Monday Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 9, 2012 8:02 AM CST
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We're about a week away from the Yu Darvish deadline so I expect to see a lot of rumors and articles parsing the "will he/won't he sign" angle. That should keep us busy. For now, however, the baseball world is all lathered up about the Hall of Fame announcement coming later today.
Barry M. Bloom of MLB.com has an article about MLB Network broadcasting the voting results and runs down the potential storylines. We'll to see who, if anyone, will join Ron Santo in the HOF Class of 2012 today at 1 p.m.
Behind the DMN paywall, Gerry Fraley writes about Juan Gonzalez potentially being dropped from the HOF ballot after today after being the "most honored and most enigmatic player in [Rangers] franchise history".
Finally, in case you were curious, you can find out who DMN writers Tim Cowlishaw, Gerry Fraley, Rick Gosselin* and Evan Grant voted for on their HOF ballots.
*Rick Gosselin has an MLB HOF vote?
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Have never read a baseball piece from the Goose.
I bet he misses his old gig at the DMN….didn’t he used to write one foitball ptory per week?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I hate you
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 8:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's not very nice
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 9, 2012 9:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, it's HOF day?
…
Well… I gotta take a shit.
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
Yankees!!!! Mystique and aura!!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 9, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think he used his postseason numbers as reasoning. Not positive.
but if that’s the case where the hell is Mark Lemke?
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Jim Leyritz
Or is he a no go due to steroids?
Defending Big D Check it out
Twitter
"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
that and killing a person while driving while intoxicated.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 8:59 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
While while
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Looks like they were both drunk driving.
Not that that makes it any better.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
He probably met Bagwell once or twice.
GUILTY!!!
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Classical guitar chops, bro
It’s the sixth tool.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
Pretty sure I said this last Monday,
but something to talk about would be nice, MLB.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I'm thinking that by next Monday, things are going to pick up pretty well.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Bernie Williams over Bagwell!!!!
Really? Oh…. thats right. This is the guy who thinks MY is a MVP caliber player.
I can't believe none of them voted for Palmeiro...
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
same reason McGwire wouldn't get votes
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 9, 2012 8:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Palmeiro and Griffey
had the two sweetest swings of that era for me.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 9, 2012 8:38 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Beat me to it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i overheard a conversation Fraley was having with a Miami beat writer at a Mavs game
Adam’s assessment is correct, almost verbatim
I also heard Fraley say something to the effect that Raffy was never the best first basemen in the league for any single season he played, which i tend to agree with
by oc on Jan 9, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
so?
nolan was never the best pitcher
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 9, 2012 1:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yes he was.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yu would be be an idiot not to sign.
I’m not worried.
See y’all at his first start.
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 9, 2012 9:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Some interesting (i.e. humorous) mlb.com votes
T.R. Sullivan
Ballot: Bagwell, Larkin, Martinez, McGwire, McGriff, Morris, Palmeiro, Raines, Trammell, Juan Gonzalez
Lyle Spencer
Ballot: Larkin, McGriff, Morris, Raines, Smith, Trammell, Don Mattingly
Richard Justice
Ballot: Larkin, Morris, McGriff, Raines, Bagwell
Barry M. Bloom
Ballot: Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Rafael Palmeiro, Tim Raines, Lee Smith and Alan Trammell
by robert_d_wilfong on Jan 9, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions
Yes to the Crime Dog? No to Bags?
That’s turrible.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Blame Tom Emansky
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 9:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Roids
Also, Sullivan and Bloom are heading the OccupyHOF movement. Screw the 1%ers … let ’em all in.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jan 9, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
That statement cannot be proven.
Can’t asume just because he played in the “era”
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
what does FIFMS mean?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Also, there is no proof that Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Is there proof that he didn't?
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
No. There is no proof that Craig James didn't kill five hookers while at SMU.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
So you're telling me...
There isn’t any proof that Craig James killed 5 hookers at SMU and there also isn’t any proof that contradicts the story that Craig James killed 5 hookers at SMU?
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
How many hookers could Craig James kill...
If Craig James could kill hookers?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
At least 5
Craig James may have killed more than 5 hookers while at SMU and who knows how many Craig James killed hookers there are since he left SMU.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Correct
All we know for certain is that Craig James has never denied that he killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
"Hey Craig - when did you stop killing hookers?"
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 9, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What makes you speculate Bagwell took steroids?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
It's a meme at this point
Several voters have thrown that out despite freaking zero evidence.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 9, 2012 1:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What makes you speculate he didn't?
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Jan 9, 2012 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When did the American justice system turn into
Guilty until proven innocent?
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
by safeman on Jan 9, 2012 2:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have never speculated that Bagwell took steroids.
I have simply noted that there is no proof that Craig James did or did not kill five hookers at SMU.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
have no clue who lee smith is
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 9, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Pitched for the Cardinals I think.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
The 2 of you
Are no longer allowed to criticize Hall of Fame ballots.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
by SoWasRed on Jan 9, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He pitched for the Cardinals for four damn years.
I was absolutely right. I couldn’t remember him pitching for the Cubs when I six.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I think the point was
saying he “pitched for the Cardinals I think” as your first explanation of who he is was a little off.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 9, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I knew who he was.
I was more doubting my memory of him with the Cardinals than that he was a reliever. I guess I should’ve been more thorough in my description.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
for serious?
closer during the 80’s for the chicago cubs.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 10:11 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I completely forgot about him with the Cubs.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Jan 9, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
he was a large mammal.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 9, 2012 10:13 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
All-Time Saves Leader in the 80s.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Best of the first of the specialists
Then everyone else broke his record.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jan 9, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
He pitched forever.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
he took forever to walk to the mound
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 9, 2012 2:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
And...
you talk shit to others on here when they give their opinions of baseball?? You know, baseball? Wow. I was born in 1978 by the way.
You should switch to menthols
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
by Rodney on Jan 9, 2012 1:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
huh????? i dont talk shit about others baseball opinions.
i just have no recollection of lee smith
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Teahan: Traded for Carlos Beltra, dumped for 41-yo Darren Oliver
The Blue Jays designated third baseman Mark Teahen for assignment to open a 40-man roster spot for Darren Oliver, announced the team.
BTW, quite a deal for Oliver!
Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos made his biggest free agent signing in two-plus years at the helm, inking lefty reliever Darren Oliver to a one-year, $4MM deal. The contract includes a $3MM club option for 2013, announced the team.
As good as Prince Fielder would've looked in a 4XL Rangers' uniform, we all know you win with pitching. -- JJT
The truth about MLers from a MLer, Todd Coffey:
"In my heart of hearts, if it's the right contract, I would look to definitely come back to the Nationals."
“Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos made his biggest free agent signing in two-plus years at the helm”
Hard to be worried that they will throw 200 million at Fielder…. anythings possible of course.
That statement stuck out to me as well....
Darren Oliver is his biggest signing?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if theres some sort of buyout on that option
Maybe 500K or something.
Great deal for Oliver
dice-k money for Darvish
Heyman reports that the deal is nowhere close. No way we pay this kid 18-20 mil a year, right?
by das06h on Jan 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
We're getting to that point...
That daily reminders of how this process will work may be needed.
1) You will hear anything and everything speculating on price. Darvish wants $20M per year or the Rangers are only offering $6M per year.
2) You will hear that it might not happen… the sides aren’t close… Darvish doesn’t like Texas… he’ll just pitch in Japan and become a free agent next year (with those people saying that not realizing that he won’t become an INTERNATIONAL free agent for two more years).
3) Hands will be wrung and sphincters will tighten fretting over the impending downward trajectory of the sky.
4) And regardless of all of that… right before the deadline he will sign because everything else is just part of the negotiating process and should be taken with so much salt that it would kill a horse.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Jan 9, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Salted horse is a fine meal.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Does our interest in Fielder really hinge on whether we sign Darvish?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The moneypenis says no.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
The doctor friend says no also.
"Calmer than you are dude"
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jan 9, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
According to Bob Nightengale...
No. Our interest in Fielder is minimal regardless of Darvish.
He’s been referred to as an insider’s insider. So take that for what you will.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not an insider
But I think the most likely scenario is that the Rangers are interested if the years on Fielder come way, way down from 8. And that the agent (and player) isn’t interested in the Rangers or any team at those years.
Of course, the above creates a situation where bloggers and posters can speculate wildly on both sides, and not really be wrong.
Congrats to Larkin
Raines and Bagwell screwed again.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Holland contract extension on hold
by RangerMad on Jan 9, 2012 7:20 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Of course it is.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Jan 10, 2012 6:55 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
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