Barry Larkin Elected to the Hall of Fame
by Brad on Jan 9, 2012 2:23 PM CST
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PrintThe BBWAA elected former Cincinnati Reds shortstop Barry Larkin to the Hall of Fame today. His name was on 86% of writer's ballots and was the only one to receive the necessary 75% to be inducted. Larkin was 12 time all-star and won the 1995 NL MVP as a member of the Reds.
The BBWAA notes that the 24% increase from 2011 to 2012 is the largest increase with at least 400 ballots.
| G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2180 | 9057 | 7937 | 1329 | 2340 | 441 | 76 | 198 | 960 | 379 | 77 | 939 | 817 | .295 | .371 | .444 | .815 | 116 | 3527 | 178 | 55 | 59 | 67 | 66 | ||
| 162 | 673 | 590 | 99 | 174 | 33 | 6 | 15 | 71 | 28 | 6 | 70 | 61 | .295 | .371 | .444 | .815 | 116 | 262 | 13 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 5 |
Also receiving at least 50% of the votes were Jack Morris (66.7%), Jeff Bagwell (56.0%), and Lee Smith (50.6%). Notable former Rangers on the ballot were Rafael Palmeiro (12.6%), Juan Gonzalez (4.0%) and Ruben Sierra (0.0%). Gonzalez and Sierra did not receive the necessary 5% to remain on the 2013 ballot.
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Former Ranger greats Brian Jordan, Phil Nevin and Eric Young also did not receive enough votes to stay on the ballot.
Today sucks.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I really thought they had a chance...
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
No Phil Nevin? The HOF voting is such a joke.....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 9, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Eric Young received more votes than Ruben Sierra
I don’t know how I feel about that…
24% increase?
Man, I didn’t realize he had such a great year in 2011. Where was he on Grant’s MVP ballot?
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Yes, he is
And my mind is still boggled that there were writers who thought him more deserving of the HOF than Blyleven. Also, what the hell does Tim Raines have to do to get more votes? Bagwell and McGwire too, but I know what’s keeping their totals down.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Bagwell's making progress.
Next year Biggio is on the ballot too, and I would guess that they get voted in together.
I don't understand the Morris love
he is pretty much remember for being great in a couple postseason games and pretty good the rest of his career, not really HOF worthy.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
he had about 6 real good years
that’s something.
3 world series titles with the different teams is nice too.
but yeah, while blylevin wasn’t considered a DOMINATE pitcher, he was a better pitcher longer than morris was.
Bachman/Beck 2012
I wish I were the 1%
What I really don't understand
Is that he never fared that well in the Cy Young voting in his career.
3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th are his best finishes. For the old-school voters who eat that up, I don’t see how that’s acceptable – those votes were the ones that were in love with his win totals at the time.
Of course it’s really just a vote against steroid guys (and helped by the fact that there aren’t any other starting pitchers with a strong case on the ballot). I’m really curious how many old school voters will vote for him and not Schilling next year – that would be completely illogical.
I wouldn't worry.
With all the great players becoming eligible in the next couple of years, Morris will probably get lost in the clutter.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
by CrustytheCowboy on Jan 9, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm encouraged that Bagwell's percentage went up.
It was 41.7% last year… only a matter of time.
Of course… Morris was only 53% last year too… it seems he is also only a matter of time.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Morris will get in next year
Bagwell either next year or the year after.
Anybody have a link to that cite that does HOF projections using trends?
Nobody remembers what website I'm talking about?
Looked at voting trends, outlined certain thresholds that players needed to reach at which point their nomination was all but certain..
I hope he gets in next year with Biggio.
That’d be really cool.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
so, next season is Biggio's first year being eligible?
if so, Biggio isn’t a first ballot HOFer. Maybe the year after that.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 9, 2012 6:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
everybody but palmeiro and old timers like
nap lajoie, paul waner, tris speaker, eddie collins, honus wagner, and cap anson (all over 70 years ago)that has 3000 hits got in on the 1st time.
Bachman/Beck 2012
I wish I were the 1%
Lots of candidates next year
Morris might go down.
At least I get to see the Rangers when they play the Twins now.
Anybody think Lee Smith gets in?
10th year, trending up, crossed the 50% mark. Is there enough time left?
Maybe...
But I’d say less than 50% odds. So many new guys coming up but have the steroid label.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he made it… but I’m not expecting it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Not anytime soon
He is arguably one of the best relievers from his generation, but I’m not sure that gets him in.
He'll be a Veteran's Committee choice in a few years.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
So where is the Alan Trammell love?
Honestly, I think he deserves induction as well.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
I was born in '81
and in my mind as a young 8, 9, 10 year old, Alan Trammell was a huge star. If you were to ask me at 10 years old to list the Top 10 Current Most Famous Baseball Players, Alan Trammell would be on it. As would Lee Smith. Maybe that’s a weird coincidence though.
by Apes and Androids on Jan 9, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Never been a Larkin fan
GF slept with him in college.
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
Good for her
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
dude, everyone slept with your gf in college
hell, I slept with your girlfriend in college.
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Problem is
I didn’t
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
Well, at least you didn't have to worry about whether Larkin gave her anything.
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Good point.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yeah. Only Jeter gives out post-coital autographs.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Heh
“Hey man, you got that all wrong. I didn’t have sex with Katie. LYSOL had sex with Katie, I just filmed it.”
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“Correction. I had sex with Katie too.”
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Katie's got some big ol' tittays.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Don't understand this
Larkin 116 OPS+, 68.9 WAR – Hall of Fame
Alomar 116 OPS+, 63.5 WAR – Hall of Fame
Whitaker 116 OPS+, 69.7 WAR – Knocked off HOF ballot first year eligible.
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
Whitaker's an interesting case
Isn’t he a classic case of a compiler? 15 years of 3+ WAR, but only 5 above 4.5 (what is generally All-Star level play). Only 3 times was he in the top 10 in AL position players.
He had a great career, but I think Trammell is much more the type of player that should make the HoF of the pair. Trammell finished with 3 fewer WAR, but his best seasons show how he was much more of a star player (each of his top 9 seasons are higher in WAR).
It'll be interesting to see how the writers handle Bonds when he gets on the ballot for the first time
imo, Bonds is a first ballot HOF’er, but I don’t know if the writers will see it that way.
You'll see the exact number of writers that do and do not care about the steroid issue as a criteria for the hall.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Maybe, maybe not.
Could be voters care about steroids because they think it helped the player accumulate numbers, and not because of the character/integrity aspect of it. That subset of steroids-concerned voters may think Bonds is a HOF’er with the numbers he put up before he started juicing, and they’re probably right.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Its about as much of a guarantee as could be
that Bonds pre-steroids was a HOF player. But the writers all hate him so he’s not going to get votes based on that.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Right, I was just thinking maybe there's a tiny subset of voters like the ones I described who could vote against someone like Sosa but for someone like Bonds.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
given that bonds and clemens are completely unlikeable
whereas raffy and mcgwire were more so, it is tough to see them getting much more
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
by JBImaknee on Jan 9, 2012 4:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think people should hate McGwire more than they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=942HcHKbOno
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Raphael the Painter was on the ballot?
Impressive, I didn’t think he had as distinguished of a career as Michelangelo
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
If you get tainted with steroids, we no longer have to spell your name correctly
Ain’t that right, McGuire?
Eh, Michelangelo had higher peaks, but Raphael was more consistent over the long haul.
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by Mike the Grate on Jan 9, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
This conversation is meaningless without Leonardo.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Fuck the Italians. Jan van Eyck scoffs.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Donatello was the best.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i'm a fan of leonardo
dude made me my hidden blade
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
by MonkeyEpoxy on Jan 9, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2035
He gets in
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 9, 2012 4:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Impossible...
nobody will be alive
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
It's hard for me to understand...
how some of these guys aren’t getting in, and I don’t even consider myself a "big HOF’ guy. For me the slam dunks should be Bagwell, Raines, Trammell, E. Martinez, Walker, McGwire, Palmeiro, and Whitaker (I can’t believe he’s not even on the ballot now, what a joke). Now I realize the whole steroid argument is going to be there for McGwire and Palmeiro, but those guys are HOFers in my book.
And while no new guys from this years class, including Bernie Williams, deserved any consideration…this ballot is about to get very crowded. Next year Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Sosa, Schilling, and Biggio are all eligible for the first time. In my opinion all 6 should be in, but the steroid cloud over Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa is going to be very interesting.
I just don’t see how writers can vote for guys like Morris, L. Smith, Mattingly, Murphy, and B. Williams over any of those guys.
The toughest guy for me right now on whether or not he should be in or out is McGriff. Really tough call there.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
1996 was the strangest year for MVP voting
I think if Juan had played half the player he was in his 20s up to around 38-40 he would be in.
Formerly Rangers121032
We want...#1 Josh #2 Barnet #10000000 Rhadigan
If he could have just played through his early 30s without missing at least half of each season
he’d probably be at the 500 HR mark and be in the HOF.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
If you don't receive at least 5% of the vote, you're removed from the ballot.. right?
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
nvm, got it.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Bagwell, Trammel, Whitaker, and Rains...
would have been on my ballot if I could have voted for them. Lou Whitaker wasn’t even on the ballot?! It’s bad enough that Trammel is not in the HOF, but Whitaker not being on the ballot is strange. People like Walker and Morris, I have no objection if they are in. Palmeiro and McGuire get the anti-steroids no-vote, and I can live with that for awhile. I suppose Bagwell gest included with them, but I don’t think of him as a steroids person. Next year the steroids issue gets heated!
Lou was on the ballot
Once.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Tony Womack didn't get a vote...
that’s surprising because his batting stance gets all of my HOF votes.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Bagwells stance doesn't do anything for you?
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Jan 9, 2012 4:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sooooo, Bagwell gets in...2 years from now?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
awesomeness from the onion (as usual)
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/angels-hoping-they-can-get-mike-napoli-back-now-th,26968/
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by spliffy on Jan 9, 2012 4:30 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
>Edgar Martinez
>32%
>ok
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
The Hall
Does it start to mean less to anyone else b/c of all the bs that goes into its voting? I mean, I’m not really interested in nor do I put a ton of value into the opinions of most of these voters when they bother to write about baseball. Why should I care who they think had the greatest career?
At some point, they should probably figure out a way to take it out of such subjective hands
Face it. Every city has their Evan Grant
These are the people who vote. It is no wonder the HOF voting is basically a joke.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
Sic semper, you know?
Joe Pos has a nice mini-history of the Hall, leading up to a rumination on the steroid problem: http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2012/01/future-and-past-of-hall-of-fame.html (for anyone who hasn’t checked it out yet).
I have to admit, I find it amusing that the guy who gets in is the guy who happened to join the media.
Look, this is a bad time to buy cocaine anyway. With the market how it is, it is better to rent cocaine.
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