Elvis Andrus, Rangers reportedly agree on three year contract
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 7, 2012 8:56 PM CST
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PrintPer a variety of folks on Twitter, Elvis Andrus and the Rangers have reportedly agreed on a three year contract that is believed to be worth between $14 and $15 million, thus avoiding an arbitration hearing that was scheduled for Thursday.
Let's get the bad news out of the way first...a three year deal with Elvis covers just his arbitration years, meaning that he's still eligible for free agency after the 2014 season, when he'll be just 26 years old.
The good news is that Andrus and the Rangers will avoid the potential contentiousness of arbitration hearings this year and the next two years, with Texas locking in both cost certainty and getting Elvis at a little bit of a discount over what you'd think he would likely make in 2013 and 2014.
Elvis had requested $3.6 million in arbitration, and the team was offering $2.65 million. If you figure that the deal would have come in around the midway point, that would have put the 2012 salary at about $3.1 million. If you figure bumps to about $5.3 and $7.5 million the following two years, then the Rangers are saving between one and two million over his likely arbitration figures the following two years, while Andrus gets some security and guaranteed money.
It is a deal that carries little risk for the Rangers, since it is hard to fathom a scenario where Andrus would be non-tendered after either 2012 or 2013. One would also think that there's some groundwork laid for a potential longer-term deal that would buy out some free agency years at some point in the future.
The Rangers now have just two remaining arbitration cases -- Nelson Cruz and Mike Napoli.
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Wellnice knowing we have a good shortstop at a reasonable price for the next few years.
Now he just needs to hit like crazy.
That's not for sure.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
More like predicting the future is hard for anyone.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
she looks kind of smug
Please tell me where I said I would not have sex with her. I dare you. - Loblaw
"man..I know I don’t go for dongs, but that one is so outstanding that I’m going to offer it an exception"- Loblaw
by Chrom on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
About 3,000 miles I think.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Professor Parks tweeted
that Profar is upset and asked to be traded to the Nappon Ham Fighters
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 9:09 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
In batting practice
No way does he even hit 8. But he will get 45 stolen bases.
I shortened my sig so I wouldn't be frowned upon at Lookout Landing
the wedge is his only hope
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 7, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Upper deck of the porch.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Remember when he absolutely got all of one in that game at Fenway last season?
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 7, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
I enjoy TAG's "ELLLVIS! WHERE'D THAT COME FROM!?"
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 7, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Probably...
But would we want to change?
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 7, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Remember what life was like before you discovered Lone Star Ball?
Offseasons from November to mid February with no one to talk to about the Rangers?
shudders
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
I've never had that problem...
I discovered LSB around the time I discovered my love for baseball. I was too busy with other activities in HS to devote myself to Rangers baseball, but once I started college, LSB was there for me.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
You know
I’ve realized I have a variant of Seasonal Affective Disorder that is Offseason Affective Disorder. I’m just not as happy October through March. And this year has been particularly harsh, for obvious reasons
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
Maybe if he gets traded to Colorado and blows up the humidor
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
by LSJ on Feb 7, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
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Rk ISO PA From To Age
1 Dick Schofield .099 1010 1983 1985 20-22
2 Delino DeShields .099 1245 1990 1991 21-22
3 Butch Wynegar .098 1761 1976 1978 20-22
4 Roberto Alomar .096 1959 1988 1990 20-22
5 Rickey Henderson .095 1613 1979 1981 20-22
6 Rick Manning .093 1424 1975 1977 20-22
7 Glenn Hubbard .092 1023 1978 1980 20-22
8 Robin Yount .091 2869 1974 1978 18-22
9 Terry Puhl .087 1584 1977 1979 20-22
10 Willie Randolph .085 1194 1975 1977 20-22
11 Edgar Renteria .085 2395 1996 1999 19-22
12 Alfredo Griffin .084 1439 1976 1980 18-22
13 Alan Trammell .084 1724 1977 1980 19-22
14 Lou Whitaker .080 1124 1977 1979 20-22
15 Ozzie Guillen .072 1090 1985 1986 21-22
16 Elvis Andrus .072 1880 2009 2011 20-22
17 Greg Gross .068 1277 1973 1975 20-22
18 Mike Caruso .065 1119 1998 1999 21-22
19 Derrel Thomas .054 1005 1971 1973 20-22
20 Tim Foli .043 1415 1970 1973 19-22
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 2/7/2012.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Those ages are weird.
Renteria was born in August, 1975, but that has him down as 19-22 from 1996-1999?
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Straight from B-R
No editing by me.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Nobody's saying you edited it.
I’m just saying it’s weird.
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I didn't say that you did say that.
Next time I’ll type “shrug”
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Sure?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I'm Ron Burgandy?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
Lol
I think you read this as confrontational for no reason…
My response was basically, “I dunno. I just copypasta and let the magic happen.” I didn’t think you were being accusational at all.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
you're a bad ass mother cow
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
cows are kind of mothers by definition
but he’s still bad ass.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Ah... I'll provide this background then from my brain.
95% of the time when I put these types of tables out, I pull the data by hand and format it. So there’s always the possibility that I transpose something or have a typo.
In this particular case it was a pure copy and paste so I didn’t know why it would be wrong.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
OK.
The problem is, I’d guess, with Retrosheet, which also has the 1976 date. Since I think B-R simply imports some Retrosheet data…
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Also, this is a case in which minor-league numbers would be interesting.
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Either Retrosheet knows something nobody else does, or there's an error, there.
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I find this interesting,
but it’d take up a lot of space in a post.
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For those who don't want to open up the chart:
it shows, from 1901 to 2011, the 40 players who racked up 1000 or more PA from ages 18-22 with a 50 percent minimum of their games played at short.
Andrus is 25th out of 40 in HR/PA, 29th out of 40 in 2B/PA, 27th out of 40 in 3B/PA, and 29th out of 40 in ISO. Which I find interesting. It makes me wonder if we shouldn’t be wishing Andrus was hitting more doubles and triples, rather than holding out hope for homers — especially since, looking into the careers of the guys on this list, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of compelling evidence for him posting a lot of seasons with ~15 HR going forward.
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how many playef before 1920
part of EA’s problem may be his spproach at the plate
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hang on, I'll re-run it with only 1920 and later.
One last note before I do: Andrus’ BABIP was 11th out of 40.
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Nine players were weeded out by setting 1920 as the start date.
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(I forgot I exported it to Excel -- no need to rerun it.)
This gets rid of Rogers Hornsby, by the way, which makes me sad. Northside High School, baby!
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Definitely the one issue I have with Elvis
is that he hasn’t been able to turn his pretty decent contact ability and good speed into more doubles or triples. Now, it may be that he is so good when it comes to swinging an extra base once on the baspaths that it all evens out. But I would love to see him have a few more XBHs
Go Rice Owls!
Would be a Matt Harrison fan, but I only like superstars
For what it's worth, Andrus is 4th in SB/PA and total attempts (SB+CS)/PA
He’s 16th out of 40 in SB success, but there are 11 old(er)-timers with perfect records, so…
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I sometimes wonder how much all his goddamn bunting skews his numbers
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
by LSJ on Feb 8, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
Sadly, I can't seem to get infield hits or all bunts as fields in the search.
I can get sacrifice hits, which’d mostly be bunts, but that doesn’t account for bunts for hits… and the categorization is probably slightly off.
But: I can tell you that Andrus is 12th of 40 in sacrifice hits per PA (SH/PA). The GIDP/PA data is skewed by 12 old-timers with zero GIDP counts; I’ll just say that Andrus does a decent job avoiding those, relative to the guys with counts.
(Also, I screwed up that stolen-base attempt per PA rank: Andrus is actually 6th, not 4th. Sorry ’bout that.)
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I'd be happy with 5 again
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
>yfw .80 ISO
>but he bats .320 and walks so he’s like .320/.400/.400 get on my level
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btho Iowa State
Elvis hits 20 HRs this year
19 in the park home runs and 1 in the upper deck.
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
19 in the park home runs and 1 completely out of the stadium.
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
lets not go crazy now
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
Ha
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 8, 2012 7:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great to hear...
Now let’s get the rest of our ducks in a row before ST.
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I <3 Elvis
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by txranger7 on Feb 7, 2012 9:08 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
He's so handsome
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 8, 2012 7:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I love this photo so very much.
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by CrustytheCowboy on Feb 8, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
really disappointed Rangers didn't get a 4th year
and is saving s couple million in this case really a win for the Rangers?
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 9:12 PM CST via Android app reply actions
its boras.. they arent gonna waste FA years for 3.5-4.5 per
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 7, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Boras isn't going to let Elvis give away FA years when his and Jeters contracts coincide
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
by LSJ on Feb 7, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
I know
only thing this deal does is give the Rangers cost certainty for the next 3 years
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 9:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Which lets not discount the appeal of that
Its great to get cost certainty especially for a young player who is still just entering the prime of his career but given his offensive profile it likely wont make too much difference
Things rarely work out they way they "look"
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
There's really nothing THAT positive with this...he's going to be here for 3 years...he was going to be here for
the next three years without this deal.
This is like LSB doing nekkid somersaults after JD signed Josh to a two-year deal last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
Wait...
who here is acting super excited about this? Seems to me people are just glad that the Rangers won’t have to go to arbitration with Elvis and he signed a reasonable deal that gives the team some cost control benefits. No?
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
First comment out of the box and then the story from AJM himself saying the organization gets to save a few
bucks and now have cost certainty plus (oh joy!!) they will avoid the contentiousness of arbitration.
There are a few other compliments as well.
Signing Elvis to a 3 year deal doesn’t suck but it also doesn’t matter…he was going to be here 3 years with or without this deal. It also tells me Elvis is gonzo in 3 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"You want false modesty? F that."
I don't think anyone's really all that excited about the contract
Some people just love any excuse to slobber on Elvis’s knob.
He’s LSB’s Michael Young. You should be able to relate to that.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
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The Korean Baseball Organization officially filed a letter of protest to Major League Baseball on Tuesday, alleging that the Baltimore Orioles broke protocol by signing 17-year-old pitcher Kim Seong-Min. According to a baseball source, MLB is investigating the claim.
I don't get what protocol they broke
That they didn’t let the other team know they were discussing a deal?
Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"
Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."
lol agreed
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 7, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
KBO needs to go fuck themselves
reading the article they even admit there is not protocol for signing amateur korean players… they are just butthurt we are taking there talent for U.S. American Dollars
"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011
"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011
by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 7, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Illegal use of synergy.
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"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
i like this....no arbitration hearings w/ Elvis at all
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
The Rangers would talk about lack of power and defensive inconsistencies...
and Elvis would just show a video of himself riding on an elephant and win every year.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 7, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
riding elephants is the best leverage a player can have
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Feb 7, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
haha absolutely..
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development
Also helps his ERAR
(Elephant Rides Above Replacement)
"...Ron Washington is the Les Miles of MLB." - AJM
You are money when it comes to these kind of stats
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 8, 2012 7:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
All he really needs is that play he made on Torii Hunter
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 8, 2012 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can already see how the arbitration hearing with Naps will go
Both JD and Nap will sit in the room for 30 minutes without saying a word. Nap will then sit back and undo another button on his shirt. JD will counter by putting on his sunglasses.
by Telegraph on Feb 7, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Nolan will slowly uncross his legs....
You gotta get up mighty muthafuckin' early in the mornin' to fuck with me - Wash
by AndrusImpersonator on Feb 7, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Completely irrelevant
But Bullpen Banter is going to have Mike Olt somewhere between 36 and 40 on their top 100 list.
Nice
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btho Iowa State
So far
Neil Ramirez at 91, Jorge Alfaro at 83, and Leonys Martin at 51
Just don't piss her off, otherwise she'll get all Dien Bien Phu up in your Boxer Rebellion - caknuck
btho Iowa State
At least three more then.
Olt, MPer and HoFar
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
>he doesn't believe in Joey Butler
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btho Iowa State
Erlin is at 74
how far off the list can Ross be?
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 9:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
There's a good sized gap between Erlin
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Between Erlin and...
is this like the one hand clapping thing?
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
You have to wait for it.
It’s a temporal joke.
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Well... neither Jason Parks or Jason Cole had Ross in their top tens for the Rangers system.
So potentially 200ish?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
I like the list
the only ranking I’m really leery of is Casey Kelly at 50
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btho Iowa State
idk Jurickson
you might have a say in that
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 9:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Or on Profar's development. And Kinsler's contract situation.
And possibly on what our other positional needs at the time might be.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
by LSJ on Feb 7, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not really
If this club is in contention we aren’t going to trade Elvis just to call up Profar or anything.
Just like this year we wont be trading Colby just to let Perez or Ramirez in the rotation if they are ready at midseason if we are in contention
I really don't think those two hypotheticals equate at all.
Profar is a much better prospect than either of those two, who both have holes in their games that could be exploited in the majors. Everything I’ve heard suggests Profar should be far more polished when he’s ready than Perez and Ramirez will be, provided everything goes right.
If he’s the player we think he is, Andrus shouldn’t be someone who should block him, especially if we can get value back for him in trade. Unless he suddenly develops bigtime offensively between now and then. Which, despite LSB’s Renteria fantasies, I seriously doubt will happen.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
Elvis is a huge huge fan favorite
Trading him midseason while we are in a playoff hunt would be a PR nightmare
It may make sense in theory but in reality there is zero chance it happens IMO
Trading any player who helps you win during a pennant race
is pretty illogical, popular or no.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
all LSJ is saying is that it depends
on Profar’s development. He may come up sometime in 2013 and show he is ready and JD trades Elvis before the 2014 season. Or Jurickson flops in AA and JD extends MY so he can return to SS
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The question was "during year 3"
Which to me means midseason 2014.
I think the odds or Elvis being traded are much much higher prior to the 2014 season as opposed to during it.
If Profar continues developing and is deemed ready at some point in 2013 then I think the chances Elvis gets traded go up significantly, especially if Boras is holding to his usual stance of no extensions pre free agency.
But if we start the 2014 season and we are in a pennant race I see no way we trade Elvis regardless of how Profar is doing in the minors
What if we need an outfielder?
Or a first baseman?
Something that moving Elvis will help us acquire?
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
I do agree though that it's far more likely to happen pre-season that midseason.
But I don’t think it happening midseason is as impossible as you think.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
We would trade prospects before we traded Elvis IMO
Plus you have to also realize what the market would be for Elvis. He would be 2 months from FA in a system which he wouldn’t bring back draft pick compensation (due to the new rules).
Why would a non-contending team trade for him and give up a ML player who could help us?
And why would a contending team give up a ML player who could help us?
I think it would take a very unique situation where some other team has a glut of players at the position we need and need a SS themselves. And theres very little chance that happens
the prospects EA would bring back
would likely be better then the two draft picks. I do agree that his peak value wouldn’t be in July 2014
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
But we wouldn't trade him for prospects
That would be insane from a PR standpoint
Trading your young veteran SS in the middle of a playoff chase for prospects so you can call up a 20/21 year old rookie? No thank you
The only thing you trade Elvis for would be a established ML player at a position of weakness on your current club and that would be hard to find given the reasons stated above.
I wouldn't trade Elvis unless Profar had already proven himself to some extent in the MLs
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 10:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hows he going to do that though?
Are you expecting a injury to Elvis?
Does a handful of September AB’s convince you?
Are we letting Kinsler walk after 2013 and Profar play 2B? Because if so then we wouldn’t be able to trade Elvis anyway.
I dont expect Profar to have more than 100-150 ML AB’s by July 2014 so i dont think that would be enough to make me feel comfortable trading Elvis.
under the trade EA at the 2014 deadline scenario
Profar makes his ML debut sometime in 2013. He is the UIF out of ST in 2014, proves he is ready and the Rangers deal EA to fill other needs.
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That would be a horrible way to use Profar IMO
You dont stick a guy his age at UIF hoping he proves himself enough to be able to trade your starter especially when that starter is a guy 26 years old like Elvis.
If we were talking about doing that and had a guy like Jeters age at SS thats different.
But Profar should be playing everyday somewhere whether thats in AAA or the majors
I'm kind of assuming we'd be packaging Elvis with a prospect or two.
But yeah, it probably would take a somewhat unique situation.
But then, all of this is based on a fairly unique situation happening regarding Profar and Andrus anyway. There could be a team out there who thinks they could extend or re-sign Elvis. There could be a contender with an injury in need of a stopgap. There’s more than one scenario in which a fit could be found.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
if Profar shows he is ready anytime
before June 2014, I think JD would seriously consider trading EA.
by RangerMad on Feb 7, 2012 10:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He's a huge fan favorite around here.
But we’re probably in the vast minority. I don’t doubt Elvis is popular, but he’s no Michael Young or Josh Hamilton, and probably never will be. You have to hit a lot to be that popular. Trading him isn’t going to cause that kind of backlash if we’ve got someone to replace him.
Everything about people is the worst. - Jeff Sullivan
It won't cause more backlash than moving the gold glove face of the franchise to 3B...
For an unproven 20 year old.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver
doesnt matter, we'll have figured out how to clone him by then
by dolphinpuncher on Feb 7, 2012 9:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We'll be the Mariners?
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by LSJ on Feb 7, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Less in the new CBA.
Since you can’t get draft picks for midseason acquisitions.
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Just noticed that John Olerud dropped off the HOF ballet
Goddamn. TINO MARTINEZ got more votes than Olerud
the fuck
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Rickey Henderson didn't recognize him.
"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11
"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12
Kind of agree with Josey...
But don’t think there was that big of a reaction here…
This deal was so meh to Jon Daniels that he pulled it off while signing autographs in a backroom of an Academy…
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
Dear Rangers, Make me forget about 2010.......
by matthewbschultz83 on Feb 8, 2012 12:35 AM CST reply actions
Why hast there been an elephant gif yet
Assuming I didn’t miss it
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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 8, 2012 7:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Hasn't*
I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)
by Gay For Feliz on Feb 8, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
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Obviously, "Elvis gonzo in three years," and if I'm his agent and the Rangers offer a 10/290MM extension at the end of 2014, I say fuck you.
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I guess the front office felt they didnt have a choice
But I disagree with hoping there was groundwork laid for a longer deal. We just lost all our leverage to buy out a year or two of free agency
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
There was no leverage to lose
Why on earth would Elvis give up free agency years now? He is poised to hit the FA market at a young age, in his prime, an opportunity few players get.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
You don't see where the Rangers lost leverage?
Elvis now has security in 2013 and 2014 that he didn’t have before yesterday…what motivation does he have to sign a long-term deal?
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What motivation
did he have to sign a deal longer than the one he just signed? That’s right, none. Andrus was not going to sign away a free agent year.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
The tradeoff is the security he now has
According to baseball reference, these were his salaries
2009 20 Texas Rangers $400,000
2010 21 Texas Rangers $418,420
2011 22 Texas Rangers $452,18
That’s not quite enough to retire on. The contract is insurance which guards against him suffering a career ending injury prior to hitting free agency. That is the tradeoff players usually make is to trade a year or two of free agency for that lifetime security. As a very young player, Elvis was in an even better position to make such a trade
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
by thedudeabides on Feb 9, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
what I was saying
Is there is no reason for elvis to give up FA years now that he has the contract
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
by thedudeabides on Feb 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
in short, guaranteed money
In the words of Elvis:
“It’s something I was looking for, especially with my family,”
“To get secure at this point in my career and my life, I’m pretty happy and excited to get this deal done.
As Jeff Wilson said: “giving Andrus the peace of mind of having guaranteed money now.”
NOW he doesn’t have motivation to sign a longer deal, that was my point
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
by thedudeabides on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
He was never going to sign away a free agent year
nothing has changed.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
Don't be obtuse
You are a smart guy. If you want to say boras then fine. The point was leverage. Rangers have none anymore
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
by thedudeabides on Feb 10, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
If you want to live in fantasy land, that's fine
Boras and Andrus know that he’ll be hitting free agency when he is just 26 years old. He’ll be in line for a huge contract, and the Rangers would not only have had to pony up big time to get a year of free agency, they would have taken on additional risk in doing so. The leverage you say they had is offset by the dollars required and the risk involved.
Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin
This means he's going to get even more annoying at Hooters
"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT
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