Jim Bowden suggests Texas should trade Perez for Span
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 12:31 PM CST
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Over at ESPN, Jim Bowden has suggested that the Rangers should trade Martin Perez to the Twins for Denard Span.
I should just ignore this suggestion as non-sensical and move on, but there's not much else to talk about right now...
Bowden's argument is that 1) Span gives the Rangers a better chance to win now than if they wait for Leonys Martin to develop, and 2) he's under team control through 2015 so he's not just a rental.
Except those two reasons ultimately contradict each other. With Leonys Martin waiting in the wings, if you want a better chance to win now and you don't want to rely on a Julio Borbon/Craig Gentry platoon, you go get a rental, someone like Marlon Byrd, who will cost you a lot less to acquire than Martin Perez.
You would only pay the additional freight to get Denard Span if you didn't have a viable long-term option in centerfield. But the Rangers clearly think Leonys Martin is that guy, so you're in a situation where, at the beginning of 2013, you're having to trade either Martin or Span.
The other problem is that Span isn't that good. He turns 28 this month, so he's probably about as good as he's going to get. He had a .264/.328/.359 line in 2011, and a .264/.331/.348 line in 2010. And he's a good, but not great, defender in center.
Bowden, incidentally, justifies this move in part by saying that Span could be the team's leadoff hitter...because what the Rangers need is a leadoff hitter with a .330 OBP and no power.
So the Rangers would be trading their best pitching prospect for a guy who doesn't really offer an upgrade over their current situation, who doesn't look like a good long term solution, and really isn't a very good player.
I don't get this.
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i'm picturing Bowden reading this before ultimately just sighing and saying "shit"
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This is a worse trade idea than any newburgh (that isn't trolling) could come up with
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Newbie*
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thought you were talking about Jamey
and his wild trade ideas
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That was dangerously close to Newberg.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I get it
Span’s agent pleaded with Bowden to say something about it last night over drinks in LA.
by Jared Bondesson on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions
Or was it the Twins GM?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks, Jim.
We’ll take Aaron Hicks instead.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
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Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Nice
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
aren't they shooting the new season now
when does that season release? anyone…
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
There is a reason he is a former GM
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I kind of liked Span pre-injury
but until he shows that he is 100% for an extended period after the concussion I don’t see how anyone giving serious value for him could even be considered. Not to mention the huge pileup it would cause behind him with Borbon, Gentry and Martin, who we presumably gave all that money to just a year ago for a reason.
Span was very good in 2008 and 2009.
Then took a steep decline once they started playing at Target Field. His decline coincided nearly exactly with Morneau getting injured. It might be nothing but it is weirdly coincidental.
Plus Target Field murders the power numbers for lefties.
I don’t think the Rangers should give up Perez for Span but he’s vastly underrated by people on this board. The one big thing that would scare me is his injury concerns. Bad concussion last year.
I agree with Adam
I don’t know why the Rangers would want Span. So, no I wouldn’t even consider that.
I think Span is a pretty good baseball player and has a decent shot to turn it back around, especially in a new park. I just don’t see him as a good fit for the Rangers.
I guess we can bring back Byrd
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The new CBA says you can only have one Martin per team
That’s why we have to trade Perez.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
AJM <3 Marlon Byrd
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions
He's not alone.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I wonder if the club clearly thinks Leonys Martin is the future
I am probably knee jerking after knee jerking a lot when I thought Martin would get called up last year. But I do wonder how sure they are that Martin is the starting CF in 2013
I share your skepticism.
The only thing going for the guy thus far is the amount of money we’ve invested in him.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
In his interview last Friday on Ben & Skin
Daniels mentioned Leonys and how he’ll compete for the starting job this spring. He said he’s not worried about him hitting, he knows he’ll hit (and then as an aside said don’t bring this up again if he doesn’t [chuckle]) it’s the adjusting to the other elements they are working on and are what needs to progress for him to be ready.
From that interview it sounds like they are still planning on it… which of course should be taken with appropriate grain of salt like any mention that Moreland is our 1B that they fully support.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Did he chuckle or did you chuckle?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
He chuckled.
If anyone hasn’t listened to it they should. It’s on Ben & Skin’s podcast list. 40 minute interview with lots of good stuff.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
wonder who gets the 5th OF spot
Martin needs to be in AAA playing everyday. Borbon sucked in winter ball. Maybe JD waits till the end of ST for an OFer and backup SS to hit the waiver wires.
I think he's calling Gentry the 3rd/4th OF
Hamilton
Cruz
Murphy
Gentry
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It won't
Hamilton will play center some with Murphy in left. Last year Chavez played 83 games, Gentry 64 and Murphy 120. There is no chance Borbon and Gentry strictly split center field.
CF starts were
59 Chavez
33 Gentry
30 Hamilton
28 Borbon
11 Murphy
So maybe your 2/3 split is fairly accurate. I think Wash will go with the hot hand though.
Murphy needs to never play CF again.
That was awful.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Missing most of the regular season...
What did Murphy do bad as CF?
*not suggesting I ever want to see him as CF
He's not fast enough and had problems moving backwards
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
how much of a problem do i have with
90 gentry
40 hamilton
20 other
zero.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Gentry
I bet a .599 OPS vs RHP might change your mind.
My vote is with Gentry.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
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Satcel Paige Price has some thought on Bowden’s trade ideas
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/1/31/2761616/responding-to-bowdens-trade-ideas
Craig Gentry for Danny Hultzen
Do it JD!!
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I really don't get how Jim Bowden ever had a job as a GM
he is so damn stupid
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I've mentioned this before, but...
…he’s pretty similar to Jon Daniels.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Can you elaborate?
Because from my limited understanding Daniels has been successful and Bowden doesn’t appear to have had much success.
his people drafted some pretty studly players back in the day
votto, zimmerman, dunn
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Hired young
Considered very forward-thinking at that time. Had some success. Was really into the “toolsy” players.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 1, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Grant Frisbee
talks about Oswalt
As for the Red Sox, who have an opening, an acute need, and a clear yen for Oswalt’s services? It sure looks like if Oswalt wanted to be a Red Sock, he would be by now. Or maybe this whole thing is a way to make the Red Sox overpay for his services. Maybe instead of the Yuni of creating leverage, he’s the Omar Vizquel. He could do this for decades more if required.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
HAHAH Marteen for Span?
Is this real life?
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by AfterSchoolSpecial on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions
Rosenthal says the Rangers have "assured" Feliz and Harrison they'll be in the rotation
in an article about how Oswalt is fooling himself thinking he’s going to get $10M from either the Cards or the Rangers:
The Rangers, meanwhile, have assured right-hander Neftali Feliz and lefty Matt Harrison of places in their starting rotation, leaving them without an opening for Oswalt. Lefty Derek Holland and right-handers Colby Lewis and Yu Darvish likely will be the Rangers’ other starters, pushing righty Alexi Ogando to the bullpen.
Ok, if Feliz and Harrison have been told they’ll be in the rotation there really is no room for Oswalt.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Well, that just means we can crank up the rumors of a Holland trade...
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Darvish to the pen.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Feb 1, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This makes the most sense
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He does need to carry that girly backpack, though
doesn’t he? A nice big Hello Kitty backpack seems just the thing.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
He's a guy
so he’ll probably be sporting a Doraemon one.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
People are going to think you're serious.
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"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Does anyone think
that if the Rangers can get Oswalt for a team friendly deal they would be looking to deal Lewis as opposed to Ogando or Harrison?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Probably not
Lewis is cheap, but will probably provide about the same production as Oswalt and won’t bring back a very good haul. You’d pretty much be paying 5 million+ for a low level prospect and slightly better production.
and you'd have the less reliable pitcher
as far as health is concerned
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Could
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Could we actually get anything for Colby?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
a team friendly extension?
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 1, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I would think Boston would give something decent for Colby
unless they prefer Padilla as their 5th SP.
The ONLY
way I think this happens is if Oswalt lowers his asking price AND is willing to simply be a long man with the possibility of starting if someone is injured or ineffective.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
His asking price is reasonable.
Just because he isn’t a good fit for our roster doesn’t mean he asking price is out of line.
It's apparently out of line
if nobody else seems to want to pay it. It’s not like this league suddenly can do without a true $10M talent starting pitcher.
Maybe Bowden was talking about Neftali Perez.....
Yeah…that’s it….he got confused……..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 1, 2012 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Man, he's really fallen off since "Ball Four"
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