Tuesday Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 31, 2012 8:01 AM CST
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Good morning. Here is what is out there today as we continue Oswalt Watch 2012:
Anthony Andro writes about Ron Washington agreeing to a new two-year contract extension. Located within is this enjoyable quote from Jon Daniels about Washington: "All baseball, all the time. No pretense. No BS."
On that front, Richard Durrett writes about the bond that has been forged between Daniels and Washington over the years.
Behind the DMN paywall, Evan Grant has a piece on how Washington's latest extension provides some stability that the Rangers have generally lacked.
Gerry Fraley updates us on the Oswalt situation and has a quote from Oswalt's agent saying Oswalt and the Rangers had a "very good meeting" yesterday. T.R. Sullivan writes that the meeting was "exploratory."
Sullivan also has a piece on as many as ten potential rotation options for the Rangers should they sign Oswalt. Sullivan gives his credentials, concerns, and outlook for each potential rotation member.
MLB.com's Lyle Spencer runs down the teams that appear interested in Oswalt and writes that signing Oswalt would be about adding options for the Rangers.
Jeff Wilson has some notes about Washington's extension, the Oswalt meeting, and MLB changing some game times on the Rangers' schedule.
Finally, Durrett continues his positional outlook and focuses on center field today. Durrett concludes that center could be one of the more interesting positions to watch this spring.
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Let's just not sign Oswalt
And forget about all these scenarios.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
"Exploratory" meeting for a free agent on Jan 30
At a position that has had a 110 million dollar addition and no injuries/setbacks.
Interesting.
The Rangers are clearly just doing Oswalt a favor in trying to drive up the price for other teams
I just can’t believe that they have any real intention of signing him.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I think Oswalt is absolutely using the Rangers to drive up the price...
He’s 34…he’s pitching in 2012 on a 1-year deal with hopes of driving up his price for his last multi-year (2-3 yrs) deal in 2013.
Why would he want to switch leagues? I mean, it could happen…but…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
They were exploring his willingness to pitch in the bullpen.
lefthanded.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
berg:
Happy Birthday to Hall of Famers Nolan Ryan, Jackie Robinson, and Ernie Banks, to former Ranger Francisco Oliveras, and to maybe-future-Ranger Josh Johnson.
If Newberg ever made a mix tape for Josh Johnson, he’d definitely include Black Keys Never Gonna Give You Up
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
by jam0152 on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I could see him standing outside Josh Johnsons window
with a boombox over his head
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
With a heart-shaped box of chocolates?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Please
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
I love Josh Johnson
but he just is too injury prone at this point, and who knows how he’ll recover from his recent injury. I don’t want him when he’s Brandon Webb
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't see why we have to wait until 2013
Only two managers (Bobby Valentine, Johnny Oates) have more wins with the club than Washington’s 427 and if the team’s recent run of success continues, the record for wins (581) should fall sometime in 2013.
155-7 in 2012
I like the way you think!
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by spliffy on Jan 31, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If only the Astros were to join the AL West starting this season...
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 8:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We only need 155
Seven more is just salt on the wound
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 9:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hell, the Rangers will dominate other teams so badly
they’ll reach that point for Wash by mid June
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
We'll defy mathematics
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've been too busy lately to follow thread discussions
can anyone summarize for me LSB’s stance against signing Oswalt and trading Harrison for a Gio Gonzalez-esqu haul?
by alon91 on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Harrison will not net us a Gonzalez-esque haul
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
pretty much
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
What is "Gio-lite" exactly
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Harrison is worth the full Miller High Life
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
If the signing comes after a Harrison trade, then so be it
If we try to trade Harrison after an Oswalt signing, it seems like we’ve lost any leverage.
Yep
and I don’t doubt they’ve been fielding calls on Harrison, but they just haven’t found the package they’re looking for.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'm coming to the conclusion that they are not really in on Oswalt...
It just doesn’t make sense at all IMHO….Oswalt is not a part of this team’s future, he’s an injury waiting to happen and Harrison would probably either be traded or moved back to the BP….it just doesn’t add up….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing, imo
JD is always going to be a bargain hunter.
If he can get good value for Harrison, and then get a 3 WAR season out of Oswalt for $5M, then it’s a win for the franchise (arguably).
But I don't think there's any way they get Oswalt for $5m....
Reports were that St Louis was offering about $7m….I can’t see him taking $2m less to come to the Rangers
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't think JD has any interest in a bidding war, based on the news reports
not that I know for sure…it just seems like the Rangers are interested if Oswalt so wants to play with the Rangers, that he would sign for cheap.
It could be a $5m guarantee
with incentives that can take it up to $10m.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I don't think that they are in on Oswalt simply because this has been tooooo public
not the Rangers Front Office MO. Now are they working on something else while everyone is watching Oswalt?
by LBBRangerFan on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Good point....reminds me of the Fielder meeting a couple of weeks ago...
We’re just sitting around one day and then all of a sudden, Fielder is in town meeting with the Rangers…this Oswalt meeting was broadcast for days….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Fielder made sense though for the Rangers
not at the price he signed for, but still, he made sense from a team need standpoint.
Oswalt makes no sense.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Saying he makes "no sense" isn't exactly true.
This team is young and has a guy who spent most of his time in Japan playing big league ball as the oldest.
Oswalt gives the team a veteran who can watch the kids when the coaches are doing their thing elsewhere. I’m not saying it’s a fantastic reason to sign him and kick Harrison to the curb, but it’s certainly refutes the “no sense” part.
MY can’t be in two places at once.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
this team is young and our starters
are trending upwards. There just isn’t room for Oswalt. Even if we unload Harrison, I wouldn’t want Oswalt above Ogando.
How does signing Oswalt to be a babysitter make sense?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think it might make sense if Colby was the odd man out of the roto
But that doesn’t seem to be likely.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I could see this
but I still see Colby as a better option at this point considering the difference in price tag, and Colby’s ability to pitch 200 innings.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yeah I agree
Colby’s making a little over $3M this season. Oswalt is looking to make $10M, and probably will get at least $8M. I’m really not sure if Oswalt will be that much of an upgrade over Colby.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Especially a healthy Colby....
Which, apparently, they did not have last season….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
This team is young? Hardly. Sure, they have some young pitchers
but most of the every day players are in their 30s (Kinz joins them in June).
I’m not sure what Oswalt has left but signing him makes sense if they’re going to then trade either Harrison or Holland for a nice package of young position players who will be here post 2012.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
He's pretty clearly talking about or pitching staff being young
which they are.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He said "this team" but thanks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
He's talking about how Oswalt doesn't have much of a place on this team
Why would anyone think Hamilton’s and Cruz’s ages are relevant whatsoever?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Beltre, Face, Napoli, Yorvit, Murphy are all 30+ and Kinz joins them in June.
If anything, the position players are old.
Agreed on the pitching…it’s fairly young.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I read "team"
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Josey's never wrong
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I've been wrong in here before although I wasn't wrong
yesterday when I mentioned JD’s track record when it comes to signing Rangers that hit free agency…you were wrong and wouldn’t admit it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
This is a baby's reaction
to a simple misreading.
>Avoid admitting fault.
>Semi-justify the mis-reading
>Continue to claim you did nothing wrong
>Point to what the other person has done wrong in the past.
Jeez, get over it
This is what always cracks me up about the people who try defending Josey in any way
Look at this little shit storm he made by simply refusing to admit he didn’t read a post carefully and just wanted to troll.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He read it carefully, he just wanted another chance to bitch about our position players being old
And point out the perceived failure of JD and company to lock them up.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm pretty sure he didn't
I think he just read the first few words of the post and saw a chance to post one of his usual troll points. Then when he got called out on it, he refuses to admit that all he wanted to do was troll the board some more.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
No, I was merely pointing out the track record.
See Vast Segments note.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
For what purpose?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I wasn't wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK....
IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
That post said the word “team” not pitching staff.
FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE HAVE RUINED A PERFECTLY GOOD SITE TO GET DECENT UP TO DATE RANGERS NEWS because some of ya’ll just can’t let your egos be tarnished.
A bunch of pussies is what I smell.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 31, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
me and JW were arguing about something else
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
pussy
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Hey Buddy
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Wow, 2 words...
better than the 1 word " I don’t have a real response because I just got called out for being a fucking idiot" response by a couple of others.
by Buddy Smokes on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
If you want to respond to me
you hit the reply button under my post. You seem to have had trouble with that multiple times now.
x
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
we fucking proved you wrong.
go back and read the thread
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Except that he's never wrong
I thought that was the Rule #1
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
GMJ, Bradley, DeRosa, Rogers, Padilla...the track record is very clear...just say you were wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
not one of those players were the core of the team
thats laughable.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
And when JD truly values a player and
wants him to become a part of the long-term future, he doesn’t fuck around…see the 5/80 he gave Face two seasons (!!!) before he hit free agency.
Just tip your cap and admit you were wrong.
- For Vast Segments….this argument did NOT pertain to whether or not letting those players go (or sign them in VPadilla’s case) was a good decision by JD.
It was merely to illustrate JD’s track record with Rangers that hit free agency.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
core players
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Track record
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
this reminds me
of the old SNL skit debate between Dukakis and Bush where Bush just kept repeating Stay the course, 1000 points of light…
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
"I can't believe I'm losin' to this guy!"
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And we should probably add CJ to that list.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
CJ is what brought up the convo
i’m done w/ this JW. I’ll have baseball convo’s w/ you but this is dumb. talk about something else.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Don't go away mad...just don't be afraid to admit when you're wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Love it
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oh wait.......
Your never wrong. You will never admit it so you telling someone to just admit their wrong is very comical and makes me laugh after a hard days work.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Like when he says his information blender will do a better job at predicting the oncoming season than anything else?
SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!
When did I say that about my information
blender or are you lying once again?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He did that once
and then his dad told him to man up because only liberal pussies admit to misreading things.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Go complain to Big Ed again.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
PLA
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
And Josey was talking trading Matt or Dutch for young positional players to decrease the age of the "team"
What he said was on point.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 31, 2012 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
only after he decided to throw out that the team wasn't young
which clearly misses the point of the previous post.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
The previous post started with "this team is young and our starters are trending upwards"
He pointed out the positional players are not young.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
Yep
I see nothing wrong with what Josey posted and while it appears obvious they were talking about the pitching staff they kept writing “team”.
But that gave them the opportunity to jump on Josey and shit up another thread so they couldn’t pass it up
But that gave them the opportunity to jump on Josey and shit up another thread so they couldn’t pass it up
As a “TEAM”…… WE ALL FUCK UP THREADS WHEN REPLYING TO JOSEY!!!!!
Yes I am yelling because even our statements are adding to whatever these guys are arguing about now. And to just sit here and say that everyone else ruined a thread is stupid, imo. Adds to the character of LSB.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Yeah....I wasn't talking about the Fielder signing,
I was just contrasting how closely to the vest the FO was playing the Fielder meeting as opposed to this meeting with Oswalt….it just sounds more and more like Oswalt is using the Rangers and the Rangers look (to me) like willing accomplices….they may have actual interest but it’s not at $8-$10 mil (at least I hope that’s the case)
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Leverage
Did the A’s really have leverage with the Gio trade? Everyone knew he was getting traded.
That said, Harrison doesn’t pull that kind of return to start with, but I don’t think it’s because of leverage.
Good point
The A’s still could have waited to trade him until the trade deadline, etc.
Teams would know the Rangers need to trade Harrison asap, unless the team is legitimately considering moving him to the bullpen, which seems so nuts.
Harrison's numbers as a reliever
46.1 IP, 4.08 ERA, 27 K (5.2 K/9), 25 BB. A small sized sample, but it’s not attractive. Looking at the splits, he isn’t all that effective against lefties. Plus, he doesn’t strike out guys all that much. I’m really not sure if he’ll make a decent LOOGY if he were to be sent to the pen.
If he’s moved to the pen, then I’m going to throw up.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
He is not a sprinter.
He is a distance runner—to use a track analogy.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
and Gio is considered the superior pitcher
with 1 more year of control, so he has more value, but Harrison, if traded, should bring a nice return. I wouldn’t settle. There are certain times, as well, where it is prudent to sell high. This might be that time with Harrison. Although, I think Harrison will continue to have success.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I think I would marry Wash, were he not a male of the species.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
A snip from Frankie P's scout report on MOlt.
Summation
Clearly the ticket to the big leagues for Olt is his big right-handed bat, but he’s also a solid athlete with good hands in the infield. Given Texas’ offensive strength, where he ends up on the field is a significant question, but he does have the physical skills required to play third base. But, this is a 25-30 home run bat who will drive in runs in the big leagues, and that profile plays anywhere on the diamond.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
New helium infusion. Excellent.
Maybe he can centerpiece our next blockbuster deal.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
MOlten lava......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
Everyone else I’ve read suggests that Olt’s ticket to the big leagues is clearly his defense at the hot corner.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Maybe their thinking he has max value if he sticks there.
Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!
I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.
yeah
I know 3b is tough to stick at regardless, but that seems to be one of his lesser concerns (not that he has all that many concerns at all). Maybe the significant question is where he plays because of Beltre?
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Yeah, this is the most bat-heavy report I've seen of Olt
and it almost minimizes his abilities at third. I have a hard time going along with his bat being “clearly” his ticket to the big leagues.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
exactly
I think that’s an unfair and unrealistic expectation. And in any case, I’m not interested in a bat that will “drive in runs”, I’m interested in a bat that will hit the ball hard, get on base and avoid too many outs.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I know some LSB folks absolutely love Frankie Piliere,
but I don’t think this is the first time I’ve wondered where he’s coming from on a Rangers prospect.
Am I just unluckily missing his better reports?
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I figured out the link text... IDK about the twitter link, seems crazy....
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So, Oswalt...
Do you think we are looking for prospects for Harrison, or prospects + pieces? Like a UIF, loogy, plus a low level high upside guy?
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More likely the second one
if i’s just prospects, the main guy will be close to the majors, though. And probably an outfielder.
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by Conjunction on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
i read where they were shopping Harry
and looking for CF..but it didnt come about..with CF and 1B i dont think they trade him unless it helps one of those areas now
Should we be upset about missing this guy?
Indians acquired 1B Russ Canzler from the Rays for cash considerations.
Canzler was designated for assignment by the Rays last week in order to clear a 40-man roster spot for infielder Jeff Keppinger. The 25-year-old posted a promising 314/.401/.530 batting line with 18 home runs, 40 doubles and 83 RBI in 131 games last year at Triple-A Durham.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
Everyone knows we need a 1b
I imagine the Indians contacted JD about acquiring him for actual prospects before he sold him for petty cash amounts.
You mean Rays?
Why would the Indians contact JD
They might contact JD now that they have this guy.
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25 HR's for Mitch if he's healthy and gets 500 plate appearances in 2012.
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by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
How many feet per HR?
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I'm not 100%
But I think this jab is in reference to an argument that was had months ago. And I say good show.
I hear that once he gets healthy...
he is going to start working on reducing his individual homerun power to increase the quantity of homeruns relative to his total homerun distance he has allocated to him.
.396 babip led to that line
can you spell rays are selling high?
It is the only way I will sell
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That's why I was asking, I have never heard of him.
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So Ogando back to the bullpen because he only has 2 pitches...
hasnt neftali only thrown a fastball and a slider his entire career? (2 pitches?) and he throws his fastball like 85% of the time…
What am I missing there….. do they think he is more durable and will develop a curve or change up or something?
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM CST reply actions
Feliz had 3 pitches when he originally got called up
his secondaries have regressed the last 2 years out of the ‘pen as he didn’t use them as much
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Bring back Bengie Molina to be his personal catcher....
Molina will get him to throw that off-speed stuff….
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
yeah..thats what iv been saying all along
i think the FO is determined to put him in rotatation to be starter..but i dont think its gonna be at majors to begin with..he is still young..why not let him develop..we dont have pressing need..thats what i think the oswalt interest is..let him see what he has and if he is going strong at RR bring him up if not use oswalt
It's not that simple.
What if Feliz dominates at AAA but Oswalt is in Texas blocking a rotation spot? What do you do then?
The Rangers apparently believe Feliz can be successful now and want to give him that shot. Bringing in Oswalt without trading someone else (like Harrison) takes that opportunity away. You don’t just sign Oswalt and then jettison him down the road if he’s pitching well, and that leaves someone out.
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thats what i think the exploratory is on the contract and how they
think he will fit..see if he would consider a contract thats not no trade..possible trade him to someone at deadline while bringing up feliz if he is going good..
Feliz to AAA
IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
You don’t take a guy with two years of major-league service time as one of the AL’s better closers, and send him to AAA for “development.” That’s a huge slap in the face to the player.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Very true
Feliz had mixed feelings about starting in the past. The Rangers want him to start because they feel it is the best way to use him.
I don’t see any way that sending him down to AAA doesn’t make him sour on starting. This isn’t a Feliz attitude thing – it’s common sense. Why would anyone want to go from a role where they were an All Star to having to pitch in the minor leagues? That would seem like setting the whole thing up for failure.
Ding, ding, ding
“Why would anyone want to go from a role where they were an All Star to having to pitch in the minor leagues?”
Exactly. It’s not about Feliz’ feelings. He’s proven he belongs in the majors, and then some. CJ didn’t go to AAA to make the transition to starter, and neither should Feliz.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
so your saying its best for the team to get the shit kicked out of it
every 5th day because we dont want to hurt his feelings?..that dont make sense
That's quite a leap
to assume that Feliz will just be a disaster.
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well he wasnt lights out in the minors
and if they thought he was a TORP..then he wouldnt have been a closer..now 2 years later..he is gona be dominate in the majors?..his stats trending down?..what part makes you think he is gona suddenly reverse course?
what makes you so certain he can't?
I’m not certain he will, but you seem awfully sure he’s going to suck without time in AAA.
If he needs to be in AAA the team will put him there. They will be able to see his stuff up close and know his head in spring training. What we see on tv is just the tip of the iceberg. I don’t see any reason to just assume he can’t be at least an adequate 5th starter coming out of spring training, with the potential to get much better. I’d rather he face major league hitters and have to step up than face inferior competition after 2 1/2 seasons in the majors.
How about we actually get to spring training and see what happens before we opine so strongly on what we think the team should do?
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i dont know he cant...this is just me thinking..after what happend
in game 6..i just dont know what will happen to his psychy if he isnt successful at the big league level..id rather use getting him used to starting as an excuse to send him down now than to have to deal with it later if he cant handle it..and risk ruining him, especially when there is no hurry right now
And this is partly why I'm apt to disagree with you
I feel like many have an emotional reaction to this based on some very important games last fall (in addition to his struggles off and on over the regular season). That’s not a good place to make this decision from. I don’t need “an excuse” to send him down to AAA, I ONLY do that if it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Feliz is a veteran now, and one who has been very successful overall in his career.
I think sending him down is something you do only if you are absolutely certain he is completely incapable of growing into the role at the major league level. Like Harrison and Holland did last year. I feel pretty confident that his talent will win out, and that facing major league hitters will help that happen sooner.
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i agree to a point...but i think Feliz is a very important
part to the rangers future..he is a veteran reliever..whose stats are trending down..now to rush him to be a starter..could be recipe for disaster..i mean..id love to have a mariano type reliever for 10 more years..but they have jumped ship on that..now we are hoping he immediately trends into a starter..hopefully he rises to the occasion and il eat crow happily but i think he is gona be a huge problem especially having to use our bullpen up when he struggles alot
I think
that the regular routine of starting might be of help to him, actually. He can work on stuff between starts, plan his attack, knowing who he’ll face and when. But, yet, he is going to have some volatility and we can’t panic when that happens. Every young starter goes through bouts of trouble when developing. I don’t see Feliz as being any worse than any other young starter growing into the role at the major league level.
Having him start in AAA might ease our minds a bit, but I think if anything it actually might delay his development as a major league starter a bit. Feliz most definitely has the stuff to get out the best hitters on the planet, and I think it helps the major league club in the long run (including later in 2012) if he does his work at the major league level. If he starts in AAA, he’ll have to adjust when he gets back up to Arlington.
That’s my opinion, anyway. But like I said, until he gets to spring training and starts throwing we really don’t know much.
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he would only be sent down if he STBF
at such a level Josey can’t even dream of. The most likely scenario is that he goes to the bullpen if he has a few rough starts allowing Feldman to get a couple starts. Maddux^2 works with him and he gets a few innings in low leverage situations to work on things.
maybe..but wouldnt getting starts in the minors
regularly building up stamina..working on things..be better for a young developing starter ..especially one who’s last appearance he did STBF and melted mentally enough for rangers to immediately remove him from that role?..i just dont want to ruin him before he fully develops..with feldman and ogando..or even if they sign oswalt..let him stretch out in the minors..but like i said..hopefully he excels and il eat crow..i dont mind it tastes like chicken..lol
stamina and strtching out I don't see as an issue
command will be his problem. Wash will say it is a mechanical problem and something they can fix in the pen.
I'm not rooting against Feliz or Darvish.
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me either..but in Feliz case i see no need to rush him
and Darvish..i think he is gona do well..but time will tell
Feliz threw 4 pitches last season.
FB, slider, cutter, change.
The Rangers apparently believe that his repertoire is more conducive to starting long-term and doing it at a high level than Ogando’s, but it’s not as simple as breaking down what they’ve done with their pitch selection to date and saying that is what they will definitely do going forward.
And he threw his fastball 79.8% of the time in 2011.
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So we should only consider 2011
when assessing his ability to throw strikes?
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Yes :)
………………..K/9……………BB/9………….K/BB
2009:……..11.32………… 2.32………….. 4.88
2010……….9.22………….. 2.34………….. 3.94
2011……….7.80……………4.33………….. 1.80
His numbers are trending in the wrong direction.
:(((
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, look at that dramatic uptick in BB/9 in 2010.
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I think Yu should know this better than anyone
I mean, you are Neftali Feliz.
by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yu got dinner, Roy got lunch
Nuff said.
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
You suck
Trulucks is awesome.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yup it is.
Ventura::Lewin::Greenberg
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Leonys Martin is no Judy- JD at Newberg Night.
Settled.
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Fucking carrot cake.
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by Adam J. Morris on Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
What???
Trulucks is really good. Aren’t you always talking about Fresca and Vodka to accompany some sort of fast food meal but you think Trulucks sucks?
by elchicodelgado on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I had a 100 dollar gift card to trulucks (the one in addison)
I had their signature stone crab and filet… I wasnt impressed.. I didnt even have to pay for it. they have a good happy hour.. i will give them that.. but the food when I went wasnt that impressive
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well at least it was free for you then.
I don’t get steak out very much because I find that I can spend half as much on a steak at Central Market or Rudolphs, cook it myself and it’s twice as good.
by elchicodelgado on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting move
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by RangersfaninROK on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM CST reply actions
signing Oswlt doen't makes sense for a few reasons
“If that were to happen, you’d love to have extra depth,” Daniels said on ‘The Ben and Skin Show’ on Friday morning. “The flip side we’ve got to consider is what if that doesn’t happen? How does it all fit together? We’ve spent a lot of time and resources developing this younger group where they are ready to maybe take that next step and do we owe it to them? Those are things we’re walking through right now.”
First, what he said.
Second, Colby is in the last year of his deal. Oswalt would be a one year deal. Feldman won’t be back next year. Looking past 2012 it doesn’t make sense to sign Oswalt AND deal Harry.
Third, Harry may likely be a better pitcher then Oswalt in 2012 and beyond.
Fourth, signing Oswalt does not fit JD’s MO. Guys like Bush and Webb were signed to minor lg deal or they were going to start the season on the DL. Oswalt would be in the ML roto.
Fifth, to much smoke around this rumor doesn’t fit how the Rangers operate. Seems like Oswalt’s agent is pushing this to get St. Louis to up their offer.
Did I miss anything?
Rangers have team option with Feldman in 2013.
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by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
What if he channels his 2009 season and Feliz/Yu STBF?
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by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
x
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Red 7, Red 7
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Heh....STILL not jumping.....
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
17-8 with 4.00ish ERA in 200 IPs? That very easily could be worth 1 / 9.5
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by Josey Wales on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
In that case the Rangers would get a surplus on his $6.5MM salary in 2012
You’d only exercise the option if you think he would repeat or better those numbers for 2013 AND that Feliz, Perez, or any other cheaper option can’t give you a reasonably similar performance in 2013.
If Feldman puts up the numbers above I think the Rangers are thrilled, say thankya, and send him on his way.
Maybe more bad than good
In the long run
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would there's less than a 1% chance we exercise that option
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't realize you said "less than"
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
5 K/9 and a 3 BB/9
in 31 starts. No that isn’t getting picked up for $10M, especially considering he won’t get 31 starts
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
By channeling 2009 (he had 189 IPs but didn't get in the rotation until late April).
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Well
We’re bound to have injurys this season, buy I highly, highly doubt he’ll get near 200 IP.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if he did
it would mean something very bad had happened.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I don't want to jinx anything
but something completely unexpected and devastating has happened if Feldman gets to 200.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'm an idiot...just drawn offsides
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
And how many positions can he play?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm at sonic
Where is he?
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe you, Yu, and me can go there.
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by Gay For Feliz on Jan 31, 2012 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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