Wednesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 9:28 AM CST
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Richard Justice has a really nice column on Ron Washington, that leads off thusly:
Ron Washington cares about his players and loves his team, and everything he has accomplished with the Texas Rangers begins there.
I can't tell you that he's baseball's best manager in terms of running a game or lining up a pitching staff. I can't tell you that his lineups are works of brilliance.
I can only tell you that Ron Washington is the boss we'd all like to have, and that his personality and his approach and his essential decency are huge reasons the Texas Rangers have won back-to-back American League championships.
Richard Durrett continues his look at the various positions on the Rangers for 2012 today by checking out right field, where we have Nelson Cruz when he's healthy, and David Murphy and Mitch Moreland when he isn't.
Cruz says he and the Rangers are working on a one year deal while leaving the door open for a multi-year extension, and that he wants to be a Ranger for life.
Mitch Moreland says the Rangers talking to Prince Fielder has motivated him.
T.R. Sullivan has a story at the Rangers' website about all the off-the-field moves in the front office and scouting department that were announced yesterday.
The DMN has some discussion on the possibility of Roy Oswalt joining the Rangers, with Kevin Sherrington saying he's all for it, and Gerry Fraley being the voice of reason:
If the Rangers do that, I think they’re going against everything they stand for: player development, giving guys a chance, looking within. I think it would send a horrible message throughout the entire organization if you were to stifle the progress of guys for this guy at the backside of his career.
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Did it freeze over today? Because I actually agree with something Fraley wrote.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Fraley's still an idiot
If it was Cliff Lee instead of Oswalt what would Fraley say then ? And without knowing what Harrison would bring back in a trade who’s to say if it makes sense or not. It’s about making the club better for now and the future, not whether someone’s feelings are hurt. It’s the big leauges not little league.
by ruben_sierra#21 on Feb 1, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
"It’s about making the club better for now and the future"
Are you sure that Oswalt makes the team better this season? Given his injury history and Harrison’s improvement, I would rather roll with Harrison and spend the Oswalt money elsewhere…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
"...this guy at the backside of his career."
Class, What comes out of the backside?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Gas for one
But I’m not sure that’s what we’ll get out of Oswalt.
Writer for Defending Big D
by Brandon Bibb on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I think if Lee was able to be had for a 1 year deal we would be better to sign him
Whether it pushed Harrison, Holland, or Feliz to the pen
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes
Oswalt is one thing, Lee is a completely different matter. If Lee was willing to sign for a year with us then I would have been all for it.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
Lee, Kershaw, someone who is clearly an upgrade. Not someone who will most likely be a broke dick dog.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I'm hearing this phrase repeated
and, respectfully, it was old the first time you used it. I’m not saying that the Rangers should sign Oswalt, but he is 34 and could come back from an injury and still give somebody a few good years.
somethin fishy going on...Fraley is the voice of reason....WTF
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I agree about Wash.
And honestly, some of his ugliest lineups (in my opinion) ended up putting up the most runs. The guy knows what buttons to press.
HNNNNNNGGGGG
Lineups aside
he excels as a manager of men, and RJ hits the nail on the head with this:
Managers must keep players focused on a single goal and on getting consistent efforts through good times and bad. He must communicate honestly, and at times, bluntly. He must deal with personality conflicts quickly.
Everyone respects Wash the man, he respects his players as men.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
As much as I enjoy Cruz as a person and the way he plays the game..
Multiverse deal scares the shit out of me with him if the AAV gets up there.
by kchorton on Feb 1, 2012 9:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Given that he's going to make about $6 million this year
That means you’re paying him $10 million for next year and $14 million for a free agency year.
I don’t know that I’d do that.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
yeah I think 3/25 would be sufficient
6.5 this year. 8.5 for 2013 and 10 mil for 2014.
Maybe a vesting option based on PAs for 2015 at something like 12 mil
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't mind 3/30 if...
some of that is performance bonuses like plate appearances, and OPS. If Nellie plays 140 games in a season, he’s probablly worth $10 million.
the next time Nellie plays even 130 games in a season
Will be the first
by bigsteve on Feb 1, 2012 3:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Gerry Fraley...I salute you, sir....
Also, let’s hope that the fact that they didn’t sign Fielder gives Mitch further motivation. Last season, I wanted/expected a lot from Holland….Mitch is my target this season….it’s time for him to step up and take over the 1b spot and leave no doubt that it’s where he belongs.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions
you'll be disappointed w/ Mitch. he is what he is
My target this year is Feliz….lookin for big things from this kid.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Yep
He’s someone who can hold down the first base job while he’s making the minimum or close to it until you can find someone better.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I don't expect him to be Fielder....
But I don’t want to see a repeat of last season….maybe I do see him as more than he is but I’m also hoping that his injury last season was the reason he struggled so badly.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I want something like a 115-120 wRC+ from him
With about 500 PA and never seeing LH starters.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
500 PAs and never seeing LHPs? How's that going to work?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Never seeing LH starters.
He’ll see LH relievers unless we PH for him every time.
Kinsler got 515 PA against RH starters last year… Moreland would get less from being lower in the order… but roughly 500. Maybe it’s 480.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Moreland got 419 against RH starters last year.
So the order may be more significant than my off the cuff guess.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And to go full Sharky...
Those PA aren’t all against RH starters for Kinsler and Moreland… those are PA are from games where there was a RH starter and then the additional ones against whatever relievers they bring in regardless of handedness.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i just dont want to give up on him
because he did have surgery to repair damage..so his first 380ab he had 20 hr..thats not bad especially for basically a rookie
There is no reason to
I’ll side with Cole over Stix and Parks and Stix has admitted that his “Moe can’t hit lefties” is an eyeball call due to the lack fo sufficient data. Moe was platooned during his debut like the Rangers do with most of their rookies (these days) in order to allow them to acclimate. This year, Moe was injured for 5 months, beginning with the Cleveland series (June ~3-5). The first news of the seriousness of his injury and the effects it had on his production was discussed in detail by Moe for the first time this W/E. discus Why TX didn’t sit him for a month is puzzling. I think he gets the chance to prove he is not the next David Murphy at 1B. However, with Young and Naps on the roster, his ABs vs LHP will be decreased nonetheless, so it won’t be much of an issue even if he proves that he is mainly a platoon bat by season’s end.
It's also important to note...
That Moreland was incredibly unsuccessful against LH pitching even prior to his injury. In fact he’s never been successufl (2010 or 2011) against LH pitching at the major league level.
I do not think the injury is the full or even most of the reason he struggles against left handers.
I do think it is a reasonable explanation why his overall production and production against RH pitching diminished so heavily.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
As I've said
before, he was a platoon bat in 2010. His 23 PA in 15g vs LHP are irrelevant. That leaves you to make your projections based on 2 healthy months during his first year as full-time starter. OK.
I think his injury is a splendid explanation on both counts. However, as I have always only seen him as having a fringe-average offensive ceiling, I don’t think it is all that important to belabor the issue other than to point out that your overconfidence isn’t completely defensible.
My intent isn't to be overconfident.
I tend to communicate that way because of the nature of my job and experiences, but it is not my intent to place information out there as unchallengeable.
Sometimes I will use absolutes for humor… but I certainly don’t mind amending when people point out where I may be or in fact am incorrect.
I am still skeptical of Moreland every developing an ability to hit ML LHP… I just felt your comment above indicated that the primary reason Moreland did not have success against LHP was due to injury, and I do not agree with that.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Don't be a whoosie
you’re being too obsequious. I have no problem with what or how you write about baseball.
CAIRO gives him a .340 wOBA against righties.
My questions about how it handles young players aside, how would you feel about that?
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I just answered my question by pegging that at a 117 wRC+.
That’s without ever facing a righty even once, though.
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To hit lefties, you need reps
The act of platooning him can retard his growth potential.
If the wrist is as reported, last years #s aren’t a good sample to predict future production.
Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?
I didn't know you could rap, AJM.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He can sing, too....
Anyone recall the podcast where he sang the “Cops” theme?
You missed your calling, AJM……
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
There hasn’t been a podcast since November.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It only makes sense to sign Oswalt (and I'm skeptical about what he has left) if they have a trade
lined up for Harry or Holland to bring in young talent.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
precisely
such a nice problem to have…can’t remember the last time the Rangers have 7 legitimate starters.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Probably but you'd also probably get a higher quality player in return
because Harry has a track record of success in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Depends on the prospect.
Trout or Harper would net significantly more than Harry.
Harry is heading into his first arb year and will cost $2.95M. Getting the three ultra cheap years and six years of team control has value as well.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Other than maybe Profar...
…I don’t think there’s a minor leaguer in the Rangers’ system that would fetch as much as Harrison would.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
I was more speaking in generalities… a proven major leaguer isn’t always more valuable than a prospect just because of having proven success. The elite prospects (especially position prospects) are worth their weight in gold.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
A young lefty (who is still relatively inexpensive) that can do what Harry did last year is not your typical "proven major leaguer."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
There's also the issue of a guy who's had one good season...
Being considered “proven”. More proven than a prospect who’s never been in the ML… but less proven than a young pitcher like Gio Gonzalez who has had two 200 IP fairly solid seasons.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Lefty that throws 90+ with good track record...I agree with AJM...
Harry brings back more than anybody in Ranger minors other than Profar.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agreed with that too.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Agreed
And if that happens I sure hope it is for Harry and not Holland.
by elchicodelgado on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
if they were going to just sign him (without a corresponding trade)
i’m thinking it’d have happened by now.
Go Gary
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 9:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Heh......
Mark Teixeira is in the Best Shape of His Life
Craig Calcaterra Feb 1, 2012, 9:50 AM EST
Teixeira tweeted Tuesday that he lost 14 pounds this offseason. "I didn’t feel like I needed to, but I’m always trying to get better. I know that the older that I get, the more important nutrition is, any chance I get to make myself lighter, faster, more energy, is going to be better for my game. It just kind of happened. I started changing my diet a little bit, I started drinking a lot more raw juice. It really helped."
Unofficially, I believe that Yankees players are dominating the BSOHL tally this season.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions
Future HOF traded for a bag of magic beans...
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
314 HR's with several GGs at the age of 31 while playing for the most prestigious team in the sport
while also winning at least one championship.
He’s gonna end up with 450-550 HRs and with good health / clean drug tests is a mortal lock for the HOF.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
See Jim Rice.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Jim Rice was an outfielder in a weaker era for hitting.
Teixeira is a first baseman in the most prolific hitting era in baseball’s history.
Rice and Teixeira aren’t comparable.
ask someone who the top ten position players are
and I doubt they include Teixeira.
by RangerMad on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Point of order:
We’re not currently in the most prolific hitting era in baseball’s history. We were at the tail end of an extreme era when Teixeira came up, but there’s been a fairly steady decline since his fourth year, to where we’re now at the lowest levels we’ve seen since before TBiA was a thing.
The 1930s would also like to have a word with the early Aughts. There were fewer homeruns, but offense hitting overall was more prolific. Hell, in 1936, the AVERAGE OBP was .349!
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If Jim Rice is the bar...
…there are a lot of other players who should get elected. He’s one of the weakest writer picks of the last 30-40 years.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
That being said....
…who cares?
Why is Mark Teixeira’s HOF chances being discussed right now?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
well lets talk about Roy Osalt some more
/eyeroll
by RangerMad on Feb 1, 2012 11:51 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
See boomer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If Jim Rice is the bar
Teixeira probably doesn’t get in anyways. Rice got the push over the hump because he was “the most feared hitter of his generation”. Teixeira has never been the most feared 1B of his generation, easily behind Pujols.
Like I said, not comparable. I think Teixeira is on a curve to make a case for getting in. I don’t really care if he does though. He gone.
Rice wasn't "the most feared hitter of his generation." Those players were Reggie Jax, Schmidt, Brett, Winfield, Murray...not Jim Rice. Good player but a long freaking way from great or even very good.
He had three great years (won 1 MVP) and shit his pants in whatver sparse post-season play he had.
If he’s in, Tex is a mortal lock.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If Rice is the threshhold, there are about 100 players who aren't in who should be a mortal lock
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if Rice is the threshold but if he can get in with 382 HR's, Tex will get in with 450+ HRs
while playing (and winning a championship) for the NY Yankees.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
If Catfish Hunter can get in...
…Andy Pettitte will get in.
If Kirby Puckett can get in, Andruw Jones will get in.
If Bruce Sutter can get in, K-Rod will get in.
If you use the lowest common denominator as your baseline, you will end up stating definitively that all sorts of guys will get in.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Okay....I don't know if Rice is the LCD...that's another argument.
If Tex can hit 450-550 HRs (which he should do with ease)…that would vault him past Johnny Mize, Jim Rice and Andre Dawson…and Tex did this in NYC for the most prestigious team in the history of the sport for a team that went to post-season often and won at least one title.
There are a lot of Rangers fans who don’t believe Tex will go to the HOF because they don’t like him and they don’t want to believe that JD gave up a HOFer on the doorstep of his prime to acquire Elvis, Salty, et al.
That’s idiotic.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
How many players do you know of who were
dogged by PED rumors or flunked a drug test who hit 450 HRs that did not go to the HOF?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's a different question than whether or Tex is going to the HOF.
I’ll get to your question but do you now agree that Tex is very likely going to the HOF?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
very likely is a stretch
he has a chance if he plays well long enough, but he’s a long shot. His last two seasons were most definitely not the kind of hears he needs if he has any chance of making it. He needs to not only do better than that, he needs to do it for several more years.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
He'll be at 415-430 HRs by 2014 when he's 34 years old.
Where he goes from there is a roll of the dice but he’s getting paid by the Yanks thru 2016 and he has a full NTC.
He plays in a ballpark that’s very friendly to leftys and he’s going to be surrounded by tons of offensive talent…450 HRs should be a slam-dunk and everybody who has done that and passed their drug tests/not been rumored to use has made it to the HOF.
On top of all that he has a shit-load of GG’s and played for the NY Yankees at a time when they were one of the best teams in MLB.
I got him in Cooperstown by 2028.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
but you can't really say they are one of the best teams
in MLB just because Teixeara plays for them.
Why not?
It’s not Tex carrying the team but that team comes at you in waves…and 111 HRs in 3 seasons (HR leader the last 3 years?) is a significant contribution.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Most HR's over the last 3 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Delgado hasn't qualified for eligibility.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
From 2001-2011
Teixeira just hasn’t been considered in the top handful of players. His slash line is nearly identical to J.D. Drew in that time even as Drew was falling apart.
Drew .278/.385/.492, .378wOBA, 129 wRC+
Tex .281/.373/.532, .384 wOBA, 132 wRC+
It’s not impossible, but his numbers the last two years are definitely heading in the wrong direction. He needs to pick up the pace quite a bit, staving off decline.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The 39 HRs is the wrong direction? LOLz
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
His batting average is a concern.
With the current trend he’ll look like a .260 hitter based on his career numbers. That is a concern for his status.
Not if he hits 450 bombs
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
The 450 bombs will help.
But the BA will still be a concern. The two are independent of one another. All of those things go into the stew as you like to say.
I wouldn't say he's likely
I don’t think he’ll spend enough of his time being one of the best players in baseball. He’s a good, productive player. By the time he’s eligible I don’t think his numbers will be good enough to be a lock for the hall of fame. The bar is quite high for first baseman. Look at Bagwell, a guy who is unquestionably superior to Teixeira.
Right now I think he looks like a guy that will stay on the ballot for quite a while. Whether or not he gets in depends on the next 5-8 years.
Bagwell is dogged by PED rumors,
was an inferior defender and didn’t play for the Yankees or win a title.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Come on.
Josey is right. The PED thing is true and a huge knock against Bagwell. Which sucks because there is no proof of any kind.
Well...those numbers were out of whack (39 bombs in nearly 2/3 of season with half the games in the Astrodome?)
There were quite a few fishy numbers in Houston or from players that were with the ’Stros in early to mid 90s…Luis Gonzales, Steve Finley and Caminiti.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
It is all speculation.
Which is no reason to use that in your decision making for the vote. It is a ridiculous misuse of power.
Not really....I'd let everything shake
out for a few more years before I’d consider him or several of others dogged by PED.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He's not dogged by PED.
Not anymore than if I started making up a rumor about Tex being dogged by PED’s and it permeated throughout the interwebs.. It is all 100% speculation by people who have no facts to support their claims.
That .750 slugging % (230 points higher than the previous season)he had in Houston during the '94
season raises eyebrows.
Playing with Caminiti (who said what, 80% of MLB was using steroids), Luis Gonzo (57 HR’s in 2001!!) and Steve Finley (never hit more than 11 HRs in The Show and then hit 30 at the age of 31) will lead to a lot of speculation.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Regardless he had far superior numbers.
The bar is very high. And I think you vastly overrate the value playing for the yankees/winning a title will have on HoF voting. Individual awards matter far more and Tex lacks that.
It is this sort of thing...
…that makes it hard for me to figure out if you are truly a troll, or just delusional.
I believe that the vast majority of Rangers fans don’t give a shit about what Mark Teixeira does going forward. If he goes to the Hall of Fame, fine. If he flames out and is out of the league in two years, so be it.
Look in the mirror. You are the one who cares. You are the one who is hung up on Mark Teixeira. You are the one who beat your chest and proclaimed to the world how stupid the Rangers organization was for dealing Teixeira when he wouldn’t sign an extension. You are the one who ripped everyone associated for the team for dealing a “Hall of Famer in the prime of his career.”
He may very well be a Hall of Famer in the prime of his career. But you know what? It doesn’t matter.
You were wrong. The Rangers made a trade that has become the benchmark for fleecing another team, that has become the equivalent of the Herschel Walker trade. They made a trade that proved to be one of the key building blocks for a two-time A.L. Championship team.
The Rangers are better because they don’t have Mark Teixeira. They are better because he rejected the contract Hicks offered in 2007. They are better because they traded a “Hall of Famer in the prime of his career” for that group of prospects. They likely don’t go to back-to-back World Series if Teixeira signs an extension.
You saying that Rangers fans don’t want to believe Teixeira will go to the HOF because of those sorts of personal reasons is ridiculous, and a reflection of your own insecurities and your own erroneous thinking.
You were wrong, absolutely wrong, about that move, and be it stubbornness, ignorance, or cognitive dissonance, you refuse to admit it.
You’d be better off never mentioning Mark Teixeira again, because every time you do, you make yourself look foolish.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
It also fits right in
with his constant worrying about losing “core” players to free agency, trade, whatever. Every season there are a couple of guys that the Rangers simply must keep to avoid certain doom. And then doom doesn’t happen. But then next year, OMG, they simply must resign, thumbs up asses, etc. etc. etc.
Tired-assed chicken little routine.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
POST SEASON KOUFAX!!!!
THEY DIDN’T SIGN POST SEASON KOUFAX!!!!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
That'a boy
now take the next step and you’ll be golden. As we know that won’t happen, just take the day off tomorrow and let LL’s Matthew moderate so we can be sure someone finally does what needs to be done.
Oh...good gawd.
The argument was always about whether or not Tex was going to the HOF and had nothing to do with whether or not JD fleeced the Atlanta Braves.
The Moment somebody tried to do that, I swatted it to half-court and herded them back into the discussion but please let me know when everybody the Rangers acquired in the Tex Trade equal his WAR since 2007 (24.1 and counting).
Stop fucking worrying about JD’s ability to be the GM of this team….that’s a different argument and that’s where all the LSB insecurities about trading Tex are buried.
2005-2008 really sucked for This Thing and JD was on the front lines for most of it but things are better now for a wide variety of reasons (including the Teixeira trade).
Surely you know a NY Yankee that hits 450-550 HRs on one of the best teams in MLB (that also won a title) is going to the HOF.
Surely.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
STFU
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
lolz
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Shirley
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
if my ciphering is correct
Elvis & Co are at 20 WAR and may very well pass Teixeira this coming year
by RangerMad on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine what will happen when Elvis & Co enter their primes!
Oh, the teeth-gnashing! Oh, the recriminations!
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
especially is Feliz can be a decent 4/5 starter
making 25 to 30 starts. Plus an equal year from Harry, plus another stellar defensive year and maybe an offensive step forward from The King of SS Elvis, and they almost assuredly will pass Tex this year.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
Is 20 less than 24.4?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
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Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
The Rangers have gotten
about 20 WAR for about $6M and change while Teixeira has 24.4 for about $77M.
And Elvis Andrus beat Teixeira in WAR in 2011.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
to sum up
Better to remain silent and let others think of you as an idiot, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - JParks
"It’s unusual that Sickels is higher on a low-A prospect than those of us who follow the Rangers’ system closely." -rooster on Jan 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST talking about the son of Judeska and Chesmond
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
No...just give me a compelling argument that
demonstrates why Tex isn’t going to the HOF.
Everything else was debris.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I shouldn't respond to you, but. . .
His point was not that Rice was actually the most feared player. We all know he wasn’t really.
It’s that “Most Feared Hitter of His Generation” was the recently-born meme that writers started using to argue him for Cooperstown. That was literally the entire argument of several writers.
Sorry for breaking my vow.
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credentials
here is what writers look at
Teixeira
lead AL in HR(1), RBI, Runs(1), 2 AS games, 1 mvp top 5, 4 GG
Rice
lead AL in HR(3), RBI, Hits(1), 8 AS games, 1 MVP and 4 other top 5 finishes
His DAR (doucheness above replacement) is just off the charts
Clearly worthy of HoF considerations.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Yankees lead te league in DAR every year
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
basically what ever team Nick Swisher is on
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
My favorite part was Calcaterra's comment...
Unofficially, I believe that Yankees players are dominating the BSOHL tally this season.
Who knew the Yankees had hired Kevin Millwood as a strength and conditioning advisor….
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
FIGJAM
Fuck I’m Great Just As Me
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
Reminds me of what a guy named Bateman once said:
“Well, you can always be thinner… look better.”
by RyanBlueThunder on Feb 1, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I read somewhere that he's going to bunt if that's what he need to do to beat dat shift
I would love to see Tex bunting when we play against the Yanks.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 1, 2012 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I want the Rangers to bunt a lot against CC....
Just remembering that game last season where he had to field 2 bunts in the same inning was comical…
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Oswalt
There’s going to be some weird outcome, like with Fielder. My take.
Nothing obvious seems to want to happen. Everyone says he’s into St. Louis or Texas, but those talks happened. Nothing.
Eh.
Go Strangers.
MYSTERY TEAM!!!
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
RIP Don.
We wish you love, peace, and soul.
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