Six Rangers Prospects in the Baseball America Top 100
by Brad on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM CST
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PrintBaseball America released it's preseason top 100 prospect list this morning and six Rangers prospects made the cut:
4. Yu Darvish
7. Jurickson Profar
31. Martin Perez
43. Mike Olt
79. Leonys Martin
100. Christian Villanueva
The notable entry is Christian Villanueva and the highest I've seen him on any national prospect list.
Also of note is the inclusion of Yoenis Cespedes at 14.
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Skaggs seems high
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
Swihart at 72 is aggressive
I like it.
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
How nice for Villanueva
thought I can’t really see him being higher than Ramirez, personally.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Not really.
Goldstein has him at 77 and Keith Law at 99.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I disagree.
People in here acted like he was an obvious Top 100 guy a few months ago. Now he’s fringy.
Who cares what fans of a team think?
Ramirez is arguably a top 100 prospect. Not everyone agrees… plenty of lists have him as such.
Fans do what fans do… fans do not create helium.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Another argument with match about prospects and their rankings.
I’m noticing a trend. You are very defensive about Rangers prospects.
I hardly think you could say I'm being defensive.
And anywho, matchst1ck is the one who’s come after me. Not the other way around.
And this, btw, is my point
These are hardly arguments indicative of being defensive. He’s disagreeing with you – it happens. You seem to be overly sensitive to disagreement.
This is third time I've had this go around with matchst1ck on this subject.
I’m tired of it. He gets defensive whenever I talk about our board overvaluing certain players, Martin and Ramirez to be specific.
I don’t see why you and snark are treating me in the wrong here. It is odd.
I don't know that you're in the wrong about your opinion
but it seems odd that you want to start something over it. I don’t think anybody else wants to. Spread your opinion far and wide. I don’t see the big deal.
Again
nobody is attacking you. I’m not attacking anybody.
In fact, I think you’re just doing a bit now so kudos if that is the case. Quite funny.
Definitely not a bit.
And you did choose to come after me. As did Snark and matchst1ck. It’s a little bit of mob mentality.
This reminds me of that
scene in goodfellas with the coke and phantom copters and shit…
It's not a matter of "right" or "wrong."
It’s that you seem upset over matchst1ck doing what he does, which only seems to upset you more… I’m suggesting you just let it run off your back. Basically, what ab03 says above.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
The problem is that matchst1ck is being like Josey on this subject.
Every time I bring something like this up he comes after me. And it is for the personal reasons that he listed below.
I don’t like it when people look down their noses at people for being fans. Being a fan is fun… rooting for the Rangers is fun.
And you guys are choosing to come after me about it. I let them run off my back the last few times. What is the problem with being direct or sensitive about it?
What can possible be constructive or beneficial about being upset about it?
Or are you enjoying the last 20 minutes? Have you learned a lot?
What is constructive or beneficial about you responding to me?
Come on. We’re both involved in this conversation.
Again, I'm not "coming after you."
You seem upset. matchst1ck isn’t upset, he’s just doing what he does. I don’t like seeing people upset unless there’s a good reason for it, so I’m suggesting that rather than thinking you’re going to argue matchst1ck into doing something other than what he does, you try not to let it bother you.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I'll admit that I'm more annoyed at you and ab03 chiming in.
He was smarter to jump out of the conversation after he said his business. I should have done the same.
OK.
You seem upset. Snark and ab03 aren’t upset, they’re just doing what they do. I don’t like seeing people upset unless there’s a good reason for it, so I’m suggesting that rather than thinking you’re going to argue Snark and ab03 into doing something other than what they do, you try not to let it bother you.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
You mean, let me understand this --
‘cause, you know maybe it’s me, I’m a little fucked up maybe — but I’m funny how? I mean, funny like I’m a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I’m here to fucking amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
You said I'm funny.
How the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what’s funny!
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
I wonder about you sometimes, Heebs.
You may fold under questioning.
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You did take a Billy Batts-style beating.
So I suppose that’s appropriate.
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Never heard of him.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Feb 21, 2012 7:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
(Also:
really, you can’t rephrase that line effectively. It just doesn’t work. You either have to set up, “Now go home and get your fucking shinebox,” or you should probably just leave it alone.)
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
who the f#@k are the Knutzes?
"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 21, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
No...
I don’t like it when people look down their noses at people for being fans. Being a fan is fun… rooting for the Rangers is fun.
We can all acknowledge that fans have biased views and think their guys are better than they really are.
But I don’t understand the need for people to put them in their place.
Who cares what fans think? Let’s talk about what non-fans think. Plenty of non-fans think Neil Ramirez is a top 100 player.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
You don't like it when people are realistic?
This board very obviously overvalued Martin and Ramirez. I’ve made that argument several times and it is now being shown in this years prospect rankings. The national guys are proving my point.
You guys practically trampled me when I pointed these things out in previous threads. Why is that acceptable behavior but not acknowledging that the national guys are ranking these guys lower than we did here? I want to be excited about prospects too.
Don't be so sensitive.
Plenty of folks here have been “trampled” for holding unpopular opinions about prospects and players. I was not exactly fêted for my opinions on Andrus’ offensive potential, for example.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
You should go after matchst1ck on this subject.
Not me. His sensitivity is what started this mess. He doesn’t approve realism.
The response to "don't be so sensitive"
probably shouldn’t be “why are you coming after me, go after someone else.”
I think it should be something about sand in the vag
and an “-asil” that cures such things.
"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 21, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
(But, when Goyo comes back to this thread,
I do expect to be fêted for using “fêted.”)
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Goyo's use of the English language
I definitely admire the depth of knowledge but it’s just off enough to make me uncomfortable.
he's calling me out
I like it.
I just looked up dessicated
and while I had only seen it used in the science context (dehydrated; dessicants), I guess it has a history of being used as “dull” and “lifeless,” which is pretty much how you were using it. Apologies for that.
it was quite a feat
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
More of a fit, really.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
This thread is dessicating
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
No fat, I'm trying to get fit by moving my feet
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
this fun fest has rules?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
I like charivari
and while I could misuse that as a verb, feted requires fewer contortions, and only one extra move for the diacritic
You could use "burlesque" as a verb.
Not quite the same thing as charivari, but…
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Man... I missed a bunch going to a meeting.
I’m perfectly fine with realism… but that’s not what it feels like to me. To me it feels like some people want to go out of their way to say, “SEE! SEE HOW NOT GOOD THIS PROSPECT IS! YOU SHOULDN’T GET EXCITED. GETTING EXCITED IS WRONG! NOW GO WASH YOUR HANDS!”
Helium is created when national guys give praise to our prospects and we bask in the loving glow of 40-50 year old men expressing their fondness for teenage latin boys.
I personally think that there’s nothing wrong with loving teenage latin boys and your societal rules won’t stop me.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Jason Parks objects to your prematurely aging him.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
He's the same age as me.
But his liver is so much older.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Well you're like a whole actual year older than me.
So you’re nearly dead in my eyes.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
More than 12 months, less than 24 I believe.
I’m April 1978 and Snark is 35ish. I turn 34 in 6 weeks.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Just turned 36 or are you also an April birthday?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Snap. I knew there was a reason I liked you.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Taurus for the win.
But, still: April is the cruellest month.
Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.
Aries is better.
We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11
There is a difference between error in assessment
and a change in value.
OurDailyBears.com
by Prashanth Francis on Feb 21, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
But it segued so nicely into your random musing from a few months ago
about measuring a person’s weight and the fluctuations therein…
…then again, I don’t really remember what the point of that conversation was.
OurDailyBears.com
by Prashanth Francis on Feb 21, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Distributions.
MGL eventually conceded one of my main points, by the way.
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Now you've really lost me.
I don’t think I was ever involved in said conversation. In fact, I was never even here.
That was Erlin.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
ok thanks
Its crazy how his bubble burst just by being traded when its likely he will put up better numbers in his new home as opposed to here
I don't get it.
Are the Rangers becoming like the Yankees? Where people knock their prospects down due to hype from the system?
Shoulder fatigue didn't help his case.
by LiamP on Feb 21, 2012 4:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree that it was helium
if by helium you mean unwarranted excitement. Ramirez made real changes in his habits, stuff and mechanics that were well reported by scouts, organization people and prospect prognosticators. And his results then followed. That is not helium, that’s a legitimate reestablishment of top prospect status from a guy who was thought to have TORP potential by some when drafted.
There is indeed a there there.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
this is true
not really sure how you rate Villanueva over Ramirez
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
FWIW
Lots of talk between Koji and Darvish on twitter. They seem to be getting along really well. Koji seems to be happy that he has 2 other Japanese teammates.
former highschool teammates, i think i read somewhere
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bigstevemath?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 21, 2012 3:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
right
i didn’t mean “teammates” even though that’s what i said…just that they went to the same school.
and i was not remembering things correctly anyways, as others pointed out (it was Koji and Yoshi).
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
That's Yoshi and Koji
They were high school teammates and Yoshi and Darvish were teammates in Nippon professionally.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'd really love for us to keep Koji
If he can be the guy for us he was for Baltimore we’ll arguably have the best bullpen (or very close to it) in the AL
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i want to keep him as well
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
but I've read a lot of places we CAN'T keep him
because our salary is OVER budget. Any chance we can, we just don’t prefer to?
"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 21, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think if he had performed good last year in his time here there would be no talk of moving him
But the combination of his poor performance here last year, his stated uneasiness about pitching here (or anywhere other than Baltimore really), and his salary when we are currently over budget all go into it.
4 million for a middle reliever is a luxury. If that guy is lights out its easier to justify the expense. If the guy is bad (bad luck or not) and unhappy he easily becomes a likely trade candidate
And more
"He’s practicing it," Holland said. "He said, ‘Please teach me English.’ I told him I’m not the best guy to be teaching English. We were joking. He was getting a feel for it.
"He wants to learn it. That’s a pretty neat thing. He’s interacting with us. He’s not standoffish. He’s coming right with us. He’s a normal person. It won’t be hard for him to fit right in chemistry-wise."
you can tell from his posture alone
it’s going to be a while before he’s Americanized. And Texanized…like that article said.
"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
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Jay (Illinois): Can you give us 10 names that just missed the top 100? Thanks!
Jim Callis: Giants C Tommy Joseph was No. 100 until Yoenis Cespedes signed. Others who just missed, in no particular order: Cardinals RHP Lance Lynn, Astros SS Jonathan Villar, Rangers RHP Neil Ramirez, Marlins OF Marcell Ozuna, Royals RHP Kelvin Herrera, Nationals RHP Alex Meyer, Padres C Austin Hedges, Yankees RHP Jose Campos, Pirates RHP Luis Heredia.
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
NeRaaaaa
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 21, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
BA considers Darvish a prospect
So that’s SIX Ranger prospects.. How has no one called this out yet?
I don't know what you're talking about.
[whistles non-chalantly]
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
by Brad on Feb 21, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and I'm sure Darvish
just pushed Alfaro out of the top 100. At least that’s how I’ll see it, so definitely six
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
7 then damnit
and I’ll amend to say NeRa then 8 for Alfaro
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Interesting to have Villanueva so high
I like it, but I’m more than a little surprised by it
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Calling all lefties.
#Indians trade LHP Kelvin De La Cruz to Texas. Was DFA’d to make room for Casey Kotchman.
wow
I totally looked him up in the ’11 prospect guide when the “destined to be traded” pre-trade note came across MLBTR today thinking it c/b TX. Sounds like the next Kirkman.
I'm down with that.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
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by ghtd36 on Feb 21, 2012 3:14 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Mike Olt does not approve of the attention
In fact, he emailed BA to ask them to swap him out for NeRam. So NeRam is now #44.
"I would have shot myself in the foot to stay in Texas." -- C.J. Wilson, 12/8/2011
Mike olt
Laughs at the fact that you think he would dare email somebody to inform them that they were wrong, despite the fact that they might be. Mike olt will write all but 43 prospects in the game and apologize for showing off and give them a solid word of encouragement.
Just don't try too hard. - iorange555
by phina on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
AWESOME
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From ESPN.com
Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said Tuesday that he isn’t expecting to make some big moves any time soon. Daniels was asked about reliever Koji Uehara, who has heard his name swirling around trade talk the past week. The GM said Uehara is “a Texas Ranger” and that nothing was imminent. “This is the group we’re expecting to go forward with,” said Daniels about the 59 players on the roster. "Things can change. Every spring there are moves here and there, but we’re ready to go with this group.
Sounds good to me. Kirkman for the token lefty.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
interesting...
Uehara said on Sunday that he is hoping to hear something more concrete about his future, and Daniels said that could be achieved by speaking to manager Ron Washington.
Seems sort of like the tide is turning toward Koji sticking around...
and I am glad for that.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
If the reporter got the gist right
JD seems to be saying that while you lost the faith of your manager it is not too late. Is that how you read it?
Yeah...
is sounds like either some grievances need to be aired or JD is just simply saying, “Go ask your manager so he can tell you that you’re one of his set up guys.”
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Doo doo
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