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whoever Oliver is.. I like his projection best

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Even the less optimistic projections

look pretty good. That and the scouting reports have me pretty excited about what Yu can du for the Ryan Sausage Fighters. I’m drooling for spring training reports.

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by t ball on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

Though I think league average GB% is ridiculous in the NPB.

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by Brad on Feb 2, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a hard time getting super excited about taht

Isn’t Ichiro’s typical slap it and sprint style commonplace over there?

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Feb 2, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The ground ball rates are lower there

which is why Oliver adjusted the ground ball rate up in his last projection, but Ichiro’s hitting style is not typical. He actually clashed a lot early on with coaches.

Hideki Matsui – that is a typical style.

by ab03 on Feb 2, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So somewhere between Cain and Felix Hernandez...

is where Yu Darvish is probably projecting? That would work! I’m still trying to grasp realisticly how good Darvish might be, and I’m really not coming up with anything solid. I guess that’s why they play the game or games.

by Philar on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

I like the Felix with more Ks or Ubaldo with fewer BBs

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by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2012 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He might as well have been openly fellating LSB at that point.

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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I needed a moist towelette after that

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by Josh Lile on Feb 2, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I, for one, thank him for it.

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by TXHC on Feb 3, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

would Yu be disappomted in

14 wins, 195IP, 3.21 era, 1.17 whip and 8.23 K/9?

by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2012 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Begs the question

I’m guessing these projections take into account park and league factors. Do they take into account team-specific D and offense?

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

For all intensive purposes I used the phrase correctly

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2012 3:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That was

a dominate answer. So good, in fact, it disorientated me.

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by Flynnyrd on Feb 2, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't of said that

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by t ball on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Under rated

Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™ Jorge C 1/28/12

by Parman on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™ Jorge C 1/28/12

by Parman on Feb 4, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet the answer is no for both

Pretty sure the answer is not for the offense

by ab03 on Feb 2, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels

by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If you throw out the wins I would not be disappointed.

If he has an 8.23 K/9 and a 3.21 era in 195 innings, I think he’ll probably win more than 14 games with this lineup.

by Philar on Feb 2, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

btw

these numbers are the avg from the chart at the bottom of the FG article

by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm throbbing.

I can’t wait for Spring Training.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Feb 2, 2012 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

ewww

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 2, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yu know Yu are too.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Feb 2, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

So the fangraphs article is a bit misleading

Showing the optimistic Oliver projection when they link to the article that actually adjusted it down to one of three categories.

I would be completely fine with the most pessimistic Oliver projection based on the top 5 comps given peripherals that are adjusted down:

ERA HR% BB% K%
3.41 3.0% 8.4% 23.4%

But as someone in the comments kind of pointed out, that HR rate is just guessing. He had miniscule HR rates in Japan but it would have to go up here. Of course, that 3% HR percentage is not super low.

by ab03 on Feb 2, 2012 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

His GB/HR rate will be interesting...

He was getting close to 60% GB in Japan, which would be among the best in MLB. Does anyone know if it translates directly or do pitchers usually have a lower GB% in MLB?

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by e2drummer on Feb 2, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

No way it translates directly.

He should still be good because his stuff is good, but not that good.

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by Aqua on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You should read the Oliver article

it addresses it directly.

In its most pessimistic projection, Oliver decided to adjust it to 55%.

by ab03 on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

it addresses it directly but not in a very scientific way. Just guesses at the 55% number because MLB probably has a lower GB rate than NPB.

by ab03 on Feb 2, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Darvish's GB tendencies are his most overlooked statistic

Even Goldstein was calling Darvish a neutral FO/GO pitcher at the beginning of the posting process, which is obviously not true. He was by far the best NPB pitcher at suppressing HRs, though we don’t know how much of that is due to his ginormous home park.

"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM

by e2drummer on Feb 2, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I WAS GUESSING

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by gossamer on Feb 2, 2012 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

WHY YOU SO DOWN ON YU!?!?

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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 2, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

BOB GIBSON OR GTFO

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by TXHC on Feb 3, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

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