Sunday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 AM CST
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PrintSo the big story today is the Rangers avoiding arbitration with Mike Napoli, meaning that the Rangers have settled all their arbitration cases once again. The last time the Rangers went to arbitration with a player was in 2000, with Lee Stevens.
Jeff Wilson has a story on the Rangers and Napoli working out a one year, $9.4 million agreement.
Anthony Andro has a story on the Napoli agreement at Fox Sports Southwest.
Richard Durrett has a story on the agreement with Napoli at ESPN Dallas.
Gerry Fraley has a story at the DMN blog about the Rangers working out a deal with Napoli.
Behind the paywall, Fraley says that the interleague schedule could work to the Rangers' advantage in the A.L. West.
Randy Galloway has a column listing things he's been wrong about, and the list includes Nolan Ryan, Jon Daniels, and Ron Washington.
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•Don’t be surprised if Vladimir Guerrero, Magglio Ordonez, Xavier Nady, or Manny Ramirez wind up with the Phillies.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 10:37 AM CST reply actions
ummm yeah.. vlad will not wind up in the NL...
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
well shit.. i guess he could be a late inning bench bat.
surely there is an AL team that vlad would be an upgrade over at DH.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Phillies traded for Jim Thome last year
Clearly they are willing to take on a guy with no defensive ability
Actually no they signed him this year.
Someone to fill in for Ryan Howard.
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
Clownballings in left field
with Vlad, Maggs, Prof. X, and Manny
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Phils get to use a DH or something?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
are they the oldest team in baseball?
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 10:51 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
The New York Yankees say hi
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
don't know why
I am not speaking to them.
Phillie, Arizona, NY top three last year.
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
How was Arizona top 3?
They were in the younger half of the MLB in age of position players and pitchers.
Would you just look at that handsome sumbitch?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Feb 12, 2012 10:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
His chin alone could be a replacement level catcher
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I first thought it was Lance Berkman
then I put on my glasses and was temporarily blinded
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 10:53 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Shoop ba-doop
Expectation is the root of all heartache. — William Shakespeare
by TheDutchOven on Feb 12, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
He could be your long lost brother.
Not that you’re handsome or anything.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
He looks like he is taking a shit in that pic
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
UIF........... encarnacion? do we have anyone at AAA that could fill that role?
i guess its good if my only worry is UIF going into spring training.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions
I so badly want it to be Luery
And I know how stupid it is too
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
As long as you're not expecting any offense, it could work.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Hopefully he wouldn't play more than a dozen games or so
Offense shouldn’t be the worry with our UIF
blanco put up
a 54 wRC+ and a 76 wRC+ 2 years ago
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
just a comparison
in 2010 (healthy/full season)
31 starts at 2b
2 starts at 3B
15 starts at SS
i would probably rather have garcia in here at essentially 0 cost than pay someone like renteria 1+ mm for very average defense (-3 in +/- last 2 years combined, 1.4 UZR/150 last year at SS) and who has never played any position other than SS (8 IP in his career at non SS positions)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
That was in 2010
When Young was the 3B.
Now with Young being the first choice to play the field at 2B or 3B if needed our UIF is really only needed as a backup SS
hmm good point
i was thinking more along the lines of “didnt play 3B because FOTF = durable, same as beltre” but that is right
i would just prefer to get very good defense + lower wRC+ (and lower cost) out of my backup SS than pay him a couple of mil to have a guy who is going to have a wRC+ that is low and play below avg defense
good point about young
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
That was in 2010
When Young was the 3B.
Now with Young being the first choice to play the field at 2B or 3B if needed our UIF is really only needed as a backup SS
edwin?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I won't bother recapping yesterday's twitter scrum with Evan
but one very interesting, salient point to come out of it: Evan says Napoli is asking for less than what VMart got last winter.
If that’s the case, expect him to be extended pretty soon.
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just tweeted this
That Napoli settled below the midpoint and recognizes value closer to $9 mm than $10 makes revisiting multi-year deal more realistic.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
suggest to me hes eating ideas and blowing them out his ass on the back of the toilet
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
sign him for
13:$10M, 14:$11M, 15:$12M with a $700K bonus. So you have him for 4yrs/$43M.
Too much?
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hell no...that's a bargain.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
agreed do it
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
This almost exactly what I was thinking about last night.
A 3 yr / $33M tacked on to the $9.4M for 4 yr / $42.4M total.
Pretty much what I wanted to give him back in November.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
He's an idiot if he signs that unless he believes 2011 was a fluke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
x
He just took $2M less than he asked for in arb and well below the midway point. He doesn’t have enough PA per year to really warrant the same kind of money as a guy like V-Mart.
From the DMN:
Napoli can become a free agent after the season. Grieper indicated a willingness to revisit talks on a multi-year deal at any time and said the settlement rather than going to a hearing on Wednesday in Tampa was a sign of good faith.
“Mike wants to stay with the Rangers,‘’ Grieper said. ``This is one of the ways of showing that desire.’’
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Feb 12, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Odd thought by me
VMart played a lot of 1B which may have helped his PAs. He seemed to be a crappy catcher so by playing more at a less physically demanding position perhaps that helped him in getting a contract that was excessive. So maybe because Naps is actually an OK catcher he is forced to play the more demanding position which decreases his PAs which decreases his monetary value. Sucks for him when you think it about it that way.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
do you understand anything other than batting avg?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Where would $11M/yr place him among catchers?
I searched for catcher salaries but my phone doesn’t like me
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:33 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Pretty far up there I believe.
Mauer and V-Mart might be the only guys more… if you want to count V-Mart as a catcher.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
that mauer contract looks bad now
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
It looked pretty bad the moment it was signed
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From an ownership standpoint not so much.
When looked at in the totality of the Twins’ situation, and the fact they have a new stadium it and Morneau’s contract helped make possible. Seems like Mauer + Morneau = many millions in increased franchise value = winnar! if you’re the Twins’ owner
"If Josey were a composer, he’d be Salieri." t ball February 15, 2011
by spliffy on Feb 12, 2012 3:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
IF this is true ...Napoli will sign for less than what VMart signed last year ...WTF?!?!!
You’ll spend $ 110 million on a pitcher who has never recorded an out in The Show but you won’t extend Napoli?
That’s fucking stupid.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
It's a process /Garrett
First you get this year taken care of and avoid the ugliness of arbitration. Then you have a more comfortable window within which you can negotiate a long term deal.
All assumption on my part, but I don’t see any reason it can’t be the case.
So we're stacking things right now? / Garrett
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
When Napoli’s arb demands came out I lifted blame from the FO for no long term deal given his asking price for 2012. But now that he has signed for 9.4, which im still shocked at by the way, and reports that hes asking for less than what VMart got im jumping back on the FO for not getting something done yet.
Napoli isn't as good as Martinez
And Martinez was overpaid.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
So you think VMart is going to be better than Napoli over the next 4-5 years? Interesting.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say that
Martinez was a free agent last offseason, and has now torn an ACL.
Napoli is a free agent next offseason, so you’re two years removed from the Martinez deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
But you have said that you believe in the fangraphs formula that determines value (how much a player is worth)...
fangraphs said VMart was worth $ 13.2 million last year which means he was underpaid.
To say VMart is better than Napoli now is complete bullshit.
Napoli is a much better hitter than VMart and can also play defense (VMart was a DH last year and will be for the rest of his career).
Mike Napoli is a much better player than VMart and has been for at least one year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Martinez isn't better than Napoli now because Martinez won't play in 2012
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
VMart will play in 2013-2014 and Napoli will be better than him.
Are you ignoring what fangraphs has to say about VMart’s value in 2011?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
The problem with giving Napoli a Martinez-esque contract is the same problem with giving Martinez the contract
It isn’t the first year. It is the years beyond, the fact that the player is going to decline, the fact that Napoli, like Martinez, isn’t likely to be able to give you tons of games behind the plate, the fact that as a player gets older he gets injured more often (see, e.g., Victor Martinez).
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
That didn't stop JD from giving Beltre that contract...his walk rates (which is a very big deal with you - see Josh)
are embarrassing and he broke down this past year….do you feel like that contract is killing or will eventually kill the Rangers?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
You realize Beltre won the SS AND GG last year right?
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 12, 2012 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes...but we're talking about whether or not Beltre's contract
is killing or is eventually going to kill the Rangers…see AJM’s quote -
“It isn’t the first year. It is the years beyond, the fact that the player is going to decline, the fact that Napoli, like Martinez, isn’t likely to be able to give you tons of games behind the plate, the fact that as a player gets older he gets injured more often (see, e.g., Victor Martinez).”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Btw, you should check into Beltre's injury record
The guy doesn’t get hurt a lot. Even if he missed some time last year due to an injury, doesn’t necesarrily mean he’s going to be injured in the future.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 12, 2012 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we're using your method of evaluating Beltre and employing that for Napoli
Don’t forget to throw out Napoli’s 2011 1.361 OPS in Sept/Oct since that doesn’t mean shit in your world
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Napoli had a .971 overall OPS on September 1. He also had a higher road OPS (1078) than home OPS (1110).
Beltre was a mirage as a hitter last year…if he wasn’t at home, he sucked. You can’t say that about Napoli.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think there's a good argument to be made that Napoli has real value
you’re not doing a very good job at making it, though.
by Jobu. on Feb 12, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
xx
player A:
2011 home wRC+: 184
2011 road wRC+: 92
career home wRC+: 105
career road wRC+: 117
player B:
2011 home wRC+: 146
2011 road wRC+: 109
career home wRC+: 126
career road wRC+: 92
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
player A = ABeltre
Player B = MYoung
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Still pissed Face got a first place vote for MVP
and finished in the Top 10…lolz
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
this is a serious question
how in the world do you bash beltre (109 wRC+, career .797 OPS) but love michael young so much (107 wRC+, career .801 OPS)
like above, you bash beltre by saying:
if he wasn’t at home, he sucked.
the dude’s wRC+ on the road last year (92) was equal to young’s wRC+ on the road for his career (92, which includes last year’s 109)
I really do not undestand it. I know you place a ton of value on OBP, and young does have a higher OBP, which is mainly BA driven – young and beltre have essentially the same BB% (6.8% for beltre, 6.7% for young)
I do not understand how you consistently hate on a guy who has essentially been Michael Young with the bat over his career (and actually very slightly better – 2 points in wRC)
Help me understand here…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously hate on a guy?
You’re full of shit (once again)…I’ve said multiple times that Beltre was one of the best players in MLB last year when healthy and playing at home.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ok lets be more specific, since you totally ignored my entire article
are quick to say that when beltre “wasn’t at home, he sucked” but have never mentioned that about michael young, ever. despite his low road wRC/wOBA
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
What part of me saying
Beltre being one of the best players in MLB when healthy and playing at home do you not understand?
Yeah, I ignore just about everything you write…it’s a good thing to remember.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
ok
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
You just said Beltre was a "mirage" of a hitter (whatever the hell that means) and that he straight sucked in 1/2 of his games
Not the highest praise. And when you half assed try to praise Beltre you qualify it with “when healthy.” Napoli was injured last year and is probably still suffering from the ankle injury.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Beltre was a mirage of a hitter...check out his road stats.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't.
Called him one of the best players in MLB last year when healthy and playing at home.
How did you miss that?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I like you two picked up where you left off hours later.
by elchicodelgado on Feb 12, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Josey Wales is the 'beergut' of baseball blogs...
ignore him so he can go argue with the sign post in his front yard…
"It was impossible to get a conversation going. Everybody was talking too much" - Yogi Berra
Its like Josey has his own version of Godwin's law
Every conversation of his will eventually lead to Beltre in some way.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I think that deal is not going to look good the last couple of years
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Do you still think VMart was overpaid last year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think 4 years, $52 million was too much to pay Martinez
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
He was an integral part of a team that went to Game 6
of the ALCS and fangraphs (which have cited in the past) said he was worth $ 13.2 million in 2011.
The injury that’s knocking out his 2012 happened in the off-season.
Insurance covers, what, 80% of the money ($ 10.5 million) he’s owed in 2012 so then it comes down to how he performs in 2013-2014.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Where did you get the insurance figure?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
You don't want to know
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It has been floated around a bit.
There is no way of confirming it. I doubt the actual insurance payment won’t be paid until after the season anyhow.
lol I really do
because I don’t think its ever been said how much a team saves with insurance. If its something like 80%, than teams should have no problem money whipping a guy like Hamilton knowing that they can get back almost all of that money lost when he’s hurt.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
doubt you could get insurance on hamilton
for example, amar’e stoudmire couldnt get his contract insured in the NBA
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
That would make the most sense
I’d still like to know where Josey got the 80% figure from.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Also I'm pretty sure insurance only works if he's out the entire year
"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking
You are oversimplifying
Every situation is different. Insurance premiums aren’t all the same. Insurance payments don’t come up front.
Yup
And one thing everyone is forgetting is the team has to PAY for the insurance and different risks carry different premiums. Who the hell knows how much it costs to insure Hammy. This isn’t money that falls out of the sky when someone gets injured. And the certain scenario is that insurance companies are paying less for injured players than they bring in.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who forgot that teams have to pay for insurance?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You
You act like it’s pennies from heaven.
Josh’s contract carries additional expenses above and beyond Werth’s due to his risk or he’s simply uninsureable which is another risk/cost.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought I heard or read
a few years ago that fewer player contracts were being insured. Primarily due to high premiums.
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
per Chris Singleton tweet
Napoli is third highest paid C in baseball
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 2:09 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Is your general philosophy
to avoid any deal that likely won’t look good in the last couple of years?
I’m not saying that’s wrong, necessarily. I just think it’s going to be very difficult to retain and acquire target in free agency with that attitude, and you risk falling behind competitively.
I'm curious what you think about the Tulo deal.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I don't mind it all
Locking up a superstar at $20M per (irrc) isn’t too shabby.
Especially since I think payroll might inflate soon when these TV deals start hitting.
What sucks is that VMart's contract is the standard.
VMart couldn’t catch gonnorhea on Harrry Hines Blvd. Great bat, no catch.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I disagree with "Napoli isn't as good as Martinez"
Napoli has a higher offensive ceiling, and can still play catcher.
Just because VMart is lower variance and has less injury concern doesn’t make him the better player, imo.
It's insane to claim Napoli (in the present) isn't as good as Martinez.
Was Napoli better than VMart going into 2011? No, but he’s a much better player in 2011 and going forward.
His agent is an idiot if he accepts less than what VMart received.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's insane to suggest it
It depends what your definition of “better is”
I think if you show you can be a star player, teams are more likely to forgive some injury history. Also, we know Naps was personally limited by Scoscia in LAAA…
We clearly won’t see another ‘11, but I don’t think we can say definitively that there last year was pure fluke, and Napoli will go back to sub-.500 SLG’s. If Naps shows good defense and a .900 OPS again, he’ll have a Beltre-esque contract waiting for him, imo.
The good ol' "His agent sucks" defense
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
His agent will take the best contract he can get
and he won’t be a genius or an idiot because of it.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
How does he have a higher offensive ceiling?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
By putting up a better offensive season than V-Mart ever did?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Seriously?
Napoli is 30 years old. He had a great 2/3rds of a season last year (remember, he only played in 113 games). But to say that 2011 establishes that he has a higher “ceiling” than Martinez had after 2010 is nonsensical.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think Napoli's 2011 was a fluke?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Of course 2011 was a fluke
He’s not inherently a 1046 OPS player.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
yes
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
We're not talking about prospects here
If Martinez has ever put up 432 PAs as good as what Napoli did last year, then I’d say he doesn’t have the higher ceiling. As I don’t believe that’s the case, I’d give the edge to Napoli. I’m not talking about likelihood to reach those ceilings like that, but we’ve seen the best case offensive scenario for Napoli and for Martinez to date, and Napoli has the better season.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Just my opinion
If you aggregate his last four seasons, he has a .360 OBP and .536 SLG
That .896 OPS is better than any single season from V-Mart. And that’s for a catcher…
A good defensive catcher who also won't kill you at 1B
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
good defensive catchers
typically play more than 60 games at catcher
remind me, how many times has napoli caught more than 95 games in his career?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's not really that fair considering how much Scioscia hated him
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
why do people suddenly think
mike napoli a “good” defensive catcher
he just isnt.
is he average? yes.
but he is far from an above avg defensive catcher.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
He came here with a reputation that absolutely no one refuted as being a HORRIBLE defensive catcher.
When we traded Treanor in ST, I floated the idea that maybe the Rangers didn’t think he was horrible and everyone told me I was nuts.
I think Napoli has probably redeemed himself defensively as being “okay” at catcher, which is a big upgrade compared to last season.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
xx
I think Napoli has probably redeemed himself defensively as being "okay" at catcher, which is a big upgrade compared to last season.
yes!
look if napoli was really and truly a good C, wouldnt he have caught more than yorvit? he of the 1.1 WAR and 84 wRC+ (caught 113 games)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
He did catch more than Yorvit once he got healthy.
I think in part because of how well he worked with Holland and Harrison and in part because they wanted his bat in the lineup as much as possible.
I think in 2012 if everyone is healthy, Napoli and Torrealba will have a pretty even split of catching duties to keep Napoli from getting worn out. Both catch about 81 games and then Napoli gets another big chunk from 1B/DH when Young is playing 1B, 2B or 3B.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i would expect, assuming health
that to be close to right (+/- 10 games) at C
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think our 1B situation last year had more to do with his playing time at C than his ability at C
He isn’t a gold glover and with Yorvit being good as well it was best for our team to have Yorvit catch and Napoli play 1B more.
If we had a Teagarden as our backup catcher last year I think we would have seen much more Napoli behind the plate
uhh
teagarden started 8 games (14 total games played at C) last year.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Teagarden was our 3rd catcher last year
Most of his starts came when Napoli was on the DL
If our two catchers last year were Napoli and Teagarden I highly doubt we would have seen Teagarden get 95 games at C like Yorvit got last year
8 starts!
and of course he would have played more than teagarden, the dude hasnt had a wRC+ of over 59 in 3 years / 100+ games
no shit.
if it had been yorvit and teagarden, i bet yorvit would have caught more games as well
i would bet Treanor would have caught more games than teagarden as well!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
So then you agree with me
That because we had such a decent 2nd catcher in Yorvit we were able to play Napoli more at 1B given our deficiencies there in order to help the team most.
But that shows nothing about how “good” a catcher Napoli is
napoli is not a good defensive catcher
he just is not.
(FYI: not saying that yorvit is a great one either)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
this is your arguement?
i said he is average.
“good enough”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
No you didn't say he is average
napoli
94 games caught his rookie year
95 games caught in 09
the rest of the time he has been between 75 (high, in both 07 & 08) and 61 (low, last year)
mike napoli is not a good defensive catcher.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Note the bolded part
mike napoli is not a good defensive catcher
he is in the middle 50%
he is not int he bottom 25%
he is not in the otp 25%
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Good is above average.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think that's necessarily true
You can’t assume that the 40, or whatever, catchers playing in the MLB all lie perfectly on a continuum of bad to good.
Average is a term of skill how I'm using it.
Not a quantifier of the median catchers currently in the league.
Change it to good is better than adequate if those words sound better to you.
Napoli is adequate.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I remember reading and hearing
from the Rangers that they were raving about Napoli’s defense last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Sorry, its probably me
But I don’t understand your post.
I thought you were supporting kok’s analysis, showing Naps is in the middle of MLB catchers, currently, defensively.
Oh... I z'ed through that aspect.
I’m not comparing Napoli to the current state of the league… just to the general range of skill that a theoretical catcher can provide.
I would not be comfortable calling Napoli a “good” or “above average” catcher based on the information we have.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
yes!!
as usual m1 puts it much better than i do
I would not be comfortable calling Napoli a "good" or "above average" catcher based on the information we have.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think the club
stated (maybe last st or the beginning of the season) that they did not think his rep was warranted. Now while not a ringing endorsement, I think it meant that they thought his catchability was fringe ave/ave (an upgrade on this team to be sure- see Salty, MaxRam). I think the league sentiment was likely the same; why would the Ranger’s prof. scouts be the only one’s to be of that opinion? However, one really interesting thing to consider is that he was in a rut with the Angels, with Sciosia always riding him, using him in certain ways, and talking about his limitations in the pres. In Texas, the atmosphere was more positive and that likely allowed him to work on his game with different coaches without all of that baggage and have more confidence in it as a result. His #s improved across the board and he controlled the running game the best he ever has to date. The situation with TExas was just ideal for him at this point in his career. Salty might be in the same situation with Boston (we’ll see). The only thing that people seem to be right about is that his body type is not suited to catching 120 games.
I think he is also
a bit mechanical about his pitch calling but I’ll take the whole package with no hesitation…
I felt the same way about Torri
to my surprise, as I thought he was the catchability guy. Maybe being more familiar with the pitchers and league will help…
PB, E, WP, SBA, CS%
all much improved across the board. The reduction in SB attempts compared to his previous years is pretty eye catching, though, the factors for that might be (mostly) unrelated to Napoli (IDK).
Last year, Beyond The Box Score had him rated as the 12th best defensive catcher in baseball
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
That's interesting
But that’s not all inclusive… his reputation was so bad that you can’t just throw it out the window. We’re still not really there with defensive metrics on catchers. Even what BTB is doing.
But it is support for Napoli not being terrible the way everyone said he was when we got him.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
His reputation is so hugely biased by DoucheFace though
that its tough for me to put so much value in that. When your manager slams your work behind the plate all the time, its got to make your job harder than usual. I agree a lot with what Goyo says above, at least as a strong possibility of what happened.
And the Rangers seem to have a lot of faith in Napoli behind the plate. If they sign him to an extension, we’ll have even more evidence of this.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
hmm ok
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
You're better off communicating with pics
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
napoli
94 games caught his rookie year
95 games caught in 09
the rest of the time he has been between 75 (high, in both 07 & 08) and 61 (low, last year)
mike napoli is not a good defensive catcher.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
you are correct.
however, if you are a good defensive catcher — you will actually be catching/playing catcher more often.
It is not like Yorvit or Mathis are the Bill Mazeroski’s of catchers.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yorvit is good enough both offensively and defensively
That it was best for our team last year to have Napoli play 1B given how Moreland was playing from June on
why do you think he is a good defensive catcher?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think hes a decent catcher
He works well with some of our young pitchers and is adequate blocking balls in the dirt. Has a good arm to cut down runners.
Im not saying hes a great defensive catcher but you said “mike napoli is not a good defensive catcher.” which I strongly disagree with
since there are not any great catcher stats out there
i am going to just use fangraphs FLD stat (again, not the best ever i am sure)
there are 40 catchers with 200+ ABs that played some C
the leader is matt wieters (5.0 fld), last place is a tie btwn varitek, c santana, jp arencibia at -5)
mike napoli is almost exactly in the middle at -0.4
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Framing pitches?
One of the recent studies showed he was terrible at that. Also showed Mathis was great at it.
That said… Napoli was good enough defensively to be a starting defensive catcher.
I’d just limit his time behind the plate because we have the luxury of Torrealba.
And because Napoli gets hurt.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Laird was rated as the worst in the league when he was in Arlington
wasn’t he?
"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11
yes
napoli is good enough
good enough != good
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
remind me
which site that came from; I can’t recall.
BP i believe
check out the BTB link below, they have a link in the story to fast’s article on BP about it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
gotcha
I looked at all of these articles during the offseason but book marked nary a one…
yeah i remember seeing the fast article on BP
and meaning to bookmark it myself, i was glad they linked it – i didn tremmeber if i saw it on BTB, BP, tango or where
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Last year's numbers heavily influenced those
He needs to be more than just a half season player who puts up nice offensive and defensive numbers before we give him a V-Mart contract.
by dumdum000333 on Feb 12, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
113 games is not half a season
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
He has been a half season player for the majority of his career.
by dumdum000333 on Feb 12, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Considering the expected price tag for Napoli and the position he's playing most of the time
That’s not bad at all.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
napoli the last 2 years:
1b: 105 games
C: 127 games
he isnt playing catcher “most of the time”, he is playing ~55% of the time
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
the situations of each?
napoli is an “ok” defensive catchers.
he is no wizard.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody is saying he is
Hes also not “not a good defensive catcher” like you said
in 2010 he played 1B a majority of the time due to the injury to Morales.
Last year he played a lot of 1B due to Mitch forgetting how to hit the baseball starting in June
why do you think he is a good defensive catcher?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
He would be playing more at catcher
If his bat wasn’t that good on teams lacking good 1B options. In 2010, it was an Angels team with Morales out. In 2011, it was a Rangers team with a struggling Moreland at 1st and Young also playing other positions on the field.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
As a mostly full-time catcher, he was never going to average much more than 130 games a year
As it is, he’s only played in fewer than 99 games twice in his career and over the past 3 years has averaged 122 games per season. Yes, he’s had his fair share of injury concerns, but you’re blowing them out of proportion when you’re saying he’s only a half a season player.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
by Gdawg on Feb 12, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
x
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love to see who ends up with the bigger contract
Yadier Molina or Napoli.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
LSB loves Napoli
so it is the FO fault if he doesn’t sign an extension. Teixeira was a douche so it is not the FO fault that he didn’t sign an extension
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:25 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Tex was not going to re-sign with the Rangers....
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 12, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Not when the FO gave him an offer that was more than $ 40 million below market value.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
x
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
At least $40M
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
how do we know Napoli isn't set on testing FA?
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
From his agent
"Mike wants to stay with the Rangers," Grieper said. “This is one of the ways of showing that desire.”
That doesn’t mean he won’t… but I don’t think he’s dead set on it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
he just wants a fair offer :)
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Actually, I think he wants to avoid risk.
Guy gets hurt a lot.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yep
Not many games played over his career, for a variety of reasons.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
zoom
did you feel that fly over your head?
by RangerMad on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Nope.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
where else is gona find a place with 2 solid catchers
and flexibility of DH and 1b option for him..he extends his career staying here
yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
time to cash in
if he gets hurt next year he isnt sniffing 10mm AAV
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
For the union and future players, right?
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
But the Dodgers may come calling.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
if a team in baseball wants to make napoli their fulltime catcher
i wish them the best of luck.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
and 5 of those love Wails
and unfortunate subset
by Goyogringo on Feb 12, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Granpa Urine is funny
It’s only a limited collection of foul tips from this column
I think I like him a little because of his sense of humor.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
I actually liked that column
Also his interview with Narron about Josh was pretty decent. I can’t believe I’ve read two of his columns in the last week.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 12, 2012 2:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Napoli doesn't sign for less than 5/70. Everyone knows this.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I mean, if we offered something like 4/45, he just walks.
Dynasty, my ass.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/12/9/2623289/friday-a-m-rangers-stuff#85145397
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I mean, we need "to run to Napoli with a 5/70"
Run to him.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/12/8/2620750/c-j-wilson-poll#85036270
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
The craziest part of this whole Napoli deal
Is seeing a guy who slammed Napoli repeatedly last year with the whole “instructions” thing and for being jettisoned by Sciosia now latches onto him like a remora. Why? Because he’s the next most convenient way to slam our GM.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
by Aqua on Feb 12, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I raved about him ....think I said he should have been hitting clean-up and catching
75% of our remaining games around Memorial Day.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I said I didn't know what to with Napoli when he was hitting .183 in late May
because even though his average was low, his OPS was .750ish which was a lot better than Yorvit was throwing down (.240ish OBP). The history of MLB suggests that something profound was going to happen one way or another because players hitting .180 don’t get a lot of at bats.
I wasn’t running around here saying that Napoli sucked after the trade was made …the Vast Segments of LSB saying that are full of shit and lying once again…but that’s what they do.
I was skeptical about him because of the low OBP he had when given a chance to play every day…especially when he was one of the few power sources on the Angels.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Closure's point is that when you are unsure of what to do with a player with odd numbers
In a very small sample… looking at BABIP compared to their career numbers is a good way to get a feel of whether it is just a guy with some unlucky at bats or not. That and LD rate.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And 4-5 days after he had a .750 OPS, his OPS was above .900 and he never looked back.
Napoli’s OBP clearly suggested he wasn’t drowning as a hitter but his average suggested something had to give (and it immediately did).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
By the way... from May 31st.
The day after Memorial Day.
He’s incapable of playing every day and only flourishes when going against LH pitching.
The Rangers typically go against RH pitching 70% of the time and Napoli typically sucks against RH pitching.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/5/31/2198486/tuesday-morning-rangers-update#68503535
So not quite Memorial Day for the point your turning point.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Feb 12, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this one right before that
Your WAR doesn’t mean Jack Shit if you’re not in the lineup.
Yeah, it’d be nice if Napoli put up 4.5 WAR this year but it’s not going to mean Jack Shit if he can’t play against a RH pitcher in the playoffs because he can’t hit RH pitching.
“Dying ain’t hard. It’s living that’s hard.”
“Don’t become the ’82 Milwaukee Brewers.”
“You want false modesty? F that.”
by Josey Wales on May 31, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up actions
by bigsteve on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't I say "around Memorial Day"?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Let somebody else suck that bottle of research...I know
what I said and what my thoughts were about Napoli.
I may not remember everything I say but I don’t lie in here…every single word I write in here is closely scrutinized…if you lie, you’ll get busted for it….so if you’re somebody like me, you better not fucking lie because as evidenced today, LSB is chock-full of Do Gooders who want to make it appear that Josey is telling a fib.
It may have June 1 or it may have June 3 or it may have been June 5…I don’t fucking know to be honest but sometime around Memorial Day, I said Napoli needed to be catching 75% of our remaining games and I wanna say I said he should also be hitting clean-up as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
so you're a frontrunner
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Feb 12, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
This is the very first reference to Napoli play 75% of the games at Catcher after Memorial Day
Notice the date.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/8/2/2310951/tuesday-morning-rangers-update#73604330
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 12, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Early August reference to Napoli as a "platoon-plus player" and, at least by implication, inferior to VMart
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/8/5/2346081/8-5-ot-thread-the-friday-edition#73888070
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 12, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This is when the meme seems to get going...
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/8/3/2341739/wednesday-a-m-rangers-stuff#73700318
Notice that there’s never an actual contemporaneous reference to the notion that Napoli should play 75% of the games at Catcher. This is simply revisionism on the heels of Napoli’s monster July. It’s completely made up.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 12, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
And...finally
Memorial Day (or thereabouts) is apparently August 1.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/8/1/2308753/monday-morning-rangers-update#73480315
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 12, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
In conclusion:
Liar.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 12, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Easy there, Pillsbury...
Ryin A in response to Josey Wales…
“I dont understand why youre fixated with him having to be in the lineup everyday….
..or catch 75% of the time (which is it?)
You’re acting like we are still in BK and we signed him to some 4 year deal…
The sleeping giant is awake, 2nd quickest to 1mm attendance.
Relax, Hoopzilla."
by Ryin A on May 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT v
Stick that accusation straight up your expansive ass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said that b/c your bit at the time was that if Napoli wasn't catching 75% of the time he sucked, was making too much for a part time player and it was a failed trade.
My point to you was that it was okay to pay what we were paying him (if he wound up as a guy who only hit v. lhp and a little v. rhp) b/c of new ownership (deep pockets), big time attendance (more $$)…basically we weren’t the Hicksian Rangers.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I mean, it wasn't ideal...but it wasn't going to crush the franchise the way it would've had Hicks (vomit) still owned the team.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Furthermore,
I have no fucking clue what is even being argued.
I was just explaining my thoughts behind what was written.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I know those were your thoughts but
it also validates what I was saying about Napoli needing to catch 75% of the games and you said it on May 31…the day after Memorial Day.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Not if the reason you were saying it was to justify the contract and not because he deserved to hit there.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
yeah, I remember the first thing.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
No...Napoli's OPS on May 31 was .931 and
Yorvit’s was .563 (.243 OBP)…I was arguing that Napoli needed to be the primary catcher.
It cracks me up how the Vast Segments look out for each other but Pillsbury had this one splatter all over him like Jackie Kennedy’s pink dress on November 22, ’63,
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's it, just double down
even when it’s painfully obvious you’re revising history and full of shit.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Ryin said I wanted Napoli to catch
75% of games THE day after Memorial Day….you got your proof.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't need still more proof
that you’re revising history.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Exactly...you have your proof and it pisses you off.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'm not pissed
I’m laughing at you.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The August 1 post ends with "until further notice," but we're supposed to read RyinA's (entirely rhetorical) response to something Josey said on May 31 ...
As confirming Josey’s contemporaneous belief that Napoli should catch 75% of the games.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, oh goodness.
Little bitch got owned again.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Is that back when he was hitting sub .200?
Because I cant for the life of me see you raving about him when he was hitting below the Mendoza line even if we all knew based on his peripherals it wouldn’t last
See above...I didn't know what to do with him at that point because
batters hitting .180 don’t get a lot of at bats.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You didn't know what to do with him?
I raved about him ….think I said he should have been hitting clean-up and catching
75% of our remaining games around Memorial Day.
4-5 days after he was hitting .183, he became en fuego...his OPS shot above .900.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't see that around Memorial Day...
but I do see it in August….
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/8/21/2375273/game-128-game-day-thread#75213572
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Feb 12, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't find anything with "Josey Napoli" before July 31 but
I did happen to see Ryin’s response to me from May 31.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
The Issue has been settled.
All parties were given notice and an opportunity to be heard. Outlaw Josephine has been adjudicated a liar by a jury of his peers.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Oh, goodness, there's this gem too...
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/8/1/2308753/monday-morning-rangers-update#73480858
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
by JDT217 on Feb 12, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is somebody starting to obsess?
Yeah, the Bragadaccio Montage really left a mark.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Stop stalking me, weirdo.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Drop the fork, you fat sonofabitch.
Take a good look around…not too many 300 lbs people make it past 40.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Seriously? You're resorting to calling strangers fat on the Internet.
I don’t always agree with your baseball posts but sometimes I see your point. Sometimes I even think “well, LSB baited him so I get the hostility”. But then you resort to childish name calling. Don’t pull the he started it bullshit because that is old and tired.
by elchicodelgado on Feb 12, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
He's admitted to being 6'5" / 250 & 260 lbs (he thinks I forgot he lied about this)...which
means Eclipse really rolls somewhere between 280-310 lbs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Stop stalking me, weirdo.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Aren't we still looking for a UIF?
@aandro
Rangers GM Jon Daniels says team more than likely done making offseason moves.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
We've invited several to camp.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The most meaningful thing from this (if true)
Is that they haven’t found a deal they like for Koji and are going to roll with him instead of trading and signing Gonzo.
Though I’m not quite convinced that will end up true.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
So you think it's an either/or with Koji vs. Gonzo?
I still want a lefty.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
i want both
:)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Right
we have about 3-4 NRI loogies like every other club (including 3-4 minor league FA loogy signs) but Gonzo is better than a loogy and I think the plan all along was to sign him when his is cleared and they can watch him pitch off the mound after his knee surgery. Check out the roster at my site for all of the names (or the Rangers roster section)
I do.
If the rotation is:
Lewis
Holland
Darvish
Harrison
Feliz
Pen
Nathan
Adams
Ogando
Uehara
Feldman
Lowe/Yoshi
Kirkman/Mystery LH
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It also wouldn't surprise me to see Lowe traded if everyone is healthy
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I like it.
I love it, actually.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
If Koji wants to be here
And can pitch like he did in Baltimore… that would be a TREMENDOUS bullpen.
But there’s been so much smoke on trading Koji that I’m not really optimistic we’ll get that Koji if he stays here. He’s finicky… if he doesn’t want to be here I’m scared he won’t be successful.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i would rather see gonzalez than kirkman
about 100% of the time.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
They don't cost the same.
And Koji (if he’s pitching like Koji) murders LHP. As does Adams.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
*LH hitters
Though I bet they could get out LHP as well.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
if the options are
kirkman + someone like renteria at SS
OR
gonzalez + someone making near the minimum (garcia, NRI, etc)
how often do you go with the second option?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
option 2 no doubt
With Young as the primary backup for 2B and 3B our “UIF” really will only be needed as a backup SS. No need to pay 1 mil for that
yeah that is how i look at it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I think there's another option
Kirkman + someone making near the minimum at UIF
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
good point
of the 3 which do you prefer?
which do you think is most likely?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I prefer for us to have as many talented players as possible.
But I think the cheapest option is the most likely.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
yeah
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think of Yoshi
as a Roogy (if on the roster for more than a month); I’m with Texas on holding out hope that “the guy who touches 100” finally breaks out….we have the depth to keep his type on the roster
Sure...
Lowe > Yoshi
But I could see us trying to get some value out of Lowe in a ST trade if someone else who wants to contend loses a late inning arm and deals for him and we have health.
Won’t be a ton of innings for him (or Yoshi) to breakout if we keep Nathan/Adams/Ogando/Koji
Yoshi takes the O’Day ROOGY role for certain situations.
I think they’ll hold onto Lowe into ST in case anyone gets hurt or if there’s no value.
Most likely situation is Lowe is here all year.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It obviously depends on the value we receive in return
but based on what you’d expect to get from Lowe, I’d rather keep him as depth. Bullpen is as fickle as anything.
Well...
Don’t forget about guys like Hamburger and then NeRa as the season wears down.
And of course, my personal favorite for crazy speed through the system, Matt West. ;)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And... if we're really lucky.
Scheppers takes the job from Lowe in ST leading to a trade.
But let’s not get too crazy.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I think the West hype
has been overstated (the “we’ll see you in August” hype). The guy pitched 1/4 of a season for the first time in his career, in Spokane. To realize his elite ceiling, he’ll have to show plus command in the zone with 2 pitches and that will take some time in the upper minors. Even as a Sept call up it would not surprise me if he didn’t get any innings (just the “soaking it in while on the 40” call up). Just something I’ve been mulling over as a Spokane to ML jump for a kid with just 20 career innings seems, well, you know….
It is absolutely crazy.
My West hype has no real value other than I’ve decided to be crazy about him. It is unsupportable but really just me having fun.
But you never know… ;)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
not "your" hype
“the” hype.
well
Yoshi performed better than Lowe for about a month; it is the upside that tantalizes and Roogies should be on the AAA taxi squad as a general principle (with Eppley and Yan). The most value you will get out of Lowe is likely with this club. In addition, Texas loves his type (Tobin Types) so will likely keep him for that reason alone….
id rather have both
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 12, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Alberto Gonzo
is the util inf. unless luis Martinez beats him out which he will not. I think they sign Mike Gonzo before the first spring training game though
x
@Kevin_Goldstein
Rumors out of the DR today that the Cubs are making a very very big play for Jorge Soler.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
>MLB 2k11
>2014 World Series
>Game 1
>Stephen Strasburg vs Yu Darvish
>THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
>bryce harper and rendon each with 5 dongs in the cripplingly agonizing 4 game sweep
>does not need to happen
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
You played all four games in 1 minute?
@AdamLikesBeer If you are in Minneapolis I can tell you where to get a good brew.
this is a sim franchise
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
you saying the Rangers lost 5 WS in a row?
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