I was comically confident
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Hahah.
Seems so obvious, no? I felt like there were a few of us around here talking about it for a while…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
There aren't many elite 1B prospects nowadays are there
I’m pretty high on Alonso, Rizzo ehhhhhhhh
Still like Belt too
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Just want to make sure it gets mentioned.
Maybe some guy who projects to be defensively limited? I dunno.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure there is at least one team out there
who is willing to take on a guy with slashes of 3.51 / 3.65 / 3.94 and 6.71 / 2.29 / 0.85 in his rookie season as a starter… with 5 years of cheap control remaining.
Why are you pretty sure of that?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
That doesn't mean that the results he produced
With horrible LD rate and unsustainable BABIP would be repeated.
I think they’d probably trust their scouting more than his FanGraphs snapshot.
And we don’t know what those teams scouts think of Ogando as a long term starter.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So you are confident that scouts think that the #5's above
have a ceiling higher than what Ogando did last season?
Give me a hypothetical deal to the Dbacks or Indians.
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No.
I think Pirates and Cubs are unlikely suitors because of timetable. Dbacks and Indians could make sense.
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I mean.
Can we do better than Denard fucking Span?
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We're not trading for Span.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why so sure?
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Because we've spent a lot of money on Leonys
Span isn’t that great. He’s got 3 + an option left in his contract which isn’t bad… but isn’t great value either.
I’d be very surprised if we traded a starter for Span.
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Agreed.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
I don't feel like researching trade ideas
I’m just saying, even if you have major hesitations about Ogando as a starter, he’s shown a great ceiling, and you know you fall back on him as a dominant bullpen arm.
These teams started some very awful players last season, and Ogando would be an upgrade, and would not increase payroll.
Sure...
But are they going to pay significantly to acquire Ogando as though he is a long term starter?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Did I say they would pay significantly?
I said they’d be interested in him as a starter with solid upside and 5 years of cheap control.
If they aren't willing to pay for what a starter like that is worth...
Why trade him?
Monkey’s point was for some team to think he’s got a long term future as a starter and pay accordingly.
Because if he IS a long term starter… the price for a guy with 5 years of team control and his fastball / slider combo is rather steep.
I suspect we couldn’t get enough value from a team to make it worth it though.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
To us, he's worth what a high-end bullpen arm is worth
so why should we only trade him if we can only get in return the value of a can’t-miss, long-term SP?
What is a high end bullpen arm worth?
Don’t answer… I’ve been working on a discussion thread on this for a bit. Planning on making it tomorrow.
But I think you may be shocked at how few high end bullpen arms even exist.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So is your claim that:
(a) we shouldn’t trade him, because high end bullpen arms aren’t valued appropriately on the market?
or
(b) we can’t afford to lose him as a high-end bullpen arm?
Tomorrow.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm sure your analysis is better than mine
but I have his 2010 FIP as a reliever (3.05) placing 35th out of all MLB relievers…
I look forward to the discussion in the discussion thread.
And it’s not specifically about Ogando… but inspired by it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Part of this
is because they don’t often have the health to stay around long enough to establish a true value.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
I am highly ambivalent
And it would be surprising if all 30 teams thought like youmdo.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
GB, did you read but the extent of VMart's injuries?
Microfracture now & MCL/ACL rebuild in 2 months…woah.
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I saw the headline.
Yeah, he’s not going to be heard from for a while, even as a DH.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, bad news for him
Great non-signing though, huh?
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Well,
I’m not going to thump my chest when a contract I didn’t think would work out doesn’t work out because a player gets a potentially career-ending injury. I would like to point out that he didn’t stick at Catcher near as long as the defenders of that contract predicted.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
Agree 100%
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
And it's worth noting that he justified his value in year one.
He just didn’t rack up the sort of surplus value you would’ve hoped to see given the contract, his age, and the history of catchers aging (even if he hasn’t played as much catcher as some of the stalwarts).
On the injury: given its nature, I’m assuming it has little to do with the wear and tear Martinez racked up behind the plate, but I’m not sure how safe an assumption that is.
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I don't think that's a safe assumption.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Well, in that case,
you could take some “credit” for being right about how well the contract is working out, since catching-related injury should’ve been a part of the Tigers’ calculations, no?
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I thought about this...
…but he spent so very little time at catcher with them. I guess you could say that they should have anticipated that his previous wear and tear from being a catcher would catch up with him, but he wasn’t exactly an ironman at catcher throughout his career…
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sure.
It may not be grounds for chest-thumping, but it is something to think about.
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Direct quote from my source regarding Oswalt & Texas: “He wants to play for Nolan so bad, it’s funny.”
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You know what'd be funny?
Oswalt agreeing to a 1-year, $1M, you’ll-pitch-in-the-bullpen-if-we-say-so deal.
That’d be funny.
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That be incredible
I’d sign him to a 1-year, $8M deal, if he understands he might pitch in the bullpen
It might prevent the club from making a trade at the deadline
Due to payroll. I’d rather have the flexibility.
$1M is not going to keep the club from making a deadline deal due to payroll.
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YU ARE GOING TO NEED A BETTER PICK UP LINE
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
They probably do.
They just weren’t going 9 years on nobody.
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Yeah.
The backup plan is likely a combination of Young and Napoli, just like last season. I just wish there were other options. (Well. There are — just not cheap.)
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There are worse places to be...
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
This
Also, our offense was top-3 in the league with Morebad, so I’d say that’s less of a concern than replacing a pitcher, if one goes down.
Morebad is ok...
But I’d go with Lessbat if we’re changing his name.
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Oswalt is just as, if not more, likely to go down with an injury
than any of the Rangers’ current starting pitchers.
Especially if he gets switched from the ’pen to the rotation suddenly.
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Or if he catches the AIDS.
That could really set him back.
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Specifics aren't important, I don't think
I was just trying to make the point that it would be an ideal set-up
I was just responding in kind
My $8M figure was to emphasize the point that that would be an idea set-up.
I realize $1M is better than $8M
Regardless of whether or not he understands he'll be yo-yoed, doesn't mean he'll be particularly adept at it.
8mm for that risk, plus the injury risk, and no thanks.
Yeah, I didn't read Jobu's post closely enough.
I wouldn’t be happy with an $8M deal.
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I'd live with it. . .
. . . because it would be coming off the books, and if it happens I would assume it would be because the Rangers have a better handle on their finances than I do and are okay with spending it.
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Forget Oswalt.
(Yeah, that’s right: it’s an article that combines baseball and Zambia.)
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Very cool. Great people.
(and everyone wants to forget Roy :)
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Kidnapped and beheaded by African rebels operating in Zambia, eh?
That would certainly be… surprising.
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DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S A CONTINENT OF VIOLENT REBELS, TOPLESS TRIBESWOMEN AND MALNOURISHED CHILDREN???
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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 31, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think a jet ski shop would do well there?
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Placing him with ~99 percent of the world, I'd bet...
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 7:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Uhhh?
“Oswalt’s a good bet to be a solid starter next year”
On what #s from last year are they basing this bet? His loss in velicity, the higher whip and BA, or the ever reliable “AGE 36” production increase?
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
Well lets see
- His velocity was up at the end of the year as he got healthier, hitting 95 in his final regular season start.
- Its technically his age 34 season.. still on the decline and a serious injury concern, but none the less its not 36.
- One year of a spiked babip/average after a low number the previous year isn’t particularly damning, especially if his velocity is back up. Even with the average, his WHIP was still certainly “solid starter” level.
- Hes one year removed from a 193:55 K:BB season and had a very strong 51:15 after the break last year.
Hoping for another 2010 would be a bad bet and obviously back issues are big, but “good bet to be a solid starter” doesn’t sound too off to me. Especially if it were in the NL Central with the cards…
I don't think Cameron is saying another 2010 is the bet.
That’s beyond solid. He was solid in 2011, despite fewer than 140 innings, and I think that’s what he’s saying the good bet is; another 2011.
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