Padres trade Anthony Rizzo to Cubs
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM CST
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The San Diego Padres have reportedly traded first baseman Anthony Rizzo and pitcher Zach Cates to the Chicago cubs for pitcher Andrew Cashner and outfielder Kyung-Min Na.
Cashner was the Cubs' first round draft pick (#19 overall) in the 2008 draft, and Rangers fans may remember him because he was out of TCU and supposedly had caught the eye of Nolan Ryan, leading to speculation that the Rangers might grab him with their first round pick, which they instead used on Justin Smoak.
Cashner throws hard, has pitched almost exclusively as a reliever in the majors, and missed a lot of time last season because of shoulder problems. The Padres are apparently going to be trying him as a starter, but regardless, this return seems awfully light for a guy who was considered one of the best first base prospects in the majors, unless his stint in the majors last season has the Padres convinced that Rizzo can't hack it in the majors.
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Why weren't we in on Rizzo?
[expletives]
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
We could've had him for Tanner Scheppers!
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
I thought the Padres were keeping Cashner in the pen...
…with a view to potentially make him a starter in the future (ala Feliz)
by LiamP on Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Me too.
The Padres will use Cashner out of the bullpen, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe this brings fielders price down...
I know the cubs have been saying they are not in, but I think that this would confirm it. No?
I think that if the Rangers had no
interest Fielder would have signed with someone already. I’m not sure how much cheaper he is now compared to yestrday. But if the Rangers don’t sign Yu, Prince won’t be cheap
by RangerMad on Jan 6, 2012 7:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
SSS and all,
but yowsers. 46 k’s in 153 major league PA’s last year for Rizzo.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 6, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions
About twice as many strikeouts as walks
in his minor league career.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not even close...
2:1 isn’t bad. CD was 150:35 in his breakout minor league year.
Now, his straight up K% in the majors was awful… obviously he can’t repeat that.
.331/.404/.652/1.056
As a 21 year old in AAA is pretty damn good.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
.333/.402/.685/1.086
Were Davis’ numbers in AAA before getting called up in 2008
by dumdum000333 on Jan 6, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ogando has a lot more on film than Cashner
And he’s shown he can start. I don’t think the age difference is enough to make them equal.
I thought the Padres trading Latos for Alonso made it pretty clear they were down on Rizzo
My guess is other clubs picked up on that and the Padres lost leverage, and maybe the other interested team became wary of him.
FRANK RIZZO!!!!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Hard to call it 'dumping'
when you have to pay $18 Million of that contract.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Do we still have Brandon Webb under team control?
Or is he a free agent. Just Curious. Haven’t heard the name in a while
by texasrangerfan on Jan 6, 2012 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Brandon Webb is done
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Rizzo is Davis
Finkle is Einhorn
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
stupid mobile crapballs
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Again
this just needs to highlight how terrible the Padres return for Adrian Gonzalez was and that Boston prospects are just stupid overrated.
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Yup...
and while the Padres may be down on Rizzo right now, obviously some other teams like the Cubs aren’t. I think the Pads sold too low and quickly on Rizzo here. Not sure what their rush was, but I would think they could have got more.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Do we have time for a project type First Baseman?
2012 is a big year, right?
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
We're rolling with Mitch Moreland.
If he doesn’t qualify as a “project type,” it’s because he’s not good enough.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
True
How much better would you rate Rizzo over Moreland? A lot better?
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
I wouldn't say a lot better
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Moreland's floor is higher than Rizzo's.
That’s quite important.
THIS
“unless his stint in the majors last season has the Padres convinced that Rizzo can’t hack it in the majors.”
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
Hmmm...
Teams could be backing off Cespedes a little.
Would you offer him something like 5/40?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'd do that 4/32 probably.
That way we’re not burned too badly if he doesn’t live up to expectations.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I think all things being equal...
he’ll probably go to Miami, and I’ll bet they offer at least 4/32. I think you’d have to up the offer at least a year at that same average salary to get him. We’ll see though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
But... CORE STRENGTH!
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
by LSJ on Jan 6, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure either of these gets it done...
but would you rather do 5/40 for Cespedes or 5/85 for Hamilton?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Cespides.
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
by LSJ on Jan 6, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
See, it's actually a pretty tough call for me...
I think 5/85 is right at the limit of what I’d be willing to do for Hamilton. And while Cespedes has a great youtube video, I’m just not sure how well his game is going to translate over. He’s another huge risk/reward type guy.
I think if I was forced to choose I may actually go with Hamilton.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'm honestly too afraid of Hamilton's potential to Grady Sizemore out to offer him that much for that long
Maybe if it was 4/70 guaranteed with an option…
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
by LSJ on Jan 6, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
It could be the Petco suck factor
Perhaps, they didn’t think Rizzo was a fit playing in Petco, but then who is?
He was absolutely terrible on the road
Hitting .118,on the road makes his Petco avg of .173 look good. Granted this is a small sample, but that is awful no matter how you want to look at it.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2012 12:03 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Brad Hawpe anyone?
TR says the R angers are looking at him for 1B/OF.
by RangerMad on Jan 7, 2012 1:35 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Sure, if it were 2006-2009 Brad Hawpe and he was never allowed onto the field with a fielding glove...
i tell the truth; i lie a lot
The idea doesn't exactly make me Hawpe up and down
(FIRST WITH THE HAWPE PUNS FUCKERS)
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
by LSJ on Jan 7, 2012 3:59 AM CST up reply actions
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