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Monday Morning Rangers Update

Never forget

The Seattle Mariners are already in Arizona getting their terrible season underway. Baseball is back!

Here's a quote from the article that, to me, explains the difference between the Mariners and Oakland A's:

Seattle started spring training a week ahead of other teams because it will open its season early, on March 28 in Japan against Oakland. The Athletics chose not to begin early.

"An entire extra week of having to be the Oakland A's? I'd rather not." - Anyone involved with the A's. Both of those teams are going to be bad this season, but at least the Mariners still care about it.

Anthony Andro writes on how the Rangers appear finished signing players this offseason and are currently even a little over their projected budget.

Jeff Wilson weighs in on what is likely the conclusion of the offseason for the Rangers. Wilson has quotes from Jon Daniels on if the team would still consider signing a Roy Oswalt or Mike Gonzalez. Daniels also talks about potential extension discussions now that getting arbitration eligible players signed is no longer the primary focus.

Behind the DMN paywall, Gerry Fraley worrywarts about if the Rangers have any financial flexibility.

T.R. Sullivan has a Spring Training primer up now that we're within ten days before pitchers and catchers report. Sullivan has some questions that need answering in Surprise, a roster rundown, and a write-up on new players, prospects, and players not returning in 2012.

Fraley has a blog post up where he writes that the Rangers expect Josh Hamilton to arrive at Spring Training on time. Fraley also notes that Hamilton's extension talks are still currently tabled.

Richard Durrett continues his positional outlook series with a write-up on the Rangers' long/middle relief corps.

Finally, in case you missed it, here is MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo with his sort-of-bizarre Rangers' Top 20 Prospects list. ROBBIE ROSS HELIUM!

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wow @ vinnie pestano's stats vs RHP (well, mainly k/9)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST reply actions  

Oh, noes....they're out of money again!!!

Let the gnashing of teeth begin!!!

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 13, 2012 8:08 AM CST reply actions  

xx
Fraley has a blog post up where he writes that the Rangers expect Josh Hamilton to arrive at Spring Training on time. Fraley also notes that Hamilton’s extension talks are still currently tabled.

the real question is, is he in the best shape of his life?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 AM CST reply actions  

lol Fraley

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by FungoFrog on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 AM CST reply actions  

haha so appropriate

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

by shock00 on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm no good at rosterbation.

With the presumptive end of the off season for the Rangers, does this mean they won’t be pursuing a lefty and just rolling with Kirkman/Beimel? Or a UIF? Was that all just speculation on our part?

by jam0152 on Feb 13, 2012 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

i believe there were reports initially that they were pursuing a lefty

haven’t heard anything about it in awhile.

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

by shock00 on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

sounds that way

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

by shock00 on Feb 13, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

That sucks.

Dude’s good. Better than Kirkman, at least.

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

who knows what will happen

just because they didn’t sign anyone doesn’t mean they won’t.

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

by shock00 on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm hoping it just means that they are working out a good trade with Koji and then they'll sign Gonzalez.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Rosterbation

is a good term for it.

"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington

by 3Bagger on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

The question I have

is whether the A’s and Mariners are glad to have the Astros joining their division? Or are the Astros glad to be going to a division with the A’s and Mariners?

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

From what I can tell,

the answer is that both are pissed about playing marginally more games out of their time zone.

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by Prashanth Francis on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I live in Houston and a lot of people are pretty pissed off about it.

My aunt was a diehard Astros fan and is adamant that she will no longer follow them. She hates the AL. I am also upset, because I enjoyed following the Astros and watching NL ball in the 14 years I’ve lived here. But I can’t root against my childhood team, so it has forced me back into the loving embrace of the Rangers. FSSW will carry the full slate of Rangers games here when the Astros move to their new RSN in 2013, so that will make it much easier to follow the team. I couldn’t get any Ranger games down here on Extra Innings or MLB.tv because they are considered an in-market team, and those packages weren’t available when I was living in VA/NC ’89-98.

by cracker1743 on Feb 13, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in Houston, too.

UVerse allows you to watch a great majority of the games.

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by Prashanth Francis on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I have U-verse, too. Which channel(s)?

FSSW carries some Rangers games, but not a great majority because they often conflict with the Astros’ schedule. Am I missing some magical channel? I am not being sarcastic here, I am really hoping I’ve missed something.

by cracker1743 on Feb 14, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That is the worst Rangers prospect rankings that I've seen

Ross at #5, Mendez at #6, NeRa at #8, Garcia at #9 and Beltre at #20.

lol

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

We can't really rank these guys because nobody really knows how they're going to turn out.

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

wait, what?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I was making fun of someone on here that said something like that

He thinks that we shouldn’t rank prospects because no one really knows

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

...

How they’ll turn out

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ahhhhhh

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I do think there is some merit to that.

Obviously, there are ones that have more talent and potential. But when you rank 100 players, what really is the difference between No. 78 and No. 63?

I’d rather the list be more inclusive.

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

more inclusive in waht way?

larger?

you should read his top 11’s, they have write ups that are pretty solid. his list is obv JUST a ranking of players (and he expands a bit on it)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I mean, more exclusive, sorry. I suck.

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

ahhh

like smaller?

see i really just about ignore rankings (top 100 or 101 or whatever) specifically and look more in general. its one of the reasons i like BPs spreadsheet for it that basically puts everyone’s rankigns (team and top 100) in it and gives it to you

i prefer the team top 11s for this reason. also, if you like this they review them on the BP podcast…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I usually tend to value those more.

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

LSB can't spell/type today

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

naw

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Please use correct punctuation and capitalization.

This is your only warning.

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Grammarpolice.jpg

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

What is this?

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Graham used to be a writer for LL.

Quite good, now he’s moved on to blog about an EPL team that I happen to root for.

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by Prashanth Francis on Feb 13, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I was joking

It’s mostly me

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The top 100/101 rankings probably have more value

when you just look at where each prospect compares to those in his position.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes,

but you are still comparing a bunch of guys at different levels of competition. I know you can take into account age, projection, past performance etc., but it’s still very subjective…

"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course its still subjective

but there’s no perfect way of doing this.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

this comment cray

I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011

by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Garcia is interesting at #9. I profoundly, like most LSBers disagree.

Yet I see him quite high on a lot of lists. What am I missing? Tools that haven’t developed?

by Akalhar on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

but his hit tool is

questionable to say the least, correct

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

As is his glove (exceedingly error prone)

He commits an error every third game or so. Even Kinsler in the Minors wasn’t as atrocious.

by Akalhar on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

my understanding is that he had a good glove

error prone != thing to use when it comes to glove ranking imho

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the ceiling on the glove is good.

Errors aren’t a good measure of ceiling, but in terms of right now? That glove is very, very raw. From what I understand, he makes idiot errors consistently. Correct me if I am wrong.

by Akalhar on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

That one was alright

I don’t have as much of a problem with it.

I would put Garcia in the 15-20 range, but having him at #9 isn’t as bad as, say, Ross at #5

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ross is the worst by far

but there is a lot very odd with that list.

by Akalhar on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Ross and NeRa should atleast be flopped

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Perez should be higher.

Ranking an even less experienced/lower ceiling Matthews above him is strange. Buckel I can kind of see just because he has put up good stats.

by casew on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Ross has a BOTR starter ceiling

That doesn’t excite me

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The Mariners will be at least 10 games better than the A's

As

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Pretend the "as" in the body isn't there

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Heh

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

hope they enjoy 76 wins...

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Distant 3rd

Sounds familiar

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

From what I can tell,

the Mariners’ bloggers/internet fans are at a point where they would look forward to high 70’s wins and more runs scored.

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by Prashanth Francis on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

poor M's

they seem to be mired in Rangers 2007 type years. they even made an attempt at a Volquez Hamilton type deal except Pineda > Volquez and Montero < Hamilton (most likely )

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Feb 13, 2012 10:59 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

We'll see about the trade

Of course, Hamilton is most likely a lot better than Montero since he plays defense but that trade can be a huge win.

by ab03 on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

sure

I’m just saying it was a huge risk comparable to JD betting his career on Josh over Edinson. that deal easily could have gone the other way, in which case Tim Purupa would be GM right now

And in the M’s case Pineda is a lot scarier to move

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

The main difference seems to be

that it seemed crazy at the time for the Rangers to be trading away SP, while the M’s are much more able to deal with the loss of a quality SP.

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by Prashanth Francis on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Could be, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I know that pitchers are prone to injury, but the level that Montero is going to have to hit at to be a star without any defensive contribution is quite high.

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by Prashanth Francis on Feb 13, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

As excited as I am for the season to start

There is no way I’m waking up in the middle of the night to watch A’s/Mariners.

by ok.fester on Feb 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Watch them play the Rangers, or each other?

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's what I do to watch the Rangers play during the season.

The night games usually starts at 8 or 9 a.m. Over here but the day games start at 2 or 3 a.m.

Living in a different time zone with your favorite team sucks.

by RangersfaninROK on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

They'll probably start the year in extended ST and end up in Spokane when their season starts.

It would be cool to see either of them starting the year off in Hickory though.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Guzman may end up in Spokane

I’d be a little surprised if Mazara did, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope Mazara can make it there

but yeah, he is more of a long shot to get to Spokane than Guzman. Hopefully he impresses while in Surprise.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

parks thinks complex league for maraza IIRC

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

yuup

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Mazara probably won't make it out of the complex league.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

/DebbieDowner

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

you shut your whore mouth

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of the Mariners....

I was in Target on Saturday in Frisco looking for a Rangers shirt of some kind for my brother. For some reason, they had a rack with a really nice Mariners jersey in several sizes. That was the only non-Rangers one they had. WTF???

"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone

by SoWasRed on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

That's strange

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I was in a Houston Target yesterday, and had a similar moment.

It was all Astros/Aggies/Longhorns gear, and two Cleveland Browns jerseys. Talk about random. And the only Astros shirts they had were Carlos Lee’s. It’s a shame they have sunk so low that the only shirts they can market are for El Caballo Gordo. Good Lord, I’d rather have a Jordan Schaefer jersey.

by cracker1743 on Feb 13, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

no Rice gear?

sad

Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars

by JBImaknee on Feb 13, 2012 2:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Browns were probably Colt McCoy jerseys right?

I can see that given Houston is a huge UT alumni base

by bigsteve on Feb 13, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't McCoy.

I thought I remembered it was #17 Johnson, but just looked at the roster and that ain’t right.

by cracker1743 on Feb 14, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of the Targets here in DFW used to carry big framed prints of ballparks.

Unfortunately, the only ones I ever saw were hundreds of Tropicana field, and one Fenway.

"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan

by Flynnyrd on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

IANF.........

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

what?

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

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