Thursday Morning Rangers Update
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 8:38 AM CST
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Adam is in Vegas. LSB is mine, ALL MINE!
T.R. Sullivan writes about Josh Hamilton's appearance on Glenn Beck's Internet show where he spoke about being in counseling since his relapse.
Anthony Andro also writes about Hamiton.
Evan Grant does as well.
Mac Engel of the Inflaming Engels has a piece on Hamilton, also. Engel writes not of Glenn Beck appearances or counseling, however, but of whether or not Hamilton is getting a pass from the media because of his race.
Over at ESPN Dallas, Bryan Dolgin updates us on the Ballpark renovations which are nearing completion. For the curious, Drew Davison has videos of the new visiting bullpen and the new Vandergriff Plaza.
Richard Durrett's penultimate edition to his Positional Outlook series focuses on the Rangers' manager. That is Ron Washington.
Finally, Mike Napoli was on the Ben & Skin show. The DMN has a transcript. Mike Napoli on facing C.J. Wilson:
I'm going to do what I try to do to any other pitcher. I might give C.J. a head nod, but I'm still going to try and take him deep.
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I've always felt it was important to marry a girl smarter than me
Glad to see Mac felt the same way….
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
That first time Napoli goes yard on CJ
It will be magical
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I can't imagine it'd be any greater
than the first pitch Kinsler bomb I keep imagining.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Feb 16, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
That would be awesome!
Then Kins yells, “Get the F#@k off our field!” as he rounds the bases.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Feb 16, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
fucking i want kinsler to take that sumbitch deep
pimp the fuck out of it, and then charge the mound and fucking headlock CJ
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 16, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You mad?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
no that would make me happy
never really liked cj, never had anything against him either.
i really don’t get all emotional over individual players, just teams.
and i dont even like baseball that much
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
skip around the bases
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
I think every Rays fan hates him becuase of that
I think it was his finest moment
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
same here.....everyone hates him for being a douche
but he’s our douche.
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by shock00 on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not a douche in places that aren't a baseball field
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
should have donkey punched josh and taken him home
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 16, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Might look a little something like this.....with CJ's face added, of course.....
Thanks, as always, to DFWTrojanTuba for the greatest gif ever…..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 16, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 13 recs
Such a great moment from last season
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Ahh, the ultimate "up yours"
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am so ready for baseball season.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Does anyone know what hotel the rangers stay at when in surprise.
my dad said he read its the windmill suites… anyone know for sure?
I would think they stay
at the Holiday or Residence Inn right there at the complex but not sure. Windmill isn’t the nicest place either.
by ruben_sierra#21 on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
just checked.
the team website lists the windmill as the team’s hotel this year
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/spring_training/ballpark.jsp?c_id=tex
It was the Holliday Inn last year
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
thats what i thought you said
this year its listing windmill…. im not sure if they are just advertising partners or actually switched their hotels.
I'm trying to figure out of Mac Engel really believes what he just wrote or
if he’s just trying to throw something at the wall to see if it creates some controversy.
The whole issue was discussed when the story broke…believe what you will but it is people’s nature to forgive especially if the guilty party steps up and admits wrong-doing. I think color has less to do with this whole story than many think.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 16, 2012 9:01 AM CST reply actions
Vegas sounds like a great place for marriage smashing
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I saw the caption on the picture
and thought “Adam and his Smashing Puns have done it again”, then I read it was done by goET and was mildly disappointed.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
I only now realize how it's a pun...
and I’m ashamed of myself.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Hardball Talk is reporting Burnett vetoed trade to Angels
New York Daily News reports that the Yankees had a deal in place to send him to the Angels for Bobby Abreu … but Burnett used his no-trade clause to block the move.
I know it had been reported that it was rumored he would block the trade. This is the first I’ve heard that he actually did exercise is right to block the deal. Thank god for that. That would have been a huge win for the Angels.
I don't get that trade from the Yankees point of view
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
they don't want Burnett period end of story.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
But....., Bobby Abreu?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'd rather have a high price bench bat then a sucky ass overpaid pitcher
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Burnett would improve the Angels
He’d likely be at least average. The Angels got well below average production from their 5th spot last year.
Burnett is awful
I would have loved for him to be in the Angels rotation
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Over Jerome Williams?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Remember he pitches in New York
Extreme pitchers park. He’s been around a 1.5 WAR pitcher the last two years.
2010 FIP/xFIP: 4.83/4.49
2011 FIP/xFIP: 4.77/3.86
I think there’s a good chance he’d be at least a 1.5 WAR pitcher in LA. And that would be a big improvement over what they put out there last year.
Take out the 9 Mil for Abreu
That’s 12M/year. If the Yanks pitch in more cash, which they probably would, it is even less.
It isn’t market value for the wins but it still makes the Angels better when they clearly are in win now mode. I can see why they’d do that.
I think the biggest win in all of this is it opens up a spot for Trout right away
Burnett is not going to be a big enough upgrade over their other 5th starter candidates to justify the cost but by dumping Abreu it opens up the DH spot for Wells/Hunter and opens up a OF spot for Trout.
Basically the Angels are ok taking on Burnetts salary to be able to play Trout in 2012
Trading nothing to get a guy like Burnett isn't a bad move.
It adds depth to their rotation, which is thin, and of course it gets rid of a useless guy like Abreu. I don’t see how that is anything but a win for the Angels.
Why would any Rangers fan think this is good news for the Rangers? That is crazy talk.
This is a case of two teams each looking to dump a player to open up spots for others
The Yankees want to dump Burnett because they have too many starters as is.
The Angels want to dump Abreu because he is blocking Trout essentially.
As a Ranger fan I wouldn’t care that they got Burnett because hes not a very good pitcher and we would get to face him quite a few times. Is he better than Jerome Williams or whoever else they may run out there in the 5th starter spot? Possibly. He could also be worse.
But as a Ranger fan what makes me glad he vetoed this trade is that it keeps Abreu as a Angel and keeps Trout in the minors for the time being. You seem to be acting like Burnett over their current 5th starter is some sort of huge upgrade. Its not
It is an important upgrade for the Angels.
It adds depth and adds a pitcher who can still be very good. And like you said, it opens up the door for Trout.
In my mind a trade like this is probably worth 1 or 2 wins for the Angels. The margin is already razor thin int he West. 1 or 2 wins is probably going to be the difference between making the playoffs and missing the playoffs.
Yes
And to open that door the Angels will be on the hook for an additional 24 million over the next 2 years along with a 5th starter who is mediocre at best.
And while the Angels have shown you can never count them out when it comes to signing/resigning players I have to believe that adding Burnetts salary to their 2013 books will likely cause them to have to decline one of Haren or Santanas options.
They are better with Burnett/Trout than Abreu/5th starter
But they are also worse off with Burnetts contract as opposed to Abreus
Then I think that is reason to be unhappy as a Rangers fan
Like I said, the margin is razor thin. Anything to improve them in 2011 is something I don’t want to see.
I also think your analysis of the financial situation isn’t likely to be correct. The Angels would have found a way to keep Haren/Santana regardless.
The Angels found a way to take on
the Wells Contract and still sign their best starting pitcher, our best pitcher and then sign Albert Pujols.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 16, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Before now.....yeah no doubt
But that was when they expected to have both Abreu and Hunter off the books which opens up about 27 million. Haren and Santana take up 24 of that along with their options (their buyouts were already figured in) and then Pujols and Weavers salaries rise an additional 4 mil each for next season while CJ increases 1 mil.
Now if they got Burnett they would only be opening up 18 mil of cap space which I think would mean they could only exercise one of those options.
Of course the Angels have proven us wrong in their payroll estimations in the past so its possible they could keep both but I doubt it at this time
Moreno will do whatever it takes
He is the latin Steinbrenner.
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Jerome Williams is their 5th starter as of right now, correct?
I haven’t paid nearly enough attention to non-Ranger teams the offseason
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
How good is Garrett Richards?
Was he a pretty solid prospect, or was that my imagination?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not as good as Tyler Chatwood, who was traded
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
Those are terrible numbers for a guy who is now 35 years old
The only decent number in that group is the xFIP and that is far from being the best indicator of how he pitched last season given the huge gap between that and his FIP.
I wouldn’t expect him to be more than a 1.5 WAR pitcher in LAAAAA and he’s got huge blow up potential. And he’d be locked into that rotation spot no matter what with that contract, so we’d get to see him suck every 5 days all season.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
can we just stick to calling it
LA LA land already?
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
They're still the California Angels to me.
And fuck them.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
That's a typo
Meant to say hitters park with the short porch in right field. I don’t think their is enough data to truly support an argument either way yet. IIRC they typically use 3 years of data to determine those park factors.
what are the top 3
worst parks for pitchers in the AL and NL (each)….too lazy to look it up.
And of those, which parks have a rather specific characteristic, like our park, a jet stream to right field, but otherwise neutral?
Texas, Fenway, Camden Yards, Cellular in the AL?
Coors Field, Wrigley, Great American in NL?
Norm is painfully naive about how much pot is smoked by college students / athletes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Arizona is a bad park for NL pitchers as well.
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"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 16, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Wrigley is not a hitters park
80% of the time, the wind is blowing in and its a great park for pitching.
its those 5% of the time when the wind is blowing out that you just have to look out.
the Phillies park (whatever its name is, I think Citizens bank or something) is a good hitters park.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
wrigley has consistently
been one of the better hitters parks in the league. last year was an exception, not the rule
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
i disagree on that
altho I haven’t looked at the numbers
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
I hate Abreu so much
He seems to be behind all of the Angels extremely lucky logic-defying victories.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yankees.....shedding salary....
What?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
more like Yanks eating salary
no way in hell anyone taking that full contract
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hahaha....you are correct
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Thiiiiiis
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE ANGELS
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's been reported that they are at the top of their budget
Plus Burnett has 2 years left. This would get him off their roster for next year too.
What does their roto look like?
CC
Pineda
Nova…..
Do they still have Colon and Garcia?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
they're roto is real solid
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I forgot about Kuroda
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
CC, Hughes, Pineda, Nova
with that offense will be a pain in the ass. Last year, they seemed real vulnerable. This year is prolly their last with Jeets and Arod playing in the field (i.e. window closing). I fear them.
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forgot Kuroda
Yeah, I’m real concerned.
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well, you may run like Mays,
but you hit like shit.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
You blew that one right by me.
I’m getting old and reaction time is shit.
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It's been discussed
That the Yankees want to get below the Luxury tax to avoid penalties as repeat offenders once the new Luxury tax numbers kick in with the next collective bargaining deal
by RyanBlueThunder on Feb 16, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
yankees made a bad move in signing burnett,
now in order to get a lh dh type bat they needed to move his contract. In sending him to LAAA the yanks would have got their need filled and burnetts terrible contract off their hands.
And Im not sure why anyone would think its a win for LAAA. Burnett has been a terrible pitcher since coming to ny
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
good.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn't that the morning thread pic from a couple of weeks ago?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Until there's baseball again, there's like 10 pictures from the offseason...
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
It should be the face crotch grabbing shirt photo
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 9:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jorge Soler
If you scouts think this kid has the tools to be Nelson Cruz light, what are the max contract #s that you would take to the owners? He likely needs 3 years of seasoning but would be under team control once the contract ends.
I think I would go 5/20 (a ML deal if that is the dealbreaker).
he's reportedly
at 6.3/225 right now (after a big growth spurt in the last 2 years), AA-plus arm, AA speed (at least average in the future but potentially AA), plus power (60-70), top 10 (some say top 5) pick if eligible.
I bet he gets 5/25 if not the 5/28 that we’ve heard being bandied about
You mentioned this the other day
but are you sure that he would be fine being under team control after the deal was over? Reading the articles, I didn’t get the feeling that was the case, and the reason why the Cubs were insisting on a 6 year deal.
I don't think those
reports were very reliable. There is no way a club gives up the service time/arb eligibility process for a 19yo Cuban. Cespedes (and other players like him, say a japanese player perhaps) is a unique case.
I agree
but then I don’t really understand why the Cubs would need to go 6 years on him if they still get arb time with him. Would be nice to get cost control but that doesn’t seem like a huge problem when you are dealing with a 19 year old who you just hope makes it.
In any case, assuming club control, I’d be fine with 4/20 if he only wants a 4 year deal.
It think it would make more sense
for a 19yo prospect to angle for a 5 year deal. Would you go 5/25?
Actually
the source I was using before was incorrect. His correct age as of 4/1 is 20.1 and people seem to think he starts (or at least finishes) the year in LowA…
Dude
Gary Carter died. 57 years old.
Tell you what, each passing year the age 57 seems more approachable, imaginable.
Go Strangers.
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