ESPN Predicts Rangers as Baseball's Best Over Next Five Years
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 11:14 AM CST
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Jim Bowden, Keith Law and Buster Olney have been jointly running a feature attempting to measure the potential for each team in baseball over the next half decade. Using a formula for ranking each team in five different categories (Major league roster quality, minor league system quality, finances, management and mobility [the age and cost of players on roster]) the troika of writers have determined that the Rangers are "baseball's model franchise these days."
The article is behind the ESPN Insider wall, but I'll give you a little taste. Bowden's "Next Step" for the Rangers begins with:
Perhaps the biggest issue facing the Rangers will be to figure out on which fingers their World Series rings will go.
The top five teams listed are Texas, New York Yankees, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, and Boston. As for the rest of the AL West, the Angels are ranked 7th, the Mariners are ranked 18th, the A's are ranked 23rd, and the future AL West Astros are ranked 29th.
Richard Durrett has a pretty lengthy piece on how the Rangers were able to transition from small market disaster to, as Olney writes, "a superpower."
It's a pretty good time to like Texas Rangers baseball.
At noon Law will be answering questions at ESPN here. You can go ask him questions about how awesome the Rangers are or about Leonys Martin's hit tool if you like.
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chin up buddy
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
On the scale they came up with...
Rangers came in at 91.1, Yankees at 83.4 and Rays at 74.1.
Go Rangers! Go Cowboys! Go FSU!
Rays...
They came in with that high of a score and their composite score on finances was 2 out of 30.
Go Rangers! Go Cowboys! Go FSU!
So the Rangers and Angels have the ratcheting up rivalry thing going on...
but how long will it be until the Rangers and Rays are considered rivals? Rays fans have to already kind of hate the Rangers in the way we hated the Yankees back in the 90s, right?
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I remember ESPN calling the Yankees our rivals mid-season in 99.
All it might take then is it looking like a rematch this postseason.
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by philkid3 on Feb 16, 2012 11:36 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Speaking as someone that lives in Tampa...
I can tell you that Rays fans really do not like the Rangers.
Go Rangers! Go Cowboys! Go FSU!
Rivals
implies the teams don’t like each other (or the fans don’t like each other).
Texas and LA Angels are rivals. we don’t like them, they don’t like us.
Now we hate the Yankees, but we’re still beneath their notice.
similarly the Rays (and their fan) hate us, but we don’t really pay any attention to that.
(btw, the Twins really don’t like the Yankees, as do the Royals, Red Sox, Orioles, Blue Jays, A’s, M’s, Angels, etc. in other words, everyone hates the Yankees. The only team the Yankees recognize as someone to hate is the Red Sox.)
Nobody here obsesses over hating the Rays. we just hope we get them in the first round of the playoffs so we can stomp them and move on.
Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011
I had sports hate for Garza
But other than that, and since he’s gone, I’d agree
They’re a good team, that we’re lucky doesn’t have more payroll room to be better. And it’s been nice to get past them to the ALCS two years in a row … hard not to like, really.
Rays remind me of the Twins
in the early ’00s
by RangerMad on Feb 16, 2012 11:48 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I've been wondering about that.
Which version do you think makes them more mad?
2010: Beat you at your own game
or
2011: This time, there’s a moneypenis
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
That would imply the Rays have fans.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 17, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
BTW... that score is insane.
The Rangers are basically top five at worst in every category. Top 2 in several.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I haven't looked yet,
but I’m surprised that Law is that high on the org. Anecdotally, It seems like he’s often a bit more ‘pessimistic’ about the Rangers farm system.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
He said in a podcast that he used his minor league system rankings for that category of the rankings...
so that’s taken into account there. I guess Bowden and Olney averaged the Rangers up a little in that regard.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Guess so.
Now that I’ve looked at it…it’s at the same time well done and so very sad that the only perfect 30 is the Yankees Finances. Le sigh.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
This scale
Pessimistic or not about the specific players, this seems to be weighing the players as well as the minor league operation, and the Rangers surely grade out well there. They spend on scouts, complexes, players and they have a range of high-upside guys to solid-average/better bet guys throughout the levels.
I've been saying all this for a year
Also, who the heck could possibly be worse than the Astros??
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 11:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Way more likely they win in the 90s than the 70s!
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by philkid3 on Feb 16, 2012 11:37 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I miss Death Snark.
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
The Orioles have some
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Orioles have some young players with really good upside
The Astors have no talent on their team whatsoever.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Orioles were ranked 30th by all three people on the panel...
in management. The folks that run the Orioles is the problem there.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
There's also a terrifying velocity drop on pitchers pretty much throughout the system
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I wonder if they find a way to ruin Dylan Bundy
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Also...
five years from now, Adam should make this a “This Day in LSB History” so we can talk about how fun it was when ESPN predicted the Rangers’ five-peat.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If that's the case
Then it will be more of a question of which hands each ring will go on
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Two words.
Toe
Rings
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
The farm, the front office, the increasing finances, and the talent still being there on the big team. . .
. . . all work together to make the sting from the series way less.
It will always hurt, but it hurts less when you can believe relatively comfortably the team will win one sooner rather than later.
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by philkid3 on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It will stop hurting when they get #1
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by Josh Lile on Feb 16, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Right there with ya, brother.....
Amen to that….
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 16, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
2006 NBA Season merely makes me frustrated now
as opposed to HoboPunchingMad
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Totally disagree.
But then I can’t possibly no.
It will hurt less when it was “one strike from having a title” to “one strike from having two,” though. I just doubt it will go away.
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Okay, I am replying to this post just so I can find it five years from now
It’ll be like a LSB time capsule
If this doesn't get you ready for baseball
nothing will.
I do hate to even read the mention of Elvis in a Yankees uniform….
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by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 16, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions
I agree.
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by philkid3 on Feb 16, 2012 11:35 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
My question about St. Louis: where are the bats gonna come from?
I don’t know much about their farm system, and the Machine is gone, who’s gonna step up?
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Feb 16, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions
They still have Holliday and Berkman
And added Beltran who can still hit. Their farm system is high quality as well.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Berkman is a fossil and Holliday is past his peak at best.
That doesn’t instill hope if I’m a Cards fan.
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Farm systems, smart FOs, and large loyal fanbases count for, um, a bit.
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Even though I expect him to take a step back,
Allen Craig is another good hitter for them.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely
I don’t think he’s a .400 wOBA guy over a full season, but he’s definitely a good hitter
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They were 4th in team wRC+ last year.
Again, I see them stepping back a bit, but Beltran and more Craig should help cover up some of the loss of Pujols.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Where do you see Beltran's wOBA next year?
No way he’s at .390 again?
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Something around his career average,
which would be pretty good.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
would be .372
They’d definitely be happy with that in STL
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Yeah, I'd say so.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
THEY'RE HAPPY ENOUGH ALREADY IN STL!
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ogando agrees
Too soon?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
Fuck you
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's all I can think about when the town is mentioned
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That town*
I think of Affleck when “The Town” is mentioned
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ZiPS has Craig at .276/.329/.454
think STL would be happy with that?
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Probably not 'happy'
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
They replace Pujols in part with Wainwright.
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Has anyone looked at the Bill James Baseball IQ iphone app?
It’s got some great graphical data for hitter and pitcher tendencies.
I got it the other day.
It’s helped me win a lot of office arguments.
by TheGritMaster on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've never heard of it
Sounds interesting.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, yes
until there is one.
Then, one more, repeat annually.
by txranfanted on Feb 16, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
one ring to rule them all
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
One ring to find them.
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by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And in the darkness, bind them
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Feb 16, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In the land of Mordor,
where the shadows lie.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
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by Aqua on Feb 16, 2012 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What?
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Neeeeeerds!!!
>says the guy whose favorite movie is probably Return of the King
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like Two Towers the best out of the series
both film and book(s)
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I can see the argument
and agree with the movie, but I still prefer the third book.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I was one of the people that watched the flicks before the books
It threw me off when the Shelob and Cirith Ungol arc happened in Two Towers in the books
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And the Elves didnt come to Helms Deep
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's a very large departure
But I didn’t hate it. And Liv Tyler’s role was certainly expanded from the books.
Which leads me to a very different thought. So Aragorn impregnates her and the kid would be half elf. Elrond was half elf too but could live forever like elves. So Aragorn’s kid would be King when Aragorn died but he could be King forever? That could really suck if he turned out to be a dick.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The elves to Minis Tirith is one of the departures that irks me a little.
“Last Alliance of Men and Elves” kind of gets ruined there. . .
The only departure I totally hated, though, was the green Deus Ex Machina army.
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yeah having the dead men of dunharrow do something mroe than just terrify orcs was balls
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They went to Helms Deep not Minis Tirith
But yeah, the green, indistructable army was a pretty lazy way to tie things up.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2012 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking ahead to the green fog when I wrote the subject line.
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Yep!
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
That was something that was done very well by Peter Jackson in the movies.
On the other hand, I don’t think they captured the foreboding terror of the Mines of Moria even half as well as the books.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
How did you feel about the giant Balrog?
I like it more than the “man sized shadow” it was in the book
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It was different
And I was ok with that. I thought they changed Gandalf’s fate the first time I saw the movie.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I half-listened to the audio tapes before I read the books.
Moria grabbed my attention from whatever I was doing and scared me quite a bit.
The book was no different. Reading the Moria sequence for the first time was a level of anxiety written pages rarely pull out of me.
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Indeed.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think they improve each time
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i tear up every time they all kneel to the hobbits
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Feb 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
"I can't carry the Ring...BUT I CAN CARRY YOU!"
/Favorite line
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oof.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Of the three
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Easily my least favorite of the movies.
Which means I still love it.
But my favorite of the books.
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yep
I was really pissed at what they did to Faramir’s character.
and I hate the whole “I’m not a ‘man’ I’m a woman” in return of the king. that was so stupid.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I am no man is almost verbatim from the book
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Gandalf killed the thing in the book
makes quite a bit of difference
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
the witch king of angmar?
gandalf got bitchslapped by the witch king. The dude broke his staff
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And they did an extended scene of it...
which was awesome and I was shocked wasn’t in the theatrical cut.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
There is no reason I can see that scene isn't in the movie.
Makes no sense. It’s better pacing, it’s important to establishing how powerful it’s become, removing it leaves a weird transitional gap, and it explains why Gandalf suddenly doesn’t have a staff.
Plus, it’s cool.
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It was one of the things I was most looking forward to seeing in Return of the King...
and then it was just weirdly not there. Thank goodness for the extended editions.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
do I have to reread the books
it’s been a long time
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Gandalf did stop the witch king from entering Minas Tirith
but the witch king smacked him down and would have finished it there but the Rohirrim arrived
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I've been looking for a good book to read
it looks like I need to read these again. I always felt like that seemed too hollywood.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Eowyn is awesome.
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by philkid3 on Feb 16, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
When assemble my after life harem, it will be made up of her, Samus Aran, and Audrey Hepburn.
And maybe Kat.
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She can be the harem manager.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Lulz
Too hollywood
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
The film handles that part pretty much the same as the book.
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No he didn't.
You’re remembering incorrectly.
The Witch King kicked Gandalf’s ass.
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In the film.
I don’t remember them actually doing battle in the books — there’s a face-off in Return of the King, but I don’t recall that there’s any ass-kicking involved?
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It happens before the gates of Minas Tirith
Gandalf says that the Witch King cannot pass, the Witch King says that Gandalf cannot stop him and whips out his fiery sword and breaks Gandalf’s wizard’s staff.
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The breaking of the staff:
I’m 99 percent sure it doesn’t happen in the book.
From the LotR Wiki:
(In the Films, The WitchKing utters “This is my hour….” shattering Gandalf’s staff, throwing him down & rendering the Wizard helpless. However he does not finish the attack & rides off to counter the newly arriving forces. This was ill-recieved by many Tolkien fans as it leads to several conflicts with certain Lore surrounding the stories. The largest of these being that the Wizards in Middle Earth channeled their power through their staffs. Also serving as a “Badge of Office” within the order, Only The White Wizard would have possesed the ability to shatter or “Revoke” a wizards status & power.)
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You're right
in the book it has Gandalf being a bro and Shadowfax not fearing the Lord of the Nazgul. Then the Witch-King talks and ligghts his sword then he has to go confront the riders of theoden
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Fuckin love Shadowfax
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Yeah.
I wasn’t thrilled with the film version. The idea that the Witch-King could so easily trash Gandalf just didn’t make a ton of sense.
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The Nazgul in general were hard to transfer to film faithfully.
Displaying ambient fear convincingly is hard.
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Yep, Faramir's film representation is probably No. 2 on the list of changes I most disliked.
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LotR Wiki.
I’d directly cite the book, but I don’t have it with me here.
During the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, she fought in Théoden’s escort; when he and his company were attacked by the Witch-king of Angmar, lord of the Nazgûl, she and Merry were the only riders who did not flee.
As Théoden lay mortally wounded, she challenged the Witch-King, who boasted that “no living man may hinder me.” In answer, she removed her helmet, exposing her long blond hair, and declared, “No living man am I! You look upon a woman! Éowyn I am, Éomund’s daughter. Begone if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him!”
In rage, the Witch-King attacked her, but she cleaved the head off his Fell Beast. The Witch-King shattered her shield with a blow from his mace, breaking her arm, but stumbled when Merry stabbed his leg from behind with a Barrow-blade. Éowyn stabbed her sword through the Witch-King’s head, killing him, and thus fulfilling Glorfindel’s prophecy a thousand years earlier at the Battle of Fornost that “not by the hand of man” would the Witch-King fall.
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did Merry and Pippin get elven daggers from Galadriel in thee books?
or was that just in the film to replace the blades from the barrow downs?
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I don't think so.
I KNOW that the Barrow sword is what Merry used on the Witch King.
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That's a good question!
The movie did not include the barrow down blades, of which the original weapons makers would have been happy that their sword brought down the Witch King of Angmar. And my impression from reading the book was that Merry was not a man, and therefore was at least as responsible for the death of Angmar as was Eowyn. I believe the book talks about the stabbing at the back of the knee separating spirit from sinew or something like that.
Anyone read the Silmarrilion?
I tried 20 years ago and couldn’t get through it. It’s like reading the book of generations in the bible but waaay longer.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's LotR history
without any of the humor or development of LotR. Maybe it would’ve been better if Tolkien had lived to finish it.
What makes it awesome is that it further fleshes out what's an awesome, and detailed fictional world.
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No.
The only person I’ve talked to about it who had used a companion quite liberally.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
But in pieces. I didn’t sit down and read it cover to cover over the course of a month or whatever.
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ha
touche
although, strangely, i feel like I could watch some thundercats now
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Witch King is strangely Skeletorian in that clip...
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
On the forum that occupied most of my adult Internet time, my screen name was Witch King of Angmar.
I started at the Cinema Blend forums back before it was called Cinema Blend, and ended up one of the top five or six posters all-time and a Super Mod before it closed.
:(
Anyway, to this day, when someone on the Internet says Witch King, I think they’re addressing me.
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NERDALERT !
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
After reading this subthread,
I’m certain I will never get laid again.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
by Flynnyrd on Feb 16, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
5 years from now
people are going to look at this post and laugh when they realize half of the posts are aboud Lord of the Rings. haha At that point I really hope we are known as Lord of the Rings.
Yep thats exactly what I said when I read the title..sigh.
RIP Whitney, gone but never ever forgotten.
yup
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*evil laugh*
You can go ask him questions about… Leonys Martin’s hit tool if you like.
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This if from the Law chat. I say yes to this deal if I am TX
Nate (Iowa) [via mobile]
M. Perez and Profar for McCutchen: who says no?
K Law (1:29 PM)
I would guess Texas would say no on that one. But if I’m Pittsburgh, I’m asking for a home-run package along those lines.
by motorcyclegreggo on Feb 16, 2012 12:37 PM CST reply actions
wow
I love McCutchen. but NO. Hell No.
I don’t move Perez and Profar for anyone. Batista isn’t young enough, both Pujols and Fielder are too expensive, maybe King Felix. yeah.
I’d do a King Felix for Martin Perez and Profar deal.
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yeah, rather Kershaw than Felix
I wouldn’t want to be playing against Perez and Profar down the road that many times a year
Seems like Harrison and Profar would make more sense.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
I knew this would make it over.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
The answer is "yes." A resounding yes.
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Without a doubt a no.
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In a heartbeat.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Why are the Rays only 6th in Mobility, I wonder?
Their team is young, and nobody is expensive. They have some of the most enviable contracts in baseball.
With Moore and Longo
and others they should be #1 in mobility. I question how high of a score Philly gets for MLB current team. This is for 2017? They are old now, five years from now they will be that much older. Off the top of my head, Hamels and Brown and ??? for good young talent on their big league team.
Not every squatch is a rocket scientist
by groundingout on Feb 16, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
They can’t take on any salary.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yeah,
that they have to trade some arb guys…
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
they can't get out of St. Pete
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Feb 16, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
A bunch of the mobility scores don't make a lot of sense to me.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
The mobility concept is kind of a strange one...
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
BOUT DANG TIME
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you had to bet your house
Would you bet that Texas has one WS ring or no ring after these five years?
I’m not sure I wouldn’t bet the latter. They’re just so hard to win.
by Sam Elliott's 'stache on Feb 16, 2012 1:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'd guess Vegas would put the odds against the Rangers winning a title in the next 5 years
Not every squatch is a rocket scientist
by groundingout on Feb 16, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Vegas can go to hell
They predicted the Rangers would beat SF and StL and got my hopes all kinds of up.
Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.
by WyoRanger on Feb 16, 2012 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ladder.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
heh
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The Angels are improved as of now
and Seattle and Oakland shouldn’t be gimmies 3 years down the road….
by ruben_sierra#21 on Feb 16, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'd bet yes.
Honest to god.
Not comfortably, though.
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Yikes.
Here’s a fun one: Who has a better shot- Rays or Rangers?
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Rangers.
But if the Rays could spend $130M it would be terrifying.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
How many more blue chip talents would the Rays have to uncover
in the next 2 years for you to switch?
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on how many the Rangers uncover.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Feb 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Touche.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when you start thinking of how much stupid depth there is in our lower system.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
They're pretty good at unconvering talent, too.
Arguably better at developing it (especially if you just focus on pitchers).
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Oh sure.
They are better at it.
But are they better by enough to overcome not being able to spend half of what we do?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Perhaps.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
If the Rays can't win their division, remember, there is a good chance going forward
they’ll have to play a 1-game playoff just to get into the ALDS
Man
Bullpen Banter is going to join KG by having Profar in their top 5
Either at 3 behind Moore, Harper, and Trout and ahead of Miller, or behind Miller
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FWIW
Machado at 8
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I just watched the video of Olney talking about this on the front page of ESPN
And I jammed my weenie on the underside of my desk.
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
by ILikePizza on Feb 16, 2012 1:27 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Chair won't go any lower.
I just have a really large weenie.
/humblebrag
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
Pfft
You wish that was a brag
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 2:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The podcast with KLaw and Karabell is a good listen
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7578480
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It was better with Peter Pascarelli
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What would you trade for Kevin Youklis?
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
He's so good
but he’s hurt so often
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Yeah
and is on the wrong side of the aging curve.
He probably ‘means’ too much to the fans given what he ‘should return’, but I’m not really sure about what those quoted words are valued at here.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
contract shit with Youker
09:$6M, 10:$9.125M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M, 13:$13M club option ($1M buyout)
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btho Iowa State
Thanks.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Wut.
Hell no.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Youkilis is awesome.
And would fill a very big need for this club. Perfect player to slide into the #2 spot in the lineup.
and plays where?
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
first base
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he's a shitburger of a 3B
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well too harsh, but he's way better at 1B
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so how much better is Youk at first than some version of MM, Face and Nap?
Especially considering the price?
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 16, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
he'll statistically destroy moreland and young
napoli would be close
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In this situation Napoli loses 0 at bats.
So that doesn’t matter. Young would lose a few at bats, and Moreland would lose the most.
And the improvement would be significant over Moreland. Youkilis is a perfect fit for this team.
Mitch Moreland would become some sort of 4th OF.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
For 2013 after we non tender Murphy?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Basically.
Then you’ve got Gentry/Borbon fighting for the 5th OF role behind Martin.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'll be surprised if Borbon is in this organization in 12 months.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'll be surprised if he isn't
What are you thinking happens? He shouldn’t make jack in arbitration, and he hardly has any trade value.
I think he'll get traded.
I think the only reason he wasn’t traded last year at the deadline to the Nationals for a bullpen arm was that he got hurt.
If he stays healthy and doesn’t fall completely flat on his face I think he’ll get traded.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm not saying Youk isn't good.
But that’s a lot. Youk is too old to give up that kind of haul.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
"That kind of haul" is overstating it, imo
Both are valuable, obviously, but neither have a true role in our future plans, as a franchise.
It's hard to say that a pitcher who profiles to be a #3 in a championship caliber rotation doesn't have a role in our future
especially when said guy works his ass off and could easily eclipse projections
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I like Olt and Ramirez
But I’d rather have Youkilis for 2 years than those two guys in the farm system.
And I don’t care about his salary. Right now the team is supposedly so maxed out that it can’t sign Mike Gonzalez. Adding Youkilis’ salary isn’t realistic anyways.
I'm fine with trading them...
I just want something more valuable than a 33 year old guy who gets hurt a lot.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If you think his 2011 was a sign of things to come
I’m completely on board with your rationale. However this guy is one year removed from being on a 3 year streak of .950+ OPS. That’s crazy good. And he’s a good defender at first base to boot.
It's his age.
I’m absolutely fine for trading for him… just not giving up a package like Olt/Ramirez to do it.
That’s a massive overpay IMO.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If they eat some salary.
He’s owed $25M (assuming option)… so maybe $8M.
I probably would.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm interested in what you'd think is a fair return for Olt/Ramirez
Not necessarily from the Red Sox
There's not a specific player in mind...
But I’d want someone with cost controlled years that’s probably reasonable to give you surplus value of around $20-30M.
Not a superstar.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
First of all,
they’d be trading him because they ostensibly have a guy in Middlebrooks [or others] who can already take over at 3B.
I’m not sure what Ramirez’s value is around the majors right now, but that feels too high for a guy that old with that injury history. I guess the years aren’t bad…
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
The question is what would I trade.
Not what would they would need. Olt/Ramirez is the top value I’d be willing to give up.
I'd love to have him
I’d take his 100-130 games at 1b and pray he’s healthy for the playoffs
This is age 33 season.
I’d give up Harrison for him, if we can sign Oswalt and they would eat his next 2 years salary (i.e., with the option taken). Throw in Ross or something, if that’s not quite enough.
Harrison for Youklis is pretty interesting.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Eh.
I think Youk is probably worth something like 6.5 to 7 WAR over the next three years.
I think Harrison is probably worth something like 9 WAR. Harry will cost roughly $16M over the next three years. Youk will cost $37M over the next three years.
If they ate a full $24M I guess I’d consider it.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Ah yes. Read it wrong. Thought it was two more at $12 and then an option for $13.
Still… Harry’s probably worth $42M in value that we’ll only pay $16M for over the next three years.
That’s a lot of surplus value in a hard throwing left hander.
It’s an overpay IMO and a win now move. I suppose you’d have to consider it… but it doesn’t make me excited.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
If Bos ate the salary, though...
Rangers keep about the same payroll
Replace Harrison with Oswalt and Moreland with Youkilis.
That team healthy in the playoffs would be incredible.
You think Oswalt is going to sign for $2.95M?
And you’re positive that Oswalt can even pitch a full season much less give you what Harry might?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Okay...
I am not confident Oswalt would give you what Harry will. Not at all. Back issues scare the shit out of me.
At best he would cost twice as much as Harry in salary.
No thanks.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
There are obviously concerns, sure.
Other mitigations, though:
Harry is no lock to repeat performance;
we’d have Feldman, Ogando, NeRa, and Marteen to replace Oswalt if/when he goes down;
if Oswalt is healthy in the playoffs, I’m more confident with him on the mound than Harry.
we’d have Youkilis instead of Moreland in the field and at the plate.
We add depth, having Moreland as a AAA player ready to come up, if someone is injured.
Our lineup could be:
Kinsler – Youk – Hamilton – Naps – Beltre – Cruz – Young – Elvis – CF
Damn it just got all tingly in here*
*here = my pants
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not opposed to acquring Youk
But I don’t want to pay the moon for him.
I’m not very interested in Oswalt under almost any circumstance aside from a non roster invite.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oswalt and Youkilis are beyond their healthy years
and why would Boston trade Youk? They are a contending team and his salary doesn’t hurt them the way it would us if we are already over budget
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm sort of assuming they are interested in trading him
in this LSB-trade-speculation time.
They do need cheap, controllable starters, and they have Middlebrooks ready to come in and play 3b.
Yeah,
it only makes sense if you think Harrison’s peaked and/or isn’t going to be properly used because parts of the FO have a hardon for RoyO
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
The better question is what you would need for Desmond Jennings.
[I don’t even want him, inquiring minds want to know tho]
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Fantasy talk.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh don't be sorry.
Fantasy talk for everyone not involved is the worst thing ever. I think you’d have been perfectly justified in saying, “QUIT SHITTING UP THE THREAD WITH YOUR STUPID FUCKING FANTASY TALK”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't know, what do you think Kenny Loften's 1992 season is worth?
The idea of a Trout/Jennings combo is growing on me quite a bit.
Jennings isn't hitting .285 next year and he's not swiping 66 bags.
Trout doesn’t even fit in their OF at the moment.
by LiamP on Feb 16, 2012 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Including AAA!
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
No. Just Excel.
I’ll upload one tonight though with all my ranking and value stuff out.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I just noticed Desmond Jennings is 25 years old.
I thought he was a bit younger. He’s only one year younger than Delmon Young.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I have no idea.
I assume he’s keeping Ubaldo and Romero, otherwise there’s no point in acquiring them. Those 2, CC, Teixeira, Jones I would think.
by LiamP on Feb 16, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is what I have.
I’m expecting Mauer to go to either jon at 5 or vfn at 6.
But who knows.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Now you can start doing mock drafts.
Which is the fun part.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I have him keeping Upton over Konerko
Though I could be mistaken.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Wouldn't lock that in
May have a sexy Latino coming my way soon.
by LiamP on Feb 16, 2012 5:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Weaver over one of the other pitchers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'll be keeping A-Rod in Weaver's place.
Cano
Cabrera
Choo
Napoli
A-Rod
Drafting Prince
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Don't hate.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm assuming C.J.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
This question does not compute.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody cares about Ty's fantasy team.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
How much value are you expecting from Youk over the next three years?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The tricky thing
is you can speculate about regression all you want, and his value will still come down to how many games he misses.
I’m less worried about total WAR value (since it would be incredibly dependent on his injuries) since we have a carousel at 1b with Naps, Young, and Moreland.
I’m more excited by the idea of what our club’s ceiling as a healthy team is, come playoff time.
He's 33 and gets hurt a lot.
I think that’s optimistic, especially with the positional loss at 1B.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd even Yoooooooooouk for him...
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Ofosho
The batting stance would still drive me crazy, but I’d just focus on signs that the furry creature attached to his chin was about to finally give up and let go.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 16, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
So best shape of his life - From Olney
Brandon Webb is throwing on flat ground — free and easy and pain free, says agent Jonathan Maurer — and will throw for scouts at some pt.
on a good day
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Was Justin Thompson with him?
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 16, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Give him $ 3 million!!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
by Josey Wales on Feb 16, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He should probably just go ahead and bow out gracefully.
He’s done.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Hey...
it wasn’t Star Wars this time!
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 16, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
The Force is strong with this one.......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 16, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Suck on it, Angels.
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by AfterSchoolSpecial on Feb 16, 2012 6:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Help me out here...I understand why the Rangers would be regarded as one of
the best teams in MLB coming into 2012…every team that went to the World Series the previous year gets that love…but how come they think we’re going to be great for 5 years?
As far as everybody knows, Josh is gone after 2012. Same with Naps, Cobra and Adams. Face, Kinz and Cruz are gone after 2013…the only true stud in the minors is Profar.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
"A" for effort.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
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