Groundhog Day Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2012 8:28 AM CST
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PrintHappy Groundhog Day everyone. I hope you're enjoying your day off (everyone gets this holiday off of work, right?).
If you want Rangers news this morning, you're out of luck.
Richard Durrett continues his positional previews by looking at the Rangers' DH position.
That's it.
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Dear Roy Oswalt:
Please make up your mind. I’m tired of concerning myself with the ramifications of you joining the Rangers.
Sincerely.
A concerned fan.
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 2, 2012 8:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
This
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Listen to GOSF, Roy
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And pick the Cards
Hopefully for $10m
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
HOF
Young or Beltre if they both have 3000+ hits and a WS Title?
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Both would go
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I agree.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
3000 hits is a shoe in
unless you’re Raffy or Rose
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Poor Raffy
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Agree...
If Raffy would have just admitted to it and said something like.. “I only did it once later in my career to help me recover more quickly.” He would not carry as much of a stigma. His body never looked roided up like Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, etc. But his finger wagging at Congress has made him look bad. The stigma on everyone who admitted using has been mitigated.
Actually I think the finger wagging stuff made him look like the only credible one on that day.
The positive test later obviously destroyed every shred of credibility, but still…
Agreed
the finger wagging was a bold gambit but would have been a great move had he been able to avoid that last drug test result. Just needed to be smarter after the wagging.
I think Raffy roided to stay on the field
while some others roided to set records.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I think that's a fair point
I’ve heard it said that Bonds was mad at McGwire for roiding up and decided to roid up and outslug him.
The finger wag has a rather undistinguished pedigree as a substitute signal
And that’s when I knew Raffy had juiced.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Mitigated maybe.
Not like any of those people are in. McGwire looks less and less likely.
Pettitte is the only person who has a chance but he seems to get a pass for just appearing to be a really nice guy
I think we all assume Clemens injected him in the butt.
Wut.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Did you know Omar Vizquel has 2844 hits?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He's been in the league for 42 years.
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
His WAR is -.02 over the last 4 years
Ouch. His best year of course being in Texas; really enjoyed watching him play. Class act.
While they were a sympton of an organization that was a work in progress trying to patch holes and fill seats, I can’t deny enjoying seeing some of the past their prime vets that were run through here for a few months.
I've really enjoyed seeing some of the guys I used to really like come through.
My love of baseball started with the Braves so I enjoyed watching Andruw Jones and Jeff Francoeur. Also, having Pudge back for a short period of time was obviously awesome.
by elchicodelgado on Feb 2, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Even Sosa was kind of fun... for the 600 game at least heh.
too bad he blocked Jason Botts. Oh Bottsy…
And while Vlad was not as much of a reach as some of the other attempts, it was great to see him look in prime form for a couple months. One of the few stars on a rival team that I couldn’t help but like the whole time.
I had tickets to Sosa's 600 game
But I didn’t get to go.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I went to the previous game trying to catch it.
It was cool to be there in the atmosphere with all the camera flashes anyway.
Dang
It was almost an LSB event
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was at that game, too.
Got my free Sosa shirt.
I had gotten this really cool on-the-field-experience ticket package thing for my birthday. I could use it on any game, except for games against the big teams (LAA, NYY, BOS and apparently CHC). I picked the 600 game but they wouldn’t let me go. lol
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Almost forgot
CS, B
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was there.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
600, or the day before?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
600....THAT was a very cool moment but he was
38 years old…running 38 year old players out there on a team that’s 23-42 sucks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Ehh
When hes going for a milestone and the young alternative is Jason Botts I have no issue with it
Its not like we were holding Mike Trout back for Sammy Sosa
I know one of the arguments back at the time was
that The Sosa was helping put Butts in Seats.
Complete bullshit.
There were 37,000 out there the night he hit 600 and at least 1/3 of those fans were Cubs fans.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I'd say getting ~25000 fans out on a weekday night to see a team 20 games under 500 is pretty good
He may not have sold out the stadium but I think you could easily say his chase for 600 got extra fans to come to the games
It definately did
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
There were more fans at the game 2 nights
after The Sosa hit 600….Rangers were still playing the Cubs and at least 1/3 (from my eyes) were Cubs fans.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So you dont think it could have been a case of people trying to predict when he would hit the HR
And buying tickets in advance?
Maybe some but I don't think The Sosa
put too many butts in seats that year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Must have been Bravo Kenny Lofton then
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
According to B-R he made 500K that year
He didn’t have to put too many butts in seats to be considered a positive investment
Shhhhh
the team he played for wasn’t good yet. That means he was a bad idea.
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Are you saying that Mike Trout is better than Jason Botts?!
Wha… I don’t….
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I absolutely hated everything about The Bravo Kenny Lofton / The Sosa Era.
2007 was a fucking joke and one of the most hopeless years I can ever remember….right there with ’82 & ’85
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I did like Vizquel
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Oh you didn't like the acquisition of Kenny Lofton?
First I’ve heard of it.
by FuturePants on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I recall too much Kenny Lofton discussion to get into that
but its not like they were the cause of losing seasons. They were a sympton of a roster with a bunch of holes and not much in the way of hitting prospects.
I didn't say Lofton was THE cause for the losing.
I just don’t like having $ 6 million 40 year old CFs on mediocre teams with a small market payroll.
There’s no hope at that point….you’re running in place.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I think it was closer to $ 4 million (2/3 of $ 6 million).
That doesn’t make it any better…he was signed for $ 6 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
He was signed for 6 million
With the intention that if we were not in contention we would trade him, which we did.
We only paid 4 million to Kenny Lofton for his services which was very worth what he gave us. And he brought back a very good prospect at the time.
The entire saga was a waste.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
True that....these are good times and we're having fun, no?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I dont know how we lost less than 100 games that year
It was the usual terrible pitching, except this time the offense sucked too.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I moved down to the end of the Rangers dugout for the last two innings
of a game with the Mariners in late 2009. Vizquel was sitting at the very end of the dugout, and the guy in the row in front of us kept harassing him to take a picture with his kid while the game was still going. Vizquel told him to wait until the game was over, and turned back toward the plate. The guy was furious. Seconds later, Vizquel signed three balls (including his phone number) and rolled them across the top of the dugout to the three maybe 22 year old women sitting right behind the dugout. The guy went ballistic, called him a whore. High comedy.
/cs, b
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by Axe Em Rangers on Feb 2, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Sadly, he won't get to 3000
He might still have a shot at the HOF though
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
How many guys get in that are just known for being defensive wizards -
Meaning, without some kind of landmark offensive stat to bolster their resume?
Ozzie Smith is the only one that comes to mind off the top of my head.
And Vizquel was a better hitter than Ozzie.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Rabbit Maranville
and Mazeroski
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
maz w/ a wRC+ of 82
thought he was closer to 95ish
oops
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
does he get in without the HR?
by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2012 11:30 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
who knows
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think he does
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 2, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
No.
Different era. They were pretty close and Vizquel continuing to play is dragging down his OPS+… but I glanced at the slash and + numbers and saw the wrong one for Ozzie.
And I’ve seen about 10,000% more of Vizqel’s career than Ozzie. All I remember about the wizard was the backflips and occasionally seeing the Cards on WGN.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Indeed, both.
barring scandal.
Now what would be interesting is if they retire at 2,950 or something.
Faces professionalism gets him in
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's why he'll get in based on his leadershippings
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's a myth
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even if he was a Beltre level defender it'd be tough
but even if you project his offense to age remarkably well (and hey, hes surprised us so far)… its hard to see him getting an every day role long enough to do so.
I just don't see how a person who was never in the running for an MVP award
can get in. There are defensive exceptions but surely you have to at least be in serious contention for an MVP at least once.
2004?
I’m sure he was close
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He was 2nd in his monster 2004
to now hated Barry Bonds…. so at least hes got that.
It would have been interesting to see where he ended up last year if he had racked up 130 rbi rather than getting hurt.
He would have been near the top on my ballot
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Beltre might have a chance if he maintains his stellar defensive rep for most his career
but I also don’t think his chances are all that great either. Just slightly better than Young’s.
I don't know...
all that leadership…well thought of around the league…plays in Evan Grant’s media jurisdiction…
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Maybe if Michael Young was Michael Young in Boston or New York he would get in
but Michael Young of the Texas Rangers isn’t getting in.
AL championships help
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Needs a WS, I think.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I know I do.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Oh god do I
It still hurts
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
It's a sports wound I never knew existed until 4 months ago.
by lost in space on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Damn I had somehow forgotten about it
until I saw this thread. Now it hurts like hell again.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Just imaging the gif of JD
asking why he can’t hold all of those starting pitchers.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
He's sniffed it.
Just hasn’t won. Seattle is a big part of that.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, he got one first place MVP vote!
But yeah, personally I’d be surprised if he gets in with anything less than 3,000 tickets because of that. The immense respect (earned or not..) he has among the players/managers will probably be enough to put him over the top as long as he does though.
Of course, no sabermetric analysis is going to have him close to the HoF even if he had been top 3 one year.
How was Beltre not in serious contention in 2004?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Gammons said it was because he couldn't hit on the road
"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider
Use the Elway head bob next time...didja know the 60s-70s Celtics had a Hank Finkel as a big white spare on their team? The Greg Kite of his time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
My screen name is a tribute ...
to the 7-footer who sat on the end of their bench.
"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider
So that's why you have a picture of him in your profile...
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Big NBA fan?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Not so much any more.
I was when I was a kid. The Rangers dominate my spare time now.
"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider
How do you feel about Dan Marino
and cross dressing?
Reallyl?!
Was that when he played at Dodger Stadium, one of the worst hitters parks in America. You are not using the Josie road stats make the MVP argument, or are you just kidding?
Tongue-in-cheek
"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider
by henryfinkel on Feb 2, 2012 11:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's true
But it’s not impossible. MY has more hits than Biggio at his age 34 season. And MY has played one lesser season than Biggio when he was 34, so his pace is actually quite a bit faster.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
And LSB would explode in disgust if Face made it with 2950 hits
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I doubt it
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
It's just bias.
Whether he deserved it or not, especially whether he deserved it over whomever else would be on that ballot or not wouldn’t really be a concern of mine. I just like Rangers getting in the Hall.
Who cares.
If Kirby Puckett is a first balloter, then there’s no reason MY shouldn’t make it in to the Hall eventually IF he gets 3,000th hit.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Kirby Puckett is such a great name.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
This is one of my first memories as a baseball fan - 5 yrs old
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19287533&c_id=mlb
combined with the name, and he’s always been one of my favorite non-Rangers
I was a Twins fan growing up...loved that guy.
I also used to love saying Kent Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrbeeeek
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Me too
It would be pretty awesome to see a player that I grew up watching make it into the HOF.
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
I personally would not
it would mean another Ranger getting recognition.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
You saw how this place reacted when he got 1 first place MVP vote.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Logical fallacy
those situations are not one in the same.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 2, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
indeed....and there were multiple players more deserving
HOF looks at his career not 1 year.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
And there were some voters who didn't have Young in the Top 10 (just as big a travesty).
Say what you want to about Young but he had a great year on one of the best teams in MLB….he finished 8th in the AL which was about right and all that should have really mattered.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So what
What is this related to the case when he reach 2950 and enter 2950? Explain it
I prefer the international version.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Problems?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
struggling.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
keep typo-ing
“What is this related to the case when he reach 2950 and enter HOF? Explain it”
good luck trying to get an answer
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Yep
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Happens to the best of us
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
MY did have a great year and I was thrilled about it
hopefully he can do the same this year.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
a travesty not to be in the top 10?
HE WASNT IN THE TOP 5 ON HIS OWN TEAM!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Well
Beltre and Kins were easily ahead of him.
Who else? CJ?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what metric do you prefer?
WAR? he is behind kinsler, beltre, napoli, andrus, hamilton
wRC+? he is behind napoli, beltre, hamilton, kinsler
we are talking about a no glove hitter who had a 106 wRC+ this year and who has a career 107 wRC+.
…in the hall of fame?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Beltre, Kinsler, Napoli, Elvis, and probably Hamilton too
If you include pitchers, CJ definitely and Harrison and Holland might have an argument too
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
War
ain’t good for nothing
by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
just not into the new metrics that much
i prefer other things..but learning more about it..just like anything new..it takes time
totally understand that
statistically, young was somewhere around the 4th or 5th best hitter on the team
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I was trying to make a funny
and ended up screwing up the lyric.
WAR has it’s uses but too many treat it as The Stat.
It's deeply flawed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
based on your view
yes
but if anyone is using any one singular stat (including WAR) to determine the value of a player the are doing it wrong.
WAR is a worthy stat.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
With people who consider WAR to be their guiding light.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
So in all honesty
What argument will you use next year when Elvis, Neffy, and Harrison do in fact pass Tex in WAR since 07?
OK, create your own stat.
Take your top five favorite stats and weight them however you want to, and come up with a total, and compare it to all Rangers who have over say 300 at bats, or however many you want to. And see if Michael Young comes out number one in your own newly created statistic. And have fun doing it!
If you're going to use one stat.
fWAR is your best bet almost always.
But the creators and users of fWAR will tell you that you should look at more than just one stat.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Anything but catcher is mostly fine I think
Of course, you can get deeper into things for a specific argument, but in general it does a good job.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
using WAR to compare a SS
to a RF is almost useless. Totally different skill sets for the players. Someone like Elvis’ WAR is primarily based on defense and baserunning which is not as well difined statistically as offense.
Defense might not be
but we have a pretty good idea on what’s going on with baserunning.
As for the defense, the specific UZR/DRS a player gets isn’t that much of a factor in their WAR that it can completely skew the results most of the time. Elvis last year was only worth 7 runs defensively and would be a 3.8 fWAR player if he was neutral defensively instead of 4.5 fWAR. The major difference though is the positional adjustment. +7 defensive runs as a SS is valued more than +7 defensive runs as a RF and that’s where the difference comes.
I think there’s a good argument for the specific positional adjustment values, but I think they’re mostly right within a few runs. This is why I don’t have a problem comparing a power hitting RF to a speedy, defensive SS. They gain their value in 2 separate ways, but that is taken into account with the WAR formula.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Baserunning is not that subjective
At least, no more subjective than offense. Going first to third is just as much in the runner’s control as stretching a single into a double.
There's not that much subjective about baserunning though
Baserunning is just calculated from run expectancy charts basically. You can disagree with the method, but its not a subjective stat.
There’s an argument for defense, but you’re also talking about what is most likely a small difference. Usually, the defensive stats will disagree on exact run totals, but I think there is more often than not an agreement on whether or not a player was above average or not.
For someone like Elvis, if he wasn’t worth 7 runs defensively last year and was worth only 3 or maybe he was worth up to 10 runs, that won’t have a huge effect on his final WAR. He’ll still get that ~7 run positional adjustment as a SS just like a RF gets docked something like 7 runs. That’s where the big inherent difference comparing a RF to a SS comes from and I get the argument against it. It just has little to do with how their defense grades out.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
I know
but you’re likely talking about a difference of a few runs and nothing that drastic one way or another. Excluding the top few and the worst few, you are usually left with something like something in the range of something like -10 runs to maybe +15 runs.
If we were comparing the worst defensive RFs to the best defensive SSs, that can make a bit more of a difference maybe, but the positional adjustment between the 2 is still around a 15 run swing. Usually the defensive swings you’re talking about are maybe 10 runs or so and that doesn’t mean that it is an undeserved swing.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Ugh
You are killing me.
You act like it’s just a bunch of random dudes throwing out random numbers.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
This is incorrect.
Bordering on nonsensical.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I understand that
It’s a convenient way to compare values of players but it is by no means an end-all stat
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
ok what do you prefer?
wRC+? (only for hitters)
he was the 5th best hitter (only) on the team.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Say what you want about WAR
but its mostly just a collection of various advanced metrics. If you don’t want to look at WAR specifically, that’s fine but it really doesn’t change how I would rank the players. Kinsler, Beltre, and Napoli were clearly the much better players just when looking at standard stats and applying a little bit of sense.
Elvis’ value was mostly derived from defense and baserunning as a SS, so you could argue some there that Young was the better player, but I would disagree with that. Hamilton’s is mostly a question of playing time and how much you want to discount on the field performance for time missed.
As for the pitchers, its very subjective to try and compare the value of a pitcher to the value of a position player, but I think we can agree that CJ at least was more valuable than Young last season.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
yeah..but its just a stat
and il always take a guy who hits in clutch situations with a lower war..over a guy with a higher war but spits the bit when the money is on the table..alot of players drive for show..but its the putt for dough guys that should go to Cooperstown in my opinion
Then what you want is win probability (WPA)
Young was 3rd by that metric, although he was 6th in WPA/LI which further takes into account the leverage of the situation.
Also, did you see Young in the playoffs. Talk about spitting the bit when the money is on the table.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
im not a MY maniac..MVP and all that
but we would have been in trouble without him..and he was our best clutch hitter thruout the yr ..see Kinsler is the one for me..he has all the WAR stats..and all that..but when we needed a clutch hit it wasnt him i wanted up..Beltre, MY, Nap..whereas i think Ian is very good 2b..i dont want to pay what i believe he is gona want..esp compared to Kendrick’s contract and i consider him a comparable player
There's plenty out there on the actual clutch ability
if you want to look into that. I think WPA is the best we can get at determining how much a player helped his team win in an abstract way. I just wouldn’t consider it over WAR and the various stats taken into account by WAR or that can be used to get more clarity (like LD%, BABIP, etc).
With that said, I’m not looking to get into any kind of discussion based on a gut feeling that the best player on the team wasn’t the guy you wanted up there when we needed a hit. Who knows how much he wants to be paid, but that’s especially silly considering your apparent faith in Young and the contract he’s on.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
You must have missed the part where
I said i wasnt a MY maniac..altho i did say he hit in the clutch and was valuable to us thruout the yr..I didnt mention his contract because i see no way we keep him near the 16mil he is getting..i mentioned Ian because he is considered a core player but i dont want to pay him more than the 10mil he wil have made at the end of his contract..but saying Neg about him in here i have found causes people to start shouting WAR and MVP at the top of their lungs..lol
Its probably because Kinsler was the best player on this team last year
and the only way to disprove that is by making up reasons to justify one’s hatred of him.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
i dont hate him to think he wasnt
the best player..he was solid.very good yr..but would like to see it for at least 2yrs ina row..which he hasnt done in his career..at what age does a 2b performance start the decline? he will be nearly 32 when contract is up..do you think he will be worth a MY contract when that happens?..thats all im saying
The same Ian Kinsler who hit .214 with a .302 OBP (as the lead-off hitter) on the road?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
i agree Josey..he had a solid yr overall
i just dont think he was close to the best. MY signed his big contract everyone talks about at 31..i just dont to get out from under 1 and crawl under anothr..its the same argument people make against signing Josh..his injuries and age..but for some reason Ian gets a pass in here
What stat...
takes into account a player who played multiple positions all season long in order to help out other teammates?
by Buddy Smokes on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
First of all, he did it because the Rangers didn't find a trading partner for him
Not because of some sort of selfless act to help his teammates.
And WAR takes into account Young playing multiple positions. That’s the positional adjustment in the WAR formula. Similar to most logically sound people, it doesn’t give him super extra bonus points for doing what his team told him to do. Even if he played 14 games at 2B and filled in at 3B when Beltre got hurt.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Somebody had to carry the load at 2B when it was time for Ian to rest.
Somebody had to play 3B when Beltre broke down during an especially critical time of the season that also happened during the hottest summer evah.
And he also learned how to play 1B / DH all the while hitting .3motherfucking38 for a team that won 96 games.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
and was a 106 wRC+ guy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
106 wRC+!
for a bat only guy!
106!
we are talking about a guy who has been worse than johnny damon with the bat since 2000!
ONE HUNDRED SIX!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Logical fallacy= JW being JW
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is true
but im fresh off taking the LSAT fairly recently so it is interesting to see all of the logical fallacies that the LSAT employs that JW also employs…
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by Michael Cave on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
No one disgust Face
People just disgust blind supporter of him like you
by Alvin Lin on Feb 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
How is this not green people?
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Young is probably pissed
that Chuck Morgan named Jeter and couldn’t think of him when answering the active hit leaders among right handed batters
I would celebrate any current Ranger making the hall
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be fucking ecstatic if MY gets into the HOF and is wearing a Rangers cap
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Doubt they get there.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
No one disgust Face
People just disgust blind supporter of him like you
by Alvin Lin on Feb 2, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Good comment
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to rec this.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Seems appropriate
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ignore above
Y’all did green this shit.
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Ground Hog Day
You know I don’t live to far from Punxsutawney , PA and it was really cloudy this morning so how in hell did that ground hog see his shadow?
flashlight?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
and we know
That Bill Murray was killed in Zombieland
by frankhowardfan on Feb 2, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
i literally almost fell on the floor doubled over when that happened
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Best part of the movie?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
debatable...altho its up there
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
I'm having a hard time remembering some of the other parts, actually :(
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely
ANd I loved that movie, but that was a laugh to tears moment.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Groundhog Day
That motherfucker sees his shadow what, like 98% of the time? Such a bullshit holiday.
"Those cocksuckers asking me if I thought we were gonna go up there and try to work his fuckin’ pitch count ‘cause he’s on three fuckin’ days rest…you know what I told those cocksuckers? He pitch ball, ball cross plate, we gonna knock the shit out of it."
- Wash
Even if it was 50/50
It would still be a dumb Holliday.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
ACTUALLY
I am thing of voting for Phil for president
by frankhowardfan on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Would we even care if it weren't for the movie?
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't even know what groundhog day was
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He just demanded to traded................:
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Be traded*....
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes they do
Shhhhhh
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whoa. 127 comments in a morning thread announcing no news? I wonder what this could be about.
[scrolls up, left index on z]
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Waddle on back to Tamponia.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
That's sexist
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
And weightist.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
What do you call people who look down on the education of others?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Techist
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Winner
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I love it, i know this one!!! I usually never know these brain teasers...
The doctor was the mother of the guy in the operating room.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 2, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Smarter than you
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
by Gdawg on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Benji
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
heh keep at it bud
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Justin Verlander? I piss on Justin Verlander --AJM
Pfft
You actually think you’ll get one?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So many problems with this comment
Where to begin.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
First of all
Profanity is allowed (if not encouraged) at LSB.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fuckin' A!
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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
What's your question?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Scroll up...
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 10:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and people wonder why OT thread traffic is so much higher than baseball thread traffic
or why people leave the site
its shit like this LSB…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Todays thread was ok
Josey was here, but he wasn’t really arguing with anyone.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only because nobody was biting on his horseshit.
He was every bit as terrible today as he always is.
If a long sub-thread isn't biting
Then I would like to know what is.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone knows the golden rule
but normally doesn’t follow it.
by lost in space on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
No one ever follows it
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do virtually every day
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I don't know why ya'll let
Josey bother you so much.
by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Scrolling down is SOOO hard
You could get carpal tunnel syndrome.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's not like I wished the Bastrop fires would should and wipe out the Baylor campus.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Why Baylors campus?
Take out UTs (if you can find it…)
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the fact that we are even discussing someone making the HOF/getting 3000 hits
when they have less than 2100 hits so far in their career boggles my mind.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry that this thread has been so hard on you
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
it is stupid.
106 wRC+ guys who are all bat shouldnt ever even be considered for the HOF.
sorry.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he'll make it
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
maybe we can talk about
can we also talk about juan pierre? or johnny damon?
since 2000, both of them are over 2000 hits, damon has a 112 wRC+ (and rings) — should they make it in the HOF as well?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Neither
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wait
but damon is a better player than michael young!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Happy Groundhog Day!
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"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Traffic isn't even remotely higher on the OT thread.
More comments does not equal more traffic. Very rarely does an OT thread even come close to a front page post in numbers of readers. People just leave it open all day and Z to the next comment.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I don't think very many people just look at the OT threads
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's got a hardcore group of regulars...
That treat it like a chat room. Which I think is very cool and I enjoy that aspect of the community… but there are a LOT of people who come to this site and never comment. And they come for Rangers content.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The lurkers
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
there are many, many lurkers
that is right
i just get annoyed because almost every single baseball thread i go into ends up with some sort of josey bullshit which reminds me why i usually avoid comments in the threads.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
the people you should
be criticizing are the mods. So why don’t you get on that. The only thing worse than Josie are the people who engage with Josie and the people who bitch about the people who engage with josie.
And as a reminder...
I am not a mod. Only AJM, goET and Ryin are mods.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I never claimed you were
a personal failing does not a mod make
My reminder wasn't just for you.
And this will be the last time you attack me personally.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's ok that you don't get it.
Calling someone an asshole is a personal attack. I never use epithets; it’s boring.
There's a difference between criticism and being an asshole.
You admitted yourself the next day you were drunk and being an asshole… getting the night off isn’t the end of the world.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So what?
Everyone’s an asshole on here, all the time. I didn’t deserve a ban. Justifying it by saying that I was being an asshole is a very thin justification.
Not saying I’m blameless or anything like that, but critizing him got me a ban, period.
I missed your "suspension"
was it for criticizing AdMo about Josie?
Criticizing GoET
because he didn’t post the score in a post game thread. At least, that was the beginning.
huh
that seems weird
If we are totalling up permabans (I seem to be next on the list, if stix has his wish), the only two I can recall are BrettG and Dirk. Are there a lot of others?
dirkatron isn't banned, at least I don't believe he is
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
oh
he got banned temporarily and/or warned but then just left, gotcha
BrettG is the only one of real note
There have been others who come and go.
And Dirkatron is not one
hes just dead.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
If Dirk were banned, I would voluntarily ban myself.
Because that would be ridiculous.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Dirk was never banned...
and I wish he’d come back.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 2, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Rangers100.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
No... I already said I'm not a mod...
I have no interest in banning you… just ignoring you if you want to continually take shots… same as I’d do for anyone else.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
x
The only weird/stupid thing about it is that goet has had absolutely zero consistency or rhyme/reason when it comes to issuing bans. It seems to simply be: “annoy goet, get banned.”
I think you've just described every board I've ever been on.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Sure
But when AJM sets forth standards and goet ignores them, that’s not exactly like every other board. It’s just annoying.
how often do you fucking think i do this.
i quit because nothing is going to happne.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
sometimes the OT thread just explodes
and I don’t bother going be in figuringvI already missed the good part of it
by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
No it really isn't.
The OT threads get a tiny fraction of the readers that front page posts do. KOK’s point is that JW drives people to the OT or away from the site and is using the volume of comments as an indicator… that is completely incorrect. It may be true for some… but that would be a small minority.
I think the OT threads would be the way they are regardless of JW… same with the front page posts. I think his presence has a pretty minimal impact on actual readers other than some may comment less on front page posts.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
no no you are right
i did a bad job of explaining myself there
but i do know that many people focus more on OT + rarely click into the comments part of posts here as a result of the beatings they have become when JW is on his game
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Do the OT comments go down when I venture there?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
xx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Nope
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can't stop an OT thread....you can only hope to contain it......
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
And those who have tried are scarred for life.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I assume his author status gets him access to those numbers
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guarantee you that he's right.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I really don't care.
I was just wondering if he had numbers that we can’t see since he’s a mod.
by lost in space on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I can see numbers.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
It's all about how page views are calculated.
Sitting in one thread and letting it refresh automatically is still only one page view. So the people that camp in the OT threads all day, as I bet most of us do, are still relatively minor parts of the overall total.
The real meat of this place’s traffic comes from people that click through the articles, stories, fanposts, and fanshots, but don’t necessarily post.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
yes, because when AJM laid down the law last summer...
it was do whatever you want in the fanpost/fanshots… just keep it off the front page.
except whatever JW does JW does..
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Holland with a Korean professional baseball player
The guy next to Holland plays for the Nexen Heroes of the Korea Baseball Organization. He had TJS and was rehabilitating in Surprise where his team’s spring training camp is located. Apparently Holland followed him around asking if he could have his cap but the guy at first avoided Holland thinking he’s some random dude. After he found out who Holland was, he met up with Holland and gave him the cap and had a friendly chat. Apparently Holland goes around wearing that cap claiming he’s a Nexen player.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
LOVE THAT GOOFY BASTARD
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I think he is grabbing that guy's ass
Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™ Jorge C 1/28/12
Why does it looked like Holland was shipped to Suprise via UPS?
"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan
xx
. Apparently Holland goes around wearing that cap claiming he’s a Nexen player.
this sounds like the most Holland thing ever.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
No shit.
I thought the same thing.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Exactly my thought when I first saw the story.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty much
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Duuuuuutch
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i read where he tried Harry for a CF..but it fell thru..i think he had irons
in the fire but stayed with their Yu gameplan
That's a pretty salty rotation.
Strasburg, Zimmerman, Gio and EJax.
I wonder what they paid… I’m going to guess… 3 years, $33M.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
The Rizzo Bailout
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
supposedly its just 1 year 8-12 million
I kind of wanted to see it be longer if you could get him at a low cost, but obviously 1 year is very very safe and there will be others to bid on.
8-12 is a pretty big range
but that’s actually pretty good. Much better than I thought he would get.
Yep.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Nats have done a good job this offseason, despite overpaying (imo) for Gio.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
In prospects.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I guess you could argue that
But by them signing him to that extension that makes giving up that much a lot easier to take.
I agree.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Let's have rough predictions for the AL East
Phillies 92-70
Braves 87-75
Nationals 86-76
Marlins 82-80
Mets 74-88
I think the Marlins are going to fall a little flat. It feels too forced… that’s all gut though. They have more talent than 82 wins probably.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Did I say they wouldn't somewhere?
I know I thought the Rangers had a better chance RE: Prince… but getting Strasburg for possibly a whole season and Gio takes a decent team and makes them fairly interesting.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
And if Danny Espinosa takes another step forward...
And Zimm stays healthy
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yeah... it's not impossible.
But I don’t think he’d be a massive upgrade over what they’ve got. Maybe 2-3 wins.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
x
Phillies 96-66
Braves 93-69
Nats 86-76
Marlins 79-83
Mets 72-90
So, I agree completely with your ordering of the finishes.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Did the Braves do anything this offseason?
Not much comes to mind.. trading away Lowe.
I hope Heyward can stay healthy and get his swing back.
Signed Jack Wilson as their UIF
A guy I would have liked to have at the price (1/1MM)
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
We really could have used him
Speaking of which, are we doing anything to get our LOOGY and that UIF who can play SS?
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 2, 2012 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hell if I know.
I’m quite surprised we haven’t signed Gonzalez at this point. I assume the UIF will come from some minor trade in early March.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Gonzalez may want too much money
or he is not completely healthy. He made $6M last year. What is the going price for a LOOGY?
They got those prospects, man.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I have an mlb.tv question...
If I buy a subscription and am living in Austin, will I be subject to blackout rules?
If so, what are they exactly?
Yes
You won’t get to watch any games live on there that involve the Rangers or Astros.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I believe you can choose either team's broadcast
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
If Austin is Ranger territory
why the blackout of games carried by their network? Seems like it would increase viewership which would increase ad rates, etc, etc, etc.
you can access
home/away tv/radio feeds
on second thought
I’ve had the broadband package so I’m not sure about the TV package.
Welp
That’s just silly. When I graduate and move back to Texas I don’t plan on getting a TV package, but just using the internet for my streaming needs. I would have gladly paid MLB.tv a subscription fee, but seeing as how I will have a 60 hr/week job, I won’t be able to go to hardly any games at all.
Any ideas on how I can watch the games real time?
stream aggregators
like justin.net, wiziwig, firstrowsports, atchde.net (?), etc
Yes
it sucks. They are archived though.
So I just had an idea.
I’m currently in NJ, so would it be possible to buy the subscription here and then watch the games in TX later this summer? Or do they check IP addresses and other such internet wizadry to preven that from occuring?
I believe they try to check the actual location of your device.
They have been good at figuring out where my phone and laptop were — a move from Baltimore to Chicago didn’t keep me in the Baltimore/DC blackout zone.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
They check both your...
credit card address and the IP address when you access the game. Last year, I used TOR to spoof my IP address and paypal to pay, so that’s how I got around it.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
brilliant.
I keep meaning to take a look at the universe of TOR.
you mean
to thwart a benmor-like stratagem?
Well
not to thwart Ben’s, since he found a way around it. But to thwart my previous ones where I also relied on a Baltimore mailing address while living in Chicago.
At one point, there fix for this was that you just needed to provide a land line number (they could check if it was a cell phone or a land line) and they would call you to verify that you were actually in that city. I wonder if they still allow that.
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