Friday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 3, 2012 8:28 AM CST
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PrintSo, hey, some news to break the boredom and monotony of the late offseason doldrums...
Josh Hamilton, as everyone knows by now, had a relapse with alcohol this week, reportedly being seen at Sherlock's consuming alcohol. Ian Kinsler reportedly came out to the bar to talk to Josh and try to get him to go home.
I don't know that I have anything meaningful to add to this story. Hamilton is an addict. His struggle with sobriety is ongoing, and this is something that shouldn't really shock anyone. I do think it is interesting that it happened now, when the team and Hamilton have been engaged in contract negotiations with a self-imposed deadline looming, and there is a part of me that wonders if the stress of the negotiations contributed to this incident. It also seems to make it less likely that a deal gets done before spring training starts, meaning that Josh Hamilton would be a free agent after the season.
Its also interesting that this relapse, like his other publicly-acknowledged one in 2009, took place in January, towards the end of the offseason. Hamilton has said that his use of cocaine started when he was sidelined with an injury. Maybe an "accountability partner" is more of a need during the offseason than when Hamilton is playing.
And for those who are acting like this is being blown out of proportion and it is no big deal, here's a quote from Josh that is in the S-T's piece this morning:
"I wasn't mentally fit to go in there, spiritually fit, and it just crossed my mind, 'Can I have a drink?' And, obviously, I can't," Hamilton said Aug. 8, 2009. "That was very well reinforced, and I can honestly say since that night I have not even had a thought of trying another one."
Josh said then, has said repeatedly, he can't have a drink because of his sobriety issues. That's what makes this a big deal.
Lots of coverage on the Hamilton situation this morning, of course.
Jeff Wilson has a story in the S-T about Hamilton here.
Richard Durrett writes about it here.
Anthony Andro has a story on it here.
T.R. Sullivan's piece is here.
Randy Galloway has an interesting column on the Hamilton situation, saying that Hamilton was apparently having significantly more than just a drink or two in this latest episode, and that Hamilton owes the Rangers a great deal more than he owes the union (who he's repeatedly stated he feels an obligation to, in these latest contract negotiations).
Galloway says that Hamilton has been asking for 6 years, $120 million -- remember, the Jayson Werth contract we've been assuming is a benchmark is 7 years, $126 million -- but that if he were in charge of the Rangers, he wouldn't give Hamilton more than a one year, $20 million deal at this point.
In non-Hamilton news, Wilson writes that while the Rangers are contemplating trading for Koji Uehara and re-signing Mike Gonzalez, it appears unlikely that the team will sign Roy Oswalt.
Durrett looks at the Rangers bench situation for 2012.
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Good point about needing accountability in the offseason
During the season he has things to focus on every day, the offseason not so much. When he retires he’s going to need to find something important to him to do every day. So sad.
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Coaching?
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 8:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually
I think something more like mentoring addicts would be better. It would be an every day reminder of the stakes.
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by t ball on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was thinking that he could just continue
his speaking engagements and stuff. But, at some point he loses credibility due to his relapses.
I think every addict will have relapses
We just get to know about Hambone’s better because he’s an MLB superstar. I don’t think him having relapses will in itself result in the loss of his credibility. If he can get over it and get back on the right track again, that is.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 3, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think every addict will have relapses
That’s an awfully broad brush that you’re painting with.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
He's right though
a large percentage of addicts are going to relapse several times in their lives.
There’s a massive difference between the word “every” and a large percentage.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
9/10
of addicts will undergo at least a minor relapse, its not every addict but its damn close. It sounds like as far as relapses go its a minor one. Hopefully he gets through this.
My grandfather (a recovering alcoholic) and I have talked about this before.
He’s been a part of several groups over the last 25 years since he got sober. He put a rough estimate of 30-40% on how many in his groups that had experienced at least one relapse.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Major relapses
are averaged at about that range, minor relapses are sort of what Josh had, a few drinks (few too many none the less)
just had
that incident 3 years ago was a big one
Major or minor,
the way I understand it, your sobriety only goes back to your last drink.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
The word “every” is what I’m hanging on. Not “every” addict has relapses, maybe a large percentage but EVERY is not accurate.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you for clarifying
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So you took what he said literally?
I think you were the only one that did so.
by Pat MacGroin on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I hope that no one calls this "a blessing in disguise"
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 8:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
There were already some "at least this means we won't overpay him" comments in last night's post
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yes really.
We’re talking about a guy’s life here. That’s more important than a contract negotiation.
If you can’t see that, you’re a douche.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is a Rangers/baseball blog
Not a Alcoholics Anonymous blog
While Josh’s story touches pretty much all Ranger fans we all still here are fans of the team. So if this incident keeps the club from spending foolish amounts of money on a high risk person then yes it is a blessing in disguise TO THE TEAM.
I think people took those comments as attacks on Josh when they weren’t
yeah
My thinking is, honestly its probably not really a big deal that he had a drink.
But theres tons of people out there with addiction that dont need someone following them around to make sure they dont drink/do drugs.
And do you really want your team giving a long term 20/mil a year contract to someone who does and cant keep away from the temptation alone?
It’s just being realistic
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I think it’s more along the lines that if he gets a drink, he may have two or three…if he gets drunk he may go get some drugs, fail his weekly test, and be out of baseball.
yep
seems like this time he was able to have a couple drinks, call a teammate and get out of this with (hopefully) just a PR hit. What about next time?
I wonder how many drinks is a few?
I also wonder how often he has a drink when no ones looking in the privacy of his own home or another venue that is no so public. Maybe he doesn’t, but it gets me to wondering why would he go into a public bar knowing he is a huge deal around the DFW. Granted it was Monday night, just seems like careless judgement.
Well
I am a 2nd year in a clinical psych doctorate program. I work in an inpatient psych ward and in a substance abuse facility. But without knowing the individual, it doesnt mean shit. See: Dr. Drew spouting off about Casey Anthony
"He's got one of those arms that could throw a marshmallow through a battleship."
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is there a term for the type of behavior
where someone does something in public knowing that it will draw attention to them? I mean Josh’s type of behavior and not someone streaking.
histrionic
It is a descriptor (wrongly) that is typically only attributed to women.
"He's got one of those arms that could throw a marshmallow through a battleship."
- Anonymous Baseball Scout on Neftali Feliz
but
i wouldnt ascribe that to him. That and any type of behavior would have to be pervasive throughout his many aspects of his life. Again, no way to know when we dont know the guy.
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Hasn’t Josh himself said, and I’ve heard it plenty of times in AA meetings that I’ve been in, “one drink is too many and 12 is not enough.”
There’s no such thing as responsible drinking for an acoholic/addict.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Ricky Williams, but a much deeper pit.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 9:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Weed...
doesn’t put you in a ditch. Leave Ricky out of this.
hes an herbalist not an addict
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No need to raise a fucking banner.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, it just doesn't matter right now.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Seriously, the talk lately has been about 1. Oswalt and 2. Hamilton negotiations. I don’t get how this is irrelevant to the situation. And I’m pretty sure we all feel for Josh when we say we wish him the best in this addiction. But, the fact is is that this does affect contract negotiations to an extent. So to say that this is premature discussion at an inappropriate time is ridiculous. If I was his wife, maybe it would be ridiculous. I’m a fan of the team and not Hamilton’s family. Do people think there should be a moment of silence across SBNation every time someone fuels their addiction?
Hey Hamilton died last night due to overdose.
Whew. That saved the team some big bucks. (/FUCKING SARCASM FONT)
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It's about priorities.
I don’t think anyone on this blog has as much interest in the Rangers roster, finances and contract negotiations than JD does.
Do you think JDs initial response to hearing about this was happiness because it improves his negotiating position? I certainly hope not.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
JD is a member of the Rangers so a persons, whether its employee or player, health is utmost to those people
We are not members of the Rangers. We are fans and so while its terrible to hear about a person possibly relapsing if that means we dont throw 100+ million dollars at him then as a fan I am happy even though I also care about Hamilton the person
I don't think anyone here has the personal relationship with Josh Hamilton than JD does.
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Aren't
You the douche that dogged on the guy for falling over the rail? That tells me everything I need to know about you.
by Scott5 on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yup
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Of course it affects his contract negotiation
There’s a time and a place to discuss things. Personally I think it’s inappropriate and insensitive to jump to a discussion of how happy you are that his relapse might mean the Rangers get him for less money minutes after the story breaks.
Would you discuss how much money you stand to inherit immediately after your rich grandfather died?
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
Contract negotiation is one of the first things that popped into my head when I saw the news. I’m pretty sure that was the case for a lot of people here. We just don’t write it in words because this isn’t the appropriate time for it.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 3, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is happy about this.
As others have said, we don’t have a personal stake in this. It would be inappropriate for someone to contact him in some way and say “you really fuck yourself now.” Discussing the ramifications of his actions is perfectly legitimate.
Yeah this is what im talking about
Saying its a blessing in disguise is not saying we are happy he relapsed.
But talking about how this relapse could save the team from putting itself in a bad financial spot is perfectly fine IMO
Totally different situation
“Would you discuss how much money you stand to inherit immediately after your rich grandfather died?” Bad analogy….
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by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
It's absolutely a blessing in disguise
If this incident causes Josh to draw even closer to his family and network of support.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The wasn't the blessing in disguise that I meant
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know, but the opportunity to skew your words was hard to resist.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I see how it is
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
:D
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sigh
I spent half of last night tracking the Hamilton story while hoping against hope information wouldn’t manifest — or that it would be somewhat benign.
I hate journalism sometimes.
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let's just keep Koji
i don’t get the movement to get rid of him when his value is low.
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If he was a temperamental pony, he would have been shot by now
We need to slap a saddle on him before we talk trades.
Or just make him watch The Human Centipede and threaten to connect him to Ogando and Hamburger.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 8:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
a recommended post
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
and a rec.
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"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
That depends..
IF I was a gambling man, I’d go with Koji. If I wanted consistency (at least from what we have seen), Gonzalez
The Rangers wear white pants.
Koji tends to soil his pants.
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"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I doubt Gonzalez makes 4M
with what Cordero and Madson had to settle on
Either way, I don’t see why we couldn’t add him while keeping Uehara. Why is this an either/or?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
could be they may want a 2nd lefty in the pen
one that has options available and you wouldn’t care if you had to send him down.
as our 'pen stands now
Nathan, Adams, Uehara, Ogando (most likely), Feldman, Lowe (no options remaining), Then we have room for one lefty. I suppose you could trade Uehara, but you would be downgrading your bullpen in favor of a lefty like Kirkman or Ross.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
What about the part where he sucked here last year and supposedly wants to go back to Baltimore?
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what else you gonna do? just trade him when his value is low?
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
true...but i say keep him unless he's bringing the clubhouse down which I highly doubt
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
thats another story....but why are we writing him off before spring training starts?
an effective Koji is an asset to this team.
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Well all we have to go on thus far is his performance while here last year
Which, while he put up some sexy K numbers, its hard to argue he didn’t hurt the club.
To be fair, it was a pretty small sample
I think he has a chance to turn it around this season.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 3, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
exactly....give the guy a shot...his track record is pretty damn good
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Absolutely
But if on top of the poor on field performance there is off the field issues as well, like not being happy in Texas, missing family, etc, then I think it may make sense to trade him even if you dont get full value back in return.
And we dont know what the Rangers finances are if we can afford a 4 million dollar LOOGY like Gonzalez or if we would have to scrape the bottom of the barrel. If trading Koji means we can get a quality LOOGY with that money that also plays into the decision
I think this issue about him not being happy here is being a bit blown out of proportion
Though I think I would choose a decent LOOGY over Koji if I were presented with that choice.
Speaking of which, why haven’t we gotten a LOOGY yet?
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
No
All we have to go on is what he’s done throughout his career.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 3, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
That's crazy talk.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Why would we ignore the rest of his career?
That’s absurd.
by Pat MacGroin on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
25% FB/HR dawg.
Other than that, he was a beast.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
If the O's would take back his salary and give us a decent prospect I would trade him
Use that money to sign our LOOGY
Uehara is great at getting lefties out
this doesn’t make sense from a team standpoint. you reduce the flexibility of the bullpen. why not just add a loogy without trading Uehara
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I had the same thought re: this coinciding with the negotiations.
I really hope he gets better. He’s obviously a good dude with some tough demons.
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Hamilton will get one of the loudest standing ovations ever at the ballpark.
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM CST reply actions
I stand behind the guy...
still look up to him as a guy and athlete.
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
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by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
addiction is a bitch.....I have no frame of reference because I don't have that problem
Hope everything is ok for the guy
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unfortunately I do
My dad, and Several uncles have struggled , and continue to struggle with Alcoholism. I have been able to keep from following them, though more do to the fact that I don’t really care much for the taste or smell of Alchohol…
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-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
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by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 3, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
sucks sorry bro
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i definitely have a problem
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
An A's fan I know was burying him on Facebook.
How horrible of a human being he is for having had alcoholic beverages last night.
She’s a good girl, but I can’t be friends with her on Facebook anymore.
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No, beligerantly hateful on Facebook.
This was not a first offense.
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You seem to have some of the most ire-inspiring FB friends
And they always seem to be girls
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
She's otherwise fine.
We used to actually write a blog together and had hours of pleasant conversations on AIM.
But her hatred of the Rangers, willingness to adopt the Giants as a THIRD team, and absolute vitriol towards Josh has gotten over the top recently. Also, she and I are pretty close politically, but she spends a ton of time bashing those who aren’t; which easily the worst part of politics. I agree with most of what she says, I just don’t like how she uses it as venom to spew on everyone who doesn’t.
Most idiots who I eventually unfriend I never liked that much, anyway. I just feel bad about declining friend requests.
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I've done that, too.
But for people I’m unsure on. Like a friend’s significant other who I don’t want to be friends with, but I don’t want to offend my friend.
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Nope, one person did.
“Oh shoot, I forgot. I’ll accept him now.”
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Eventually I unfriended him and there was no follow up on that.
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Now there is something I wouldn't do
follow up with somebody about why they didn’t friend me on facebook
im going to applaud him while i suck down a beer
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
oh at least
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
90%
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
oh at least
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully you won't be snorting coke.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
wife wont let me
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
You're not married
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
we live together, we're getting married next month,
i might as well be
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Which is why you should spend as much time in the next month hanging out with people like me drinking beers.
Everyone wins!
i went out to a bar last night with some buds
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
so there ya go.
i’m at bars, you just are asleep
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
24/7
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
No but for real.
I was exhausted last night. But, if you’d have wanted me to come meet you for a beer, I’d have rallied. Because I’m awesome.
well, it wasnt like i was in dallas
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
They don't call them bars in Southlake.
Bars are beneath them.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
no you're not
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I was messing with you
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are probably right
But why? I am not saying he shouldn’t, but I still have a hard time with why some guys royally mess up their lives and get crucified for it forever while others are treated as heroes. Or hell, the worst some guys do is say something like "I’m taking my talents to South Beach" or "Me and 24 kids" and they become the most hated person in sports.
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yeah he's very popular
nothing to do with this whole situation though
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I have a question
has it been confirmed that he was drinking Alcohol?
has someone come forward and said, “yes it was an alcoholic drink and Hamilton had several of them” type thing?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
I doubt this would have any buz, no pun intended
If he was just sipping an undetermined drink. It’s pretty much a sure thing it was alcohol.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 8:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think if he wasn't drinking alcohol there would have been much more denials by now
Hell the Kinsler question got sorted out in a short amount of time so I think if he wasn’t drinking alcohol I think that would have been reported by now
I've seen the effects of alcoholism first hand throught my life
The news isn’t that shocking to me. I’ve seen people that have been sober for six to seven years slip up once and go back down into chaos. People I’ve loved so deeply that have turned their backs away and gone back to the bottle.
The only thing I can think right now is Hamilton’s family. It’s tough for the alcoholic; it’s three times tougher for the spouse and kids. I keep his whole family in my prayers, because they all need them.
Unless there are ongoing episodes we don't know about regarding Josh that the team is aware of...
this shouldn’t change his price too much although knowing he’s asked for 6/120, I’d go from the 6/126 I mentioned to 5/105 (I was stuck between the two and the relapse tips it back to 5 years).
Josh the baseball player is still one of the most talented and charismatic players in the sport….and, to quote Coach TomFoolery, “We need him.”
Built into the contract are stiff penalties …not sure what those penalties are…maybe the first relapse after signing the contract knocks $ 10 million off the 5th year. Second relapse voids the last two years of the deal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Josh has been here 4 years now
And has had 2 relapses already and now the person who was his “accountability partner” is gone.
I dont see anyway the Rangers guarantee him 5+ years especially at that price. The risk is just too great. And, granted im no lawyer, I doubt there is anyway you could get a contract done that says anything about not being able to drink while not on the job.
We don't know
How many relapses he’s had.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
by t ball on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
And we don't know how serious this relapse is.
It could be a one day thing. He could be back with his family and sober. We just don’t know. The Rangers will try to sort this out. For now the issue is not the contract, but will be be able to be sober and competing in Spring Training. This story is early, and it may not be bad, or it may get worse. We just don’t know right now.
Oh, about 35,000
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by AfterSchoolSpecial on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
So many red flags.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
I think he would be wise to do that.
One way or another the Rangers will pay him if he is sober and healthy. He badly kneeds his support system, his family, church, whatever it happens to be. If he doesn’t have it, he won’t make it through a long term contract. $20 million a year is not as important as him being able to consistantly show up for work, and perform as he has, and if he isn’t able to do that, than he won’t complete the contract no matter how large it is.
Garza avoids arbitration with the Cubs
He will earn $9.5M for 2012 season
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/cubs-garza-avoid-arbitration.html#disqus_thread
thank god we didn't make a trade for him
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The biggest quesiton I have:
If you witnessed this event, of all the local journalists, you call….Gerry Fraley? WTF.
imagine if he played for the yankees
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Weird
I would have called GoET and AJM.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Since he never shows up anywhere...
I’m not convinced AJM is a real person. The only person on this board that has experience making bad problems (like 5 dead hookers) go away is probably dirkatron, but nobody knows how to reach him.
He shows up at the ballpark every once in awhile....
trying to get Ben to drop him off at an entrance gate.
by Philar on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I dislike most of his opinions
Fraley’s a good journalist. He’s got contacts, resources and knows how to approach a story.
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I agree with half of this.
He has contacts and resources. He’s not a good jouranlist and has an awful approach to stories – mostly he starts all stories with his own bias. It’s annoying.
Fine
he is good at finding information. Should have clarified.
It’s tough to define things in this medium.
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I'd advise you to look at juuuuuust about anyone other than him and Galloway if you want an example of good journalism in the area.
The fact of the matter, though, is that those two are probably the most connected with the most resources, like you said, so we tolerate their horseshit stories.
that's the way it works
this is a business. Outlets, papers especially, will do anything for subscriptions/page hits/viewers/metered listens.
Nobody gets anywhere with generic AP-style writeups. All you can do is hope people retain some kind of moral compass when they tell their stories.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
GF is extremely bitter and a huge beating
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'd call Aqua
Everyone wouldnthink thy it’s super weird that the news is coming from a new-ish Baylor Blog.
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If your post is this slurred, I can only imagine the phone call.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hah, that would be amusing.
Kind of like years ago when the pictures of Matt Leinart in this hot tub were broken by The Dirty.com, and everyone was like, “that’s a real website?”
Would think that*
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Galloway with some strong words this morning... Wonder how much of that was influenced by Nolan's thoughts.
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It's not often I agree with Galloway, but today I did.
by motorcyclegreggo on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
It's a good column and strongly worded.
So…..I thought Kinsler talked Josh into leaving the bar and going with him, not true?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I thought so
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
I thought so
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
i thought so
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
I sought hoes.
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My 7-year old and I were playing a homophone spelling game.
I threw out nose/knows.
He threw out hose/hoes.
He’s going to be trouble.
i bought yo
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Addictions
Unfortunately for Josh, he’s surrounded by peers who party A LOT and never have to deal with this stuff. In that way, I feel for him. It has to be hard to know that you’re one of the best players in the MLB, but, you’re also tagged as an intense addict. Mickey Mantle’s recent bio displayed a lot of these same issues. I hope Josh doesn’t buckle under the pressure that mounts. I wish him well.
"It's incredibly hard." - Ronald Washington
ive heard that the average baseball player is a douche who drives a truck and plays golf
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
If you are in that bar when he comes in????
As a fan who knows his situation do you say anything to him? Do you try to stop him, or do you mind your business and just watch
i am buying him drinks all night as a thank you for kicking ass on the field
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
he's a grown ass man, let him do what he wants
what’s it fucking matter if a grown up goes to a bar, gets drunk as fuck, and then calls a friend for a ride home?
that’s fucking responsible
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Because the grown ass man
Is an alcoholic.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and?
if you call for a ride home, it’s like drinking at home
fuck it
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
You’re a douche who obviously has had no experience with alcoholism and had never watched it destroy lives.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
obviosuly you dont know me
you could call me an alcoholic, and you would probably be right
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
And what if the scenario was altered a little.
What if it was a regular everyday joe who was an alcoholic. What do you do then?
If it was someone I knew
Who was sober previously and relapsing? I’d do the same thing.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
buy him a beer and discuss it
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Personally
I would try to stop him. He might punch me in the face, but it’s the right thing to do. No different than if I had a friend who was an alcoholic who I saw in a bar.
A more interesting question is what would have happened had the bar refused to serve him?
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
bars have the right to refuse service
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I highly doubt you would actually try and stop him
Its easy to say that or type it on a message board but if the situation presented itself in real life I highly doubt you would tell Josh Hamilton to stop
People keep saying this
Why do you think so? Because the person would be physically afraid of Josh or because you think people generally mind their own business?
Because people generally mind their own business
And they are generally so “star struck” that thinking about that persons personal issues does not come up.
Its like women with famous actors and stuff. They may know they are married and say “i’ll never sleep with a married man” but if they start getting hit on all that seems to go right out the window.
This disproves your point (and it's probably not true)
But star struck ladies who are married but end up sleeping with actors are doing the opposite of minding their own business
If a chick is at a bar and some famous actor/athlete walks in and starts hitting on them
They were minding their own business.
In Josh’s case im sure people would either let him be while watching him most of the night in a sort of awe type way or they will approach him asking for autographs and such.
I highly doubt someone would go up to him and try and act like his sponser or new accountability coach right then and there
I might be a little star struck
But I’ve always felt like famous people are still just people. I’ve met Hamilton before and was able to talk to him coherently and not giggle like a school girl.
He’s just a man with addiction problems. I would not be afraid to talk to him.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've been star struck to not knowing what to say twice.
Tony Baxter
Michael Young
But that was in a setting where I wasn’t aware I was going to meet them, and otherwise focused on work.
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You know
I get that it’d be a very hard thing for someone to do. But why are you aggressively denying that anybody on this board would do it? You can’t imagine that there is one person on earth that would have the courage to speak their mind?
People have the courage to go fight in wars willingly. It seems like having the courage to go up to a stranger and say something when the threat of physical harm is quite low (really non-existent) isn’t a big deal.
People have the guts to walk up to R. Kelly in the middle of a theme park and ask him to pee on them.
MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
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That is pretty awesome
but oddly I wonder if it isn’t easier to lob that shot then it is to actually engage Hamilton in a serious conversation
I assume it is.
I was still stunned when his guide told me.
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It has nothing to do with the threat of physical harm
I doubt there would be any anyway.
Its putting yourself so deep into a strangers life that I have a hard time believing people would do. Out in public no less where most likely hes not just sitting alone. We saw tweets or something last night that chicks were grabbing his ass and so I doubt he was just sitting at the bar alone with a drink in front of him.
I dont believe anyone would go up and fight their way through whatever crowd is around him and try and play sponser to him right then and there
It's just odd that you refuse to believe that ANYBODY would be capable of this
There are people that are like that, right? You do acknowledge that some people exist that don’t do what “the masses” would do.
Anyway, I explained above. He isn’t a stranger. As weird as this whole thing is, I have invested a lot of myself in his life and I never have any control over what he does. This would be the only time I could actually control something about it. I don’t think I would sit idly by. I would do something.
Fine
You believe you would do it and you have some sort of magical bond with Josh because you are such a huge fan.
I dont believe anyone on here would do it because no one has the personal relationship with Josh that I believe is needed to actually do something like that. Kinsler has that type of relationship as his teammate and thats why he was able to go get him out of it.
Joe Blow whos at Sherlocks on a Monday and probably been drinking themself going up to a professional athlete they only know as a player for their favorite team isn’t going to have that success.
Wait
so do you really believe that nobody has the courage to go up to any professional athlete ever? Because you realize that happens all the time, right?
Pretty much every day of their lives if they're Josh Hamilton famous.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Courage to go up and put yourself deep into their personal life
Thats totally different than going up and asking for a autograph or something.
And like I said when there are others around him who are not discouraging his behavior it would make it that much tougher IMO to get through to him if you did in fact have the balls to go and try and be his sponser
No one knows for certain how they'd respond.
But with alcoholism having ravaged my own family, I would hope I’d have the courage to at least hand him some kind of note or something, asking him if there was anything I could do to help him.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I believe that you would do it.
I just don’t think anyone would be successful. I personally wouldn’t do it because I really don’t like approaching celebrities. I’m a stranger to them and I don’t like crossing that barrier and interrupting their lives. I saw how much most of them seemed to dislike it back when I worked in bars.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Yes.
I’d have more time to sort my thoughts on that than I did with those two, though.
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And I ackowledged -- now that I see where you're going with this -- that I probably would not have done it.
But I would have thought long and hard about doing exactly what Ab03 said, and have wanted to.
I know for a fact there are people with less anxiety here than I’ve got, and I’ll bet there are plenty that would have been able to put one foot in front of the other and do what I was only thinking about.
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Yeah
nobody is saying it wouldn’t be difficult. But at the point you admit that everybody is having the same thoughts (and a lot of us would be), I don’t see why it would be so hard to think that someone would actually act on it. We’re not talking about putting yourself in harms way. We’re not talking about risking anything of yourself. We are talking about making a speech. Saying three lines. How hard would that be?
Well I was not there
So I can’t say with 100% confidence but I would say its 95% I would try to talk him out of it. If he didn’t listen I would then call a guy I know who is a leader at his church and see if the pastor could come to the bar.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah ok
whatever you say bud
Sounds to me like you would never be in the situation because you probably wouldn’t be at the bar in the first place to see him there
What makes you say that?
Are you imagining me as a tea totaling Bible thumper?? Lol
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
asked the same question last night
most feel they would like to do something but it is not their place to do anything
I leave him alone
Just like I leave any famous person alone that I see in public unless they are there specifically for promoting something.
"A lot of people may not know this, but I happen to be quite famous." - Sam "MayDay" Malone
hes a grown man responsible for himself
i do not know him personally, so i would not say a word to him.
I would never go up to someone who is essentially a stranger and tell them they shouldnt be drinking
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Apparently I am in a really small minority, but here's why I would do something
Honest reason – I am self interested. I don’t spend 22 hours a day on a Rangers board because I have a passing interest in the Rangers. If I saw one of the best players on the team potentially jeopardizing his chances of being awesome this year, I am going to try to stop it.
What I’d tell him: Excuse me. It’s none of my business but I know who you are and I know your story. You’ve gone out of your way to make your recovery very public. As such, I think it’s my obligation to help you in that recovery. I don’t think you should be here. I’ll drive you home. I’ll call someone to take you home. I’ll take you literally anywhere else but here. But I am not going to let you have this next drink.
And I would be scared shitless and it might be the bravest thing I’ve ever done in my life. But fuck, it’s the Rangers. If I can’t do that much, why am I on this fucking board checking Rangers news at 12:30a.m on a random Thursday night in February?
I think I'd think the same thing in my head. . .
. . . and sit there even more scared shitless.
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Incidentally, I've gotten a tad braver now that I'm married
I start to think that now that I have someone else I feel responsible for, I need to act on the things I feel like I am supposed to do. This has manifested itself in very small things, like seeing if a homeless person lying on the street is ok, but I do feel a tad more brave.
by ab03 on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably exactly how I would be too
Id want to, but I’m not sure Im that courageous.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Yep I agree
Perseverance isn't just the willingness to work hard. It's that, plus the willingness to be stubborn about your own belief in yourself."
---Merlin Olsen
Something else that would affect my thinking
I am very ageist. I feel like because we are the same high school class, I should be able to talk to him like that. If he was younger, I feel like I’d have even more right to talk to him like that.
The above is completely irrational but just saying it’s something else that would probably lead me to go say something.
If he showed up at the brewery tour
there is no way he’d get a drop as long as I was there.
by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I'm wondering why the waitstaff didn't get to that
I mean, I guess I’m surprised that either people in Arlington wouldn’t recognize Josh and know his story (and talk him out of drinking in one way or another) or be so stupid/evil to recognize him and give him alcohol anyway.
But that’s my perspective.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
75 and Park
According to CBS11
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Which is 3 miles from Ian's house
And no where near Keller. Why was he in that area to begin with???
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
maybe he was shopping at northpark
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
oh gosh he wasn't sagging his pants was he?
That is frowned upon in that establishment.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
Without his wife? There aren't malls in Keller? Ft. Worth?
Why was he alone?
My theory: He was hanging out with Kins and driving home passes bar and succombs to temptation. Texts Kins after he’s had a few.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Umm...
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Well I thought first of all that 75 and Park was up further
But still Hamilton lives in Westlake which, from Kins’ house would mean he was taking the long way home.
He probably would have gone up the DNT to 635 or taken Loop 12 over to 114 and up to his house
75 and park lane
Park is in plano
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Plano is stupid.
Plano Parkway, Park and Parker all in a row.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
try giving someone from plano directions to a place on park lane
chances are they think you mean park, they are so planocentric
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Little Elm centric?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
no one is litleelm centric
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
that might be worse than planocentric
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I was going to go with that first...
But I actually work with like 7 people who live in Little Elm (I work at Legacy and the Tollway) and the stream of updates like, “We got our first stop light today!” and “There’s now two gas stations!” are ultra exciting.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
do they have more than one main road in and out yet?
legacy and tollway, pretty easy to narrow down the company
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It is?
There’s offices with small companies, bars, restaurants, a movie theater, and just up the street, there’s EDS, Frito Lay and JC Penny…
well most tech type people would be ads(aka HP)/jcp/fritolay
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
ahhh I see
The ‘Lane’ is key. Being so Dallas centric I didn’t even think that.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
what if he was shopping for a gift for his wife
and the store in that mall was the closest
arguing he shouldnt have been in that area is silly
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I'm not arguing he shouldn't be there
or wasn’t there for that purpose. I want to know why he was over there.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
doesnt matter why he was there
if he was going to drink he would do it just as easy in arlington , etc
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
So I am not allowed to be curious
got it.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
just saying it doesnt matter
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
No malls in Keller.
Shopping centers yes, no malls though.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
There is no mall on Heritage Trace.
There is Alliance Town Center. That’s about equal distance from Southlake Town Center from Keller depending on what part you are in. Neither are malls though in the sense that Northpark is a mall.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
theres always six flags mall
but you might get jacked there
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
This is around 4 levels of hearsay
but I’ve heard that he and Kins were at buca de depo earlier in the evening.
Take that for what it’s worth (which is, legally speaking, nothing)
Makes sense
Met for dinner. Josh comes to Dallas. And when he leaves he goes across 75 to the bar instead of getting on the highway and going home.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Buca De Peppo or whatever the hell is very close to Sherlocks...other side of 75.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
You have a knack
When you agree or someone agrees with you that you repeat what was just said…
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Copy and paste
doesn’t allow for editing.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't this the time of year when you go to the LSB Town Square,
douse yourself with gasoline and light a match?
Then you come back, dabbing your eyes and sniffing, “I don’t like the person I’ve become on LSB.”
Douche!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
suck my balls
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Still, Dallas itself.
He’s kind of a big deal down here.
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
I can kind of see why the bar/waitstaff didn't do anything
They are the place that served Hamilton alcohol. I think being in that moment, they would just be really happy to be able to drink with him.
Oh – that’s another thing. If I had 2 drinks in my, much more likely to say something. They don’t call it liquid courage for nothing
I would have bought him an O'Douls
And had a waitress bring it over to him. Maybe he’d get the hint.
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
by ILikePizza on Feb 3, 2012 10:03 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
its what beer drinkers drink when theyre not drinking beer
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Only if he drinks the O'Douls
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
by ILikePizza on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t know that I’d have the stones to go over and try to stop him from drinking but I would like to think I’d at least walk up to him and say that I really liked his book or that I know people, myself included, who have been inspired by his story.
Maybe that’s enough for him to get up and leave, maybe it’s not.
Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!
by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm, not a bad strategy
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
Also
if you’re at the bar with people, how hard is it to marshall your group to go up there together. Always strength in numbers, more courage in the mob mentality. I think every one of my group of friends would go up there with me if I explained the situation.
This.
I would have done it if I could have gotten a friend or two to back me up.
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I'm highly surprised
that no one has said the obvious, that they wouldn’t “try to stop him” in a forceful way.
But instead just walk up to him and say he is still in their prayers. That would likely have a much bigger impact and it’s not like you’re getting all up in their business.
by RyanBlueThunder on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I'd probably try to make eye contact with him and stare at him in a stern, disapproving matter. Maybe shake my head every so slightly and furrow my eyebrows.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
ugh, manner*
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
In all honesty..
If someone told me I could never have another alcoholic drink for the duration of my life.. I’d fail miserably.. Love me some alcohol and I cannot even imagine what it is like coming from an alcoholic.
As an addict and in AA myself,
This is why “one day at a time” is so important. I can’t say where I’ll be in 10 years, but I’m not drinking today. That’s how you have to look at it.
by TheIncredibleHulse on Feb 3, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Just do the next right thing, ask God to keep you sober today. That’s all we can ask for.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Despite the absurdity of Prince's contract,
I wonder if there is slight non-buyers remorse this morning amongst the front office
by motorcyclegreggo on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions
I don't think so
9y/$214M for an overweight player. No remorse for not doing that.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 3, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
no fucking way the Rangers regret not giving Prince that deal
its an insane stupid contract by Detroit
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
This is what I was getting at. Maybe if they had offered 7 for 175 a month ago Prince would have taken it.
I would be on board with that deal.
by motorcyclegreggo on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
I guess it's possible
especially if it really was the VMart injury that caused the Tigers to get into it
Hope not.
There sure isn’t any with me.
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I get that Josh Hamilton shouldn't have alcohol, because he can't handle it.
But the reactions I saw on the interwebs last night (not necessarily from any LSBers) seemed way out of proportion, unless I really just don’t get it. It seems like he went to the bar and had a few. He shouldn’t have, but that also doesn’t mean it became a problem. Plenty of other players do that and we don’t use words like “liability” like I saw everywhere. It doesn’t seem as though he did anything that ended up causing a problem for anyone, he just took an unnecessary risk, and his teammate went to make sure nothing came of it.
Am I missing something? He had a drink. He’s a guy that shouldn’t have a drink, but it seems that this time there was nothing more to it than that. Right?
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by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Also, what Adam said.
He’s an addict. This is unshocking. I’m more shocked we’ve only had two episodes.
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two that we know of
but given how honest he’s been about things i doubt theres more
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Specious
You are judging his honesty by the fact that he’s made some revelations? This is the strategy I would use on my parents in high school
it wouldnt surprise me if theres more than the two incidents really
but he seems to have been above board on coming forward
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
oh hell yeah
though i think its slightly different, since he basically had been caught
but i get your point, like i said i wouldnt be surprised if there were more than 2 incidences
but im thinking probably hasnt been…who knows
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Agree. And frankly, I'm just glad it's only been two incidents with a few beers
And not his being found with needles in his arms. Or worse.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
That's part of what I wonder
How much did he actually drink? I get that he’s an alcoholic and shouldn’t be drinking at all, but I’m sure he wasn’t making a scene like he was out in Arizona
Galloway is on Ben and Skin right now
And he just said don’t kid yourself, it wasn’t one beer, “a lot of alcohol” was involved.
FWIW. Who knows where he got that.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
One thing i'd say about galloway
other than him being a hack, is he has connections.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yes he does
Which is why I doubt it was opinion on his part.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Galloway was probably sitting at the bar with him.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Again, he may have drank himself in to a stupor.
But unless he actually caused some sort of commotion, I just don’t care that much. He shouldn’t have had a drink. Absolutely, not saying otherwise. I’m glad that’s all that came out of it.
Seems like there’s nothing else to the story, and not much reason for the panic/condemnation I saw everywhere last night.
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hes a grown man, he can do what he wants
but it certainly brings into question if he should be locked up long term for high dollars
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I don't know...
…All I really care about is that he doesn’t get kicked out of baseball or get in trouble with the law. I think it was sad that he was doing body shots with some Arizona sluts because we all know he’s married with kids, but I honestly didn’t care that he was doing that. I also don’t care if he drinks – my only concern is that drinking will lead to drug use, which will lead to a failed drug test, then we have no left fielder this year.
I didn't care about that as much as many people, either.
I mean, i did care. And I’m not condoning it, but it was one night of stupidity. I feel like I’d have things to bury every baseball player for if I got that bent over one night of stupidity.
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Yes.
Maybe the story should be about a team mate helping him out. I saw one writer (the Fraley original) mention it all night, and even then it was just a throw away.
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I don't think anybody had confirmed it
I am pretty sure we will get a few Kinsler Is Awesome, Pay Him stories in the next week.
Kinsler IS awesome.
I find myself day dreaming about how awesome he is every day!
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Yeah... that made zero sense to me.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
i drank 3 24oz beers in an hour last night at a bar.
i’m not some fucking crazy alcoholic lunatic
just a man enjoying delicious
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but...
Josh drinks 3 24 oz beers and that makes him think, shit this is good, how about some Jack Daniels? That gets the buzz on even quicker. Then he’s like, whoa, I’m sleepy, need something to get me back up, how about some crack? I can score crack pretty quickly around North Dallas. Then he winds up in a gutter with some prostititute that looks like Rachel Maddow. Most of us can stop at the 3 beers. He cannot.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Remember in the Arizona incident
He supposedly was asking about strip joints and coke after doing those shots.
That’s the real danger with Josh having even a couple of Bud Lights.
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
oh you think i just had 3?
i cant stop either. i went home and polished off 8 shiners (because that’s all that was in the fridge)
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Good job!
But did you wake up in a gutter on Harry Hines Blvd with a prostitute that looks like Rachel Maddow?
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
obviously not
what is your point?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
This place is a beating when things like this happen.
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Josh's outcomes are worse than yours when he falls off the wagon.
You obviously are nowhere near the wagon to begin with.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I think it's the same as any other player trying heroin
without the legal implications. Getting drunk for him infinitely increases the chances that he’ll have a full relapse. If not infinitely, it increases the chances a lot more.
I’m not sure I agree with the whole AlAnon thinking about this but it’s clear that Josh has accepted it.
Which is what we're talking about.
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Having even one drink is playing with fire if you’re an acoholic/addict. Maybe that first drink won’t kill him. But maybe the next time, he feels more comfortable and confident because this time didn’t lead to a drunken stupor and maybe next time he gets blasted and goes on a three day binge.
If you’re an alcoholic, one drink is too many. It’s as simple as that.
Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!
by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I get that.
I feel like I tried my hardest to acknowledge I get that.
But none of that happened. Why are people spending this much time on what COULD have happened? And again, this is less LSB and more the comment sections of other places, Twitter, and Facebook, with their sky-is-falling, please-be-okay-josh, and josh-hamilton-sucks reactions.
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My uncle is a heroin addict.
Sad shit. He’s a very brilliant guy… but he got hooked on Vicodin when he was in the Army after hurting himself jumping out of planes and then when he got out of the military he hooked up with an old high school friend to get more drugs and that guy was a junkie so he moved on to it.
He’s been to prison twice now, ruined his life in every way possible. He’s 16 years younger than my dad and only 9 years older than me… growing up he was far more older brother than uncle.
He’s had periods of being clean and trying to live a clean life… and if I saw him have a sip of alcohol I would know that something very bad was happening. For him, it lead to a hardcore relapse every single time… because it’s not the alcohol at all that does it… the alcohol means nothing… it’s the trigger in his mind to open the door just a smidge.
Once the decision was made in his brain that it was “okay” to try and be normal… the inch he would give himself would become a mile because of his need.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Had a friend who was an addict and alcoholic
Similar to Hamilton’s situation however he wasnt a world class athlete. During one of his episodes of sobriety he told me that drinking even one drink is like a snowball rolling down a mountain. Many times there would be something that would stop it from becoming a massive ball of snow rolling down a mountain like you would see in a cartoon. However, the risk is that he didnt know how to stop while others who werent battling addiction do.
He had small relapses so they seemed almost immaterial but it seemed to give him more confidence that he could live a “normal” life. He did this until his heart stopped from apparently doing drugs again.
To me, the issue is that every time Hamilton partakes in anything like alcohol the possibility increases dramatically that he wont be able to stop and even if he does mentally he could rationalize other actions by thinking that he handled 2 or 3 drinks why cant I handle 10 or 15?
Im not trying to demonize him at all just saying that is my take on this. This is a serious issue. Do I think he is a bad guy for being weak for a night? Not at all but this should not be taken lightly IMHO.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
What you did there.
I see it.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
On the two relapses subject....
They’ve both been public. And as far as we can tell, isolated. Maybe when he’s temporarily given up he goes and does it in public so it becomes an isolated incident……(He’s not going on 4-day benders) Then the next day he gets right back on his horse to fight his demons, fighting the same way he did 2 days before?
Or is he sneakin’ beers out at the neighbors while his wife is at her parents?
Is he tested for both drugs and alcohol 3 times a week, or just drugs?
Question:
Has the team found him a new babysitter? I seem to recall the incident in Scottsdale was when he was out there without his babysitter…
This is the key to the problem.
He doesn’t fall off the wagon during the season because he has a regimen. Josh has problems in the off season when he has nothing to do. Many Addicts/Alcoholics cannot handle boredom very well. They are adreneline junkies.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
i'd be the best babysitter for hambone ever
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
"TDT, can i have a drink?"
“fuckin’ make it two, bitch.”
“but they say i will relapse.”
“fuck them, let’s have fun.”
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, do you drink a lot?
You haven’t talked about it very much.
by LiamP on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
not really
maybe once or twice a week, tops
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
but you drink an entire weeks worth each time
amiright?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
no, i only had 11 last night.
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Very classy
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
what are you, Hamilton's personal little bitch?
what the fuck does it matter if i joke around a little about this?
it’s Josh’s fault for going to a bar, i didn’t fucking drag him into a bar.
but, TDT, it’s the addiction’s fault, not hamilton’s. my ass. it’s hamilton’s fault.
just shut the fuck up, wales. suck my balls
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
This isn't a joking matter
But you obviously can’t understand that.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
how is this not a joking matter?
god forbid a professional athlete had some brew pops at a bar.
“let’s blow this entire thing out of proportion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
/media
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
you are a beating right now
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
this hamilton thing is a beating
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
the hamilton situation sucks for what it is
but you have been much worse this morning in your response to it
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I guess my point was
If you are trying to ‘get away’ with something, you don’t go to a public restaurant. You go to your buddy’s house,right?
by Jose Cardenal on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
When the demons come for you, there is not much rational thinking going on.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Unless he wanted to get caught
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
those are only the ones we know about
Who knows if there have been other times that no one heard about?
That bar closed down shortly after that -- problems with underage drinkers
Of course he was in there at like 2pm on a weekday
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Hamiltom
It is possible that his recent public drinking is related to his lack of securing a long term Rangers contract as the team has recently offered millions of dollars to other players that are new to the team. Perhaps Josh felt left out or slighted and reacted by doing this. He didn’t break any laws or harm anyone other that perhaps himself. So he had a few drinks, so what. It’s not a big deal and doesn’t mean he will continue to drink. His continued future drinking is all just pure speculation at this point. Give him a break and a new contract. He has earned it.
he's an addict
you obviously have no idea what an addict goes through, and how this affects not just himself but the people he is closest to
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
No. Josh was bored out of his mind because it is fucking January/February
The deepest, darkest part of the off-season when there ain’t jack shit going on.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I think trying to give a reason like "he felt slighted"
Is peering too deep into the crystal ball. It’s not unpossible… but there could be many many reasons that led to his desire to have a drink that we know nothing about.
Trying to apply the public information we know about Josh to his private life that we don’t know nearly as much about is reaching.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
What was his excuse in 2009 then?
Not trying to pile on him but I dont really think the contract thing is the issue here. He has earned the right to be paid what the Rangers value him at. Apparently, the Rangers valuation of him and the valuation he has bestowed upon himself dont match up.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
If That is True
Then both side will just move on after 1 more year. Josh we get a fat contract from some team if Albert and Prince are worth the value of their contracts.
Pujols and
Fielder are entirely different players. I think you are missing the uniqueness of Hamilton’s situation. He is an addict (he admits this), apparently will have a relapse (no one knows if he wont be able to stop or a teammate will be there for him), he is injury prone and honestly he is simply not as good as those two guys IMO.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
MBL
Is and has always been peppered with addicts, well paid addicts. Alcohol and drugs are not new to MBL. History shows that many of the early 1900’s and late 1800’s players were convicts and social or regional outcasts. Ty Cobb once killed a man ?
What does this have to do with Pujols and Hamilton?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Yeah what is that?
Major Baseball League?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
MLB
The players have never been Angel’s in the past, why must they be now ?
Who said they have to be?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
For smart baseball clubs
contract given to players are investments. The club will hope they get value out of the contract while properly pricing in risk (going 5 years instead of 6, vesting options, etc). The uniqueness of Hamilton’s situation is that he not only brings with him an injury risk (not to mention when he has been healthy, save for one year, he hasnt been an elite player) but also the possibility of a relapse (hence unique).
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
M L B
I think you are missing the uniqueness of Hamilton’s situation. He is an addict (he admits this), apparently will have a relapse
Would not be the first.
Nobody said he was a unique snowflake completely unlike any who came before him.
This conversation was about Pujols, Hamilton, and Prince, not the entire breadth of baseball history.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
OK
Josh is if not in the Prince and Albert level he is not that far behind them and he is a better athlete as they are only play 1’st base. You need more tools to play the outfield.
This post says everything
anyone needs to know about your level of baseball knowledge.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
OK
So now you are now the judge too. I know the game, the history of the game and played the game. As for your lame opinion it represents you very clearly as shallow between the ears. ha
Go Giants ’10 ha ha
Oh really played the game?
where at? As I learned long ago simply playing the game is not enough (I also played the game) but you have to dive into the numbers as well (advanced stats usually). You use a combination of those numbers and scouting to assess a player.
Why are you rooting for a team from the past?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I hate when things like this happen.
We get so many new people that come in to give opinions. Normally not very good ones.
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
True
and one of the reasons I like this site is because most of the long time posters are pretty freaking knowledgeable about baseball no matter what their background is.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Stand back, plebians.
We have a Played the Game here.
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by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, so you're just a fucking troll.
That makes more sense.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
"Go Giants ’10 ha ha"
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
That was clearly meant to evoke a reaction.
But more as a “I’m getting annoyed by these people and don’t have a quality response” thing. I think otherwise he means what he’s saying, and isn’t doing it just to get a reaction.
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You are confusing potential performance with likely performance.
Josh had an Pujols level season once. He’s had a couple of seasons that are close to all but the best Fielder seasons.
He is also older than Fielder, and has regular injury problems. You are severely overrating Josh Hamilton.
And that’s before the fact that the Pujols contract is questionable at best, and the Fielder contract is laughable.
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by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So what type of contract would you sign him to?
And you are still missing it….keep trying though
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 3, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Are you a fan of some other sport and just came by to talk baseball?
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No. And if it was then I don't want him back
It is possible that his recent public drinking is related to his lack of securing a long term Rangers contract as the team has recently offered millions of dollars to other players that are new to the team.
Dumb question - Can Josh be suspended if he tests positive for alcohol?
I haven’t read any of the articles linked above.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
No
Just illegal drugs.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't normally post this...
but I saw it on Prof Parks’ twitter.
Trades that make sense: Trout for Harper courtesy of Halos Heaven
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
Heheheh
20% of voters in the poll at HH said the Nats would have to sweeten the pot.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I Did Say
IT WAS POSSIBLE
He did state that he was seeking a long term Ranger contract before spring training and it does not appear that this is going to happen. I only offered a suggestion for what might have prompted him to do this in the open public. I believe it is more than just falling off the wagon. What ever your opinion is also is fine with me as this is all just speculation anyway.
do you a jet ski rental place would work here
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
by Keynes on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He just wanted attention...
otherwise he would have bought a six pack and sat in his garage. He knows what happens if he walks into a bar. Everyone knows him and knows his story. I think he did this get attention.
/HSO
Or he was lashing out for help.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Possibly
I’m just saying he did this to bring attention to himself for some reason. Whether he was feeling weak or just wanted attention.
If he just wanted to get drunk he doesn’t go to a local bar.
by Pocket Ninja on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
One thing that's always puzzled me on about Josh's story...
Why isn’t he in either AA or NA? He never mentions either of those programs in his talks or his book. I know he relies on his faith and the structure of his accountability partner but why avoid programs that have worked for so many others?
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM CST reply actions
I don't know if this is Josh's reason,
but a lot of evangelicals look at AA as some kind of cult.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
that was the case decades ago but
AA/NA is the most widely accepted program of recovery for addicts these days. Most large churches even have “Celebrate Recovery” programs that are basically AA with the same steps but more scripture.
Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!
by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Not trying to get political,
but many of the “recovery” groups I’ve seen have been similar to the “pray away the gay” type of things you see out there. Several have even specifically rejected the disease model. I’m sure there are AA-based groups in churches now, but I just haven’t seen them.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Look into Celebrate Recovery
among others – step-based addiction recovery. AA groups also meet in church buildings, working explicitly with churches.
Is he definitely not?
One of those A’s is for “anonymous.”
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
This is a distinct possibility.
Step groups are quite strict on that Anonymous issue.
Josh Hamilton Press Conference today at 1pm
Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!
by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions
YES THAT IS
“He just wanted attention…
otherwise he would have bought a six pack and sat in his garage".
EXACTLY MY POINT
Underneath every comment there is a blue link called "reply"
Click on that and it will open up a box to type your response and maintain the thread.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
im no counselor..but specualtion at this point now is a waste of time..
now we have just have to wait and see what Josh and the Rangers decide and go from there..shoulda woulda coulda is just a beatdown
So what is y'all's take on this whole thing?
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Oswalt is not worth $10 Mil
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
American needs to stop paying the execs so much,
and get back to a successful business model
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Most expensive drinks in history?
$10-20 million a shot maybe?
Was just thinking this.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I prefer to think of it as being a little callous.
The guy has so much going for him, a supportive wife and family, lots of money, he gets to play baseball for a living and has the support of countless numbers of people across the country who have heard his story.
And yet he obviously can’t keep himself straight without a babysitter, even after all the harm he’s caused in the past. Excuse me if I sound callous, but that’s just ridiculous.
Callous or insensitive, matters not
Those were some expensive fucking drinks no matter how you slice it.
"Napoli is Al Fucking Swearingen, pissing out the dull lump of Angel hubris from his penile shaft like a pus-slathered kidney stone." - TT from HH
by DonDrapersOPS on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
terrible is an understatement
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
i liked it
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Be honest.
You were drunk at a Movie Tavern when you watched it. Only way I can imagine someone liked that POS.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
oh geez.
this is actually spot on
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH SO MUCH GOLD?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Mr. T Chains was the only explanation that got my wife to stop asking that question.
I like pretty dark haired women and breakfast food. - Ron Swanson
by Axe Em Rangers on Feb 3, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
The biggest problem I had:
The chick tells them that they are capturing humans to “study their weaknesses.”
In one of Daniel Craig’s flashbacks, he watches his girlfriend get vaporized. WHY DON’T THE ALIENS JUST USE THE VAPORIZING MACHINE ON THE HUMANS CAUSE THAT SEEMED TO WORK PRETTY WELL.
Also, Daniel Craig’s American accent was laughable. And the whole second half was stupid.
ILYIK
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by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Who was worth 7 fWAR last year and will come pick you up when you need someone to pull you out of the bar?
Answer: Ian Kinsler.
(And Jurickson Profar, but that’s not the case until 2016 or so)
My mind just says throw ball throw hard and strike. - Marteen
LMAO
You seriously think Profar will only be worth seven wins?!
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In his first year...
Let’s not go overboard.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Rec'd. Always rec'd. Get well, Josh.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Ginger, easy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Wait, I didn't mean that.
I meant Mary Anne.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Just for the chance of a 3 way with her girlfriend.
Best Minor League System in baseball, Best Overseas scouting in baseball, Best Front Office in baseball, and, of course, the Moneypenis™ Jorge C 1/28/12
Both
at the same time.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
this is the acceptable answer
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
what if you are addicted to baseball?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
then you need an accountability partner
to not let you watch baseball anymore or something
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
what this mean?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I've never gotten this question.
It’s supposed to be hot vs. next door, right? But is there really a large group that thinks Ginger was hotter? And I love red heads!
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I think for that era she was hotter.
In that she wore lots of makeup and slinky dresses. Her character was a movie star.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Specifically... people at the time thought she was hotter.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Gilligan's Isle
Haven’t seen that show for like 20 years. Loved it when I was a kid.
by RangersfaninROK on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
who are these people?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'm scared
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
Ginger still holdin it together
Skeet skeet skeet.
by Pat MacGroin on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
It's amazing how many take offense and become an instant interventionalist
about somebody else’s opinion on this situation.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
It actually is a word
interventionalist
Type: Term
Definitions:
1. Physician specifically trained to perform interventional or minimally invasive procedures.
iSURGEON around?
Sigh. Unfortunately, it is a real word.
I have a college friend who is an “interventional radiologist,” or, “interventionalist” for short.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Hamilton presser at noon
to discuss latest incident.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST reply actions
"I am a grown ass man. I will continue to do whatever the fuck i want.
“So I had a few bew pops last night. What’s the dealio?”
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Probably not what he'll say.
"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
i know.
he’ll say some bullshit about how god and him have a relationship and he struggles with everything just like the commonman and he’s sorry and he’ll try to be better
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Why is that bullshit?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
because why does he need to have a press conference about this?
this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard of.
josh went to a bar last night, let’s have a fucking press conference.
why is this our fucking concern?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
That doesn't even answer the question I asked you.
Assume he has the press conference and says what you said he will say. Why is the content of that message bullshit?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Which part?
That he has a relationship with God, struggles with addiction, he’s sorry, or that he’ll try to do better?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Sorry he will try and do better
TDT is right.
He probably said fuck it I feel like having a drink, and did it. It probably wont be the last time either.
by PhilKidIsHero on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
So you don't think he's sorry or that he will try not to do this again?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
He is sorry he has to do a stupid press conference
For something that is within his legal rights and he should not have to apologize for.
by PhilKidIsHero on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Who said anything about legal rights?
Nobody is accusing Hamilton of having broken the law.
What are you using as a basis for saying that he’s not sorry that this happened, the fact that you wouldn’t be?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
so why is he giving a press conference?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Press conferences don't just happen when someone breaks the law.
There are any number of reasons why Hamilton might feel like it’s necessary to make a public statement. Maybe he doesn’t like the rumors swirling and wants his version of events out there. Maybe he thinks people need to hear exactly from him what happened so they understand. Maybe he wants to apologize because he feels like he let people down. Maybe he wants to get on top of the story heading into a contract year.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
You are right I would not be sorry
But also I am basing it on I don’t think he has anything to be sorry for.
This is making alot of assumptions but what if he wanted to have a drink, went in to a bar had a few drinks went home and went to bed.
Do you feel this is something he should be sorry for?
by PhilKidIsHero on Feb 3, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
He has a ministry
Pretty much half of his life is devoted to God and this goes completely against it. I think he’s pretty sorry for this.
I bet he is more upset at himself than you think
People really buy into AA. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is extremely upset with himself.
I wouldn't, either.
He knows what this kind of thing does to his family and those that love him, including his fans.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
huh?
i just meant the fact that he has to get up on stage, and give some speech written for him about him and god is just a bullshit thing.
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
"god is just a bullshit thing."
Ok.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
yes, let's take my quote out of context
i did not say god is a bullshit thing.
reading fucking comprehension for fuck’s sake.
the whole spectacle of him having to do this is a bullshit thing.
but go ahead Aqua, mr fucking i know everything and my opinion is better than everyone else’s, misquote me and make it sound like that is what i fucking said
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
and yeah, i am fucking mad
fuck man. take my shit out of context. you are a fucking beating
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
oh and Taken sucks.
so does liam nesson or however you spell that piss poor actors name
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I know you don't mean that.
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
by ILikePizza on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
cant stand it
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Your words are hurtful.
Honey Badger don't give a shit!
by ILikePizza on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I will apologize for having cut that out, I misread what you said.
That was me overreacting to what I perceived to be your premise.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
no. i was raised catholic,
go to church on sundays, lead a bible study, and am generally an allright dude.
sorry that i don’t write in a manner than it is easy to read
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
which part specifically?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe you could discuss your opinions
With your Bible study class this Sunday.
Be sure to sprinkle in all the F bombs for effect.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
we dont have bible study on sunday
also, do you really think i am in real life like i talk on the internets? get serious, airloser
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Because dropping F bombs
And being a douche on an anonymous forum and then acting all churchy on Sundays is EXACTLY what God expects of us.
by Aircooled on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why are you doing this?
Do you think you can really talk sense into TDT?
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
sorry for being an ass
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
but come on, this whole thing is overdone
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Perhaps, but I doubt Josh sees it that way.
This is probably an extremely big deal to him because of what it means.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
what does it mean?
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
He's an addict with a family that had a relapse.
What about this don’t you understand?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
why he needs to give a press conference
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
x
http://www.lonestarball.com/2012/2/3/2768375/friday-morning-rangers-things#90643200
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Because the god thing is crutch.
I don’t think he owes anybody an apology, except his wife and kids. The man cut loose for a night…move on.
"If he ain't struck you out, then you ain't nobody." - Ricky Henderson after Nolan Ryan's 5,000 strike out game
He is a high profile athlete that has been very up-front with his struggles in the past.
He knows that people identify with his situation and care about him. He is important to this franchise on and off the field, and he has done this same exact thing (made a statement) in the past after a similar event.
He’s not doing this because he owes anyone anything, he’s probably doing it because he feels bad and wants to explain himself to his fans and team.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
this is why hes better than that tom tebow guy
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I had to bite my tongue
When people online for weeks after the World Series made fun of the Rangers, both in 2010 and especially 2011. But that’s sports. That’s what happens.
But goddamn, I know its bias because we’re Rangers fans, but this whole Internet reaction to Hamilton in other websites just makes me sick. Calling him a scumbag, a team of scumbags, alcoholic “fan-killers” and all this stuff, it’s pissing me off more than any “LOL U DIDN’T WIN THE SERIES” bullshit.
Sigh. I know its the internet, there’s little compassion, but still.
I just can't understand why he would go to Sherlocks of all places.
If you want to get drunk, do it at your house or something.
That's probably where his wife and family were.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
My point is, going to a public spot is almost like he wanted something else.
Conspiracy!
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Or he was nearby and wanted a drink.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
My wild-assed and completely unfounded guess
he thought if he went to a bar he might be able to meet someone who could get him something stronger.
So he went to Sherlocks in Dallas?
Right. Because that’s where all of the hardcore druggies go.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Newberg Night was there
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by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Everyone knows
the Londoner is where all the hardcore druggies go.
by RyanBlueThunder on Feb 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
more like it was the first bar he saw
and he went to a bar instead of just drinking by himself to try to meet the right person.
Drugs circulate through every bar in Dallas.
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
thats cocaine n boobjob neighborhood
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Is there anyone else who thinks "relapse" may be too strong of a word to use right now?
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Finally. Some sense.
I said this yesterday and got blasted for it.
by PhilKidIsHero on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
a hiccup? a one-time incident?
Relapse, to me, is when the user begins the habit again. Not an isolated incident.
This day is slightly marred by the fact that John Rhadigan sucks a flaming bag of shit. - LiamP
Good call...also, is Josh really an alcoholic?
I thought he just was a heavy drug user. Usually alcohol makes you want those things.
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
No doubt, and obviously we still don't know the specifics, so who knows what else may have happened.
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He's definitely an alcoholic.
Absolutely.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I'm not a huge fan of it.
But if you’re an addict who is trying to stay sober, any consumption is technically a relapse.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Isn't that what this is though?
I’m not an expert on substance abuse, what is a relapse and how does this differ?
technically it is a relapse because he is a coke addict
I jinxed the Rangers on 13 April 2011
by TagDon'tTweet on Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
It's the word that NA/AA prefers
You treat even the small things as relapses, something big, so you don’t ever get tempting into accepting the small things. Which is to say, that’s more his word than a word that the press is impressing on him.
Or we’ll see how he characterizes it.
Another question, we saw in related news about how Hamilton's "helper" (i can't think of the word) stopped
Did that have anything to do with this? I’m not pointing fingers or anything, just wondering if anything could have been done to prevent it.
2009 incident was right around this time.
Or actually I think they were already in ST…not sure if that’s right.
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Narron went to be the hitting coach in Milwaukee.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I know this may be going off on a tangent
but I wonder how much losing CJ hurts the situation. Obviously, I’m not talking on the field, but he always seemed to be probably the one guy in the locker room that meshed the best with Hamilton due to his lifestyle (Alcohoal free, etc.)
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Other than the no drugs, no alcohol thing
I can’t imagine that CJ and Josh had much in common.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Isn't that the major thing about Josh, though?
Like I said, its probably going off on a tangent, but it seemed to me like CJ was always kind of a mini-accountability partner
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I was just basing it off what CJ said in an SI article last year
During the regular season Wilson provided a unique support system for outfielder Josh Hamilton, a recovering alcoholic with a history of substance abuse. “Josh and I formed a bond, in an odd way,” he says. “I was the safe guy for him to hang out with. I knew what he’d been through.”
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CJ had been straight-edge his entire life.
How in the hell would he know what Josh went through?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
Maybe he meant he knows what he's going through with not being able to drink around people who think that's somehow a character flaw?
Or maybe it was just arrogant.
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People usually go straight edge for a reason.
Perhaps CJ has first-hand experience of the struggles an alcoholic goes through, though not because HE ever struggled with alcohol.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Do you know many straight edge guys?
I don’t, but the couple that I DO know of have very personal reasons for choosing that lifestyle.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Yeah
I know lots. Some people don’t like drinking because they don’t like it. And the numerous times CJ has been asked about it, he’s never said anything more than just that it’s his choice.
I just think that from how he worded what he said about Josh's situation,
makes it seem like he might have personal reasons for his choice that he just doesn’t share with the hoi polloi.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you about something we have little information about
But they way he talks about doesn’t make me think at all that CJ was spurred by some profound outside event. He talks about it as if he’s never had any interest in drinking.
I think I read
that he had an uncle or some relative who was an alcoholic and it made a big impression on him as a kid, and led to his straight edge stuff.
That's been my limited experience with the straight edge-types I know.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
all we really know is that they drank
some Ginger Ale together during some postgame celebrations
by RangerMad on Feb 3, 2012 11:34 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I am pretty sure
Josh thought CJ was a massive D-Bag.
by PhilKidIsHero on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
You base this HSO on...
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Heh
These make good pies.
And Jerry Layne sucks goats.
by Thought_Experiment on Feb 3, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
So, because you think CJ is a massive D-bag, then Josh probably thinks so too?
Got it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I wonder if Josh would be annoyed by someone saying the major thing that defines him is that he doesn't drink alcohol.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with this.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I would say none
if this happened during the season then maybe
by RangerMad on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Jake Peavy starter kit?
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
This thread sucks.
We did a version of this (Summer Nights) in Cub Scouts with new words to talk about how awesome scouting was. Half of us were dressed up as girls
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I think LSB suffers when the discussion revolves around determining the appropriate parameters of the discussion.
"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
Yep, it's fucking horrible.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Don't you mean,
it’s Fucking Horrible?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It just makes me wonder
How much the Shannon Stone incident affects him on a day-to-day basis.
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 3, 2012 12:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
There is a lot of weight to the water that man carries around.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
People seem to be really upset (here and on twitter, with Goldstein being the biggest one I've seen)
That Hamilton HAS to give a press conference. I don’t think that he has to at all. He’s choosing to. I doubt that the Rangers can or would force him to give one if he didn’t want to.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
People think he has to have a press conference?
I don’t understand this. What can be accomplished there that couldn’t be accomplished with a release or something else?
A number of things.
Not sure of the relevance of that to my question. Why would somebody believe he is required to have a press conference?
I don't know the answer to that question.
But on this thread and in other places, people are saying that he shouldn’t have to. That’s the point I was making; he doesn’t HAVE to. He’s choosing to.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.
I think he and the Rangers are giving one to get ahead of the situation..
People are making things up etc, and I think they rather bite the bullet so to speak and move on. Ita Josh is the one choosing to do this, he’s been honest about his situation so this doesnt surprise me.
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"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs
I'm not sure i even want to listen,
probably will anyway.
by lost in space on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
You know enough to admit that.
"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson
Same here....it's a sad and unfortunate situation...
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I spent some time in my younger days working at a rehab
and the one thing I learned from that experience is that everyone is different. Especially in this context. It may have been a number of factors that led to this latest relapse. Addiction is not predictable and speculation on the reasons why are really not that fruitful.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
I just dont have much to say..
I’ve been reading lsb since last night and sigh what’s there to say other then I hope he recovers, its just sad.
Addiction is such a tricky thing
For me, I have to go to AA every day to be reminded that I can’t drink. Some are sicker than others; it keeps me humble. Because of my alcoholism and my alcoholic thinking, my mind will say to me, “I’ve been sober x amount of time, therefore, I can’t be an alcoholic because, see, I can go a long time without drinking.” that’s the addiction speaking and it NEVER goes away. It’s an every day struggle. I, and most alcoholics I know, constantly have to fight off the thoughts of, “I can be responsible this time and drink like a normal human being.” And you know what? I could probably drink like a normal person for a night or a week, but then I get on that slippery slope where I don’t stop and alcohol takes over my life. I think a lot of people have this misconception that alcoholism is thinking of “I have to get drunk right NOW” or “beer beer beer!” but its way more subtle and dangerous than that.
So I can’t fault Josh for slipping up. It’s not me to judge him. I hate that it happened but I can only empathize with him. I just hope he finds peace, whether that be through God, baseball, family, or whatever. But he’s not going to find it through alcohol and sometimes it takes a slip up to be reminded of that. Stay humble Josh.
by TheIncredibleHulse on Feb 3, 2012 1:10 PM CST reply actions
my brother-in-law told me
that he just does not have the ability to stop drinking once he starts. He will literally poor beer down his throat. He doesn’t have a stop switch.
by RangerMad on Feb 3, 2012 7:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
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