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Thursday a.m. Rangers things

Counting down the seconds until spring training starts...

Evan Grant writes that the Rangers are close to a two-year deal with Nelson Cruz, which would mean no arbitration hearing for him next week.

Anthony Andro has a story on the Elvis Andrus contract extension at Fox Sports Southwest.

Jeff Wilson writes that the Elvis Andrus contract extension is a win-win for the team and the player, and that the organization will continue to talk to Andrus about a deal that would buy out some of his free agency years.

Grant has the breakdown of how the $14.5 million for Andrus is structured.

Behind the paywall, Grant has a piece on the Rangers' efforts to sign some of their key players to extensions.

T.R. Sullivan has a story on the Rangers' roster situation heading into spring training (which is just two weeks away) and the various on-the-field issues the team has to sort out.

Richard Durrett continues his series where he looks at the various Rangers positions heading into spring training with a look at the #4 starter, Matt Harrison.

Richard Justice writes that, while the Rangers kicked the tires on Prince Fielder this offseason, they still believe in Mitch Moreland.

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We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

Shocker!
Peter Gammons of MLB Network reports that Rich Harden had surgery last week to repair a torn capsule muscle in his right shoulder and will miss the entire 2012 season.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 8:17 AM CST reply actions  

X

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12

by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

heh

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

"Steady as a rock." "Yeah, but I shoot with this hand."

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Feb 9, 2012 1:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

for some reason, I still like this guy

don’t hit me.

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

This guy?

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

must be the smile

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

he's very impish

and I love imps now, especially after reading/watching Game of Thrones series

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Is Roy Oswalt

about to pull his face off and it’s Ben Sheets?

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2012 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

He turns down 10 mil from Det

says “no” to the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Pirates, and probably others
Is inflexible in his demands to start
and is only interested in teams that don’t need/want him.

I’ll echo tball’s sentiment and ask why he doesn’t just wait until mid-June at this point and play mercenary?

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Feb 9, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't there a story in the last two years about Oswalt

that said he was contemplating retirement and would rather go back to Mississippi and rope goats or spit off his back porch?

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12

by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Am I the only one who read that as rape goats at first?

"I wish I could tell you that TRangers fought the good fight, and the 2 strangers let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Beaumont is no fairy-tale world." - bking

by TRanger on Feb 9, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

This needs to get more love

"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"

/Holland.

by BEW on Feb 9, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

where's dirkatron when you need him

Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011

by iblum on Feb 9, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh

I hate The Angels so much, it's actually cramping my style. (See RevHaloFans SBN profile page)

by Gay For Feliz on Feb 9, 2012 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Quite a visual

Defending Big D Check it out
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by Josh Lile on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Old man on the backporch

POTUS Old Man on the Backporch. Check it out.

Everybody needs somebody to love... I need Yu, Yu, Yu! I need Yu, Yu, Yu!

I hope I haven't offended the Blues Brothers with this.

by rooster on Feb 9, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

He can get a 10mil deal...

Just not from the team he wants.

by kchorton on Feb 9, 2012 9:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Heck no.

He has turned down multiple teams.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yah I suppose so.

It just seems so weird. His medicals must be bad.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

What are you missing?

He only wants to pitch for the Rangers or Cards…that is it.

He is completely limiting his own market.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. Its like he's saying

Fuck it all…I wan’t cheese from the dark side of the moon, bitch. And I WANT IT NOW!

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12

by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he's thinking that he's been hurt and

this might be his last chance to win a WS…the Phillies have limited interest so he thinks that his next best opportunities are the Rangers or Cards and if they’re not interested he can just retire. He doesn’t want to go somewhere an just collect a paycheck….

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

If that's the case though why would he totally dismiss DET or BOS?

Especially if DET has the most money on the table.

Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!

by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 9, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

He's been in Philly for a couple of years...maybe he wants out of the

northeast and wants to play for a contender in the south/midwest.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Texas isn't a slam-dunk either.

I see the Rangers as a serious contender but funny things can happen to teams that lose back-to-back World Series.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

funny things happened to the Mavs

but they made it back and won it all against a super team. This team has all the tools, except consistent average or above offense from the 1B spot. They aren’t missing much of anything…and if Yu and/or Neffy are any good at all, the sky is the limit.

I think we’re the favorites, and yes, going two times in a row does count in my book as a positive.

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

We should be the favorites but I'm sure the

’79 Dodgers (who finished below .500) were the favorites to go to the World Series and same with the ’93 Atlanta Braves who had just added Greg Maddux (lost to Philly in the NLCS).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

My point is that you make it seem it's very unlikely

I think it’s more likely that we go, than some other team; but if you put us in a pool of what, 13 other AL teams, (total of 30 teams) and say, "do the Rangers stand a good chance of making it vs. the field? No. No, we don’t.

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

The biggest reason I don't think they're going back has

less to do with their talent and much more to do with respect for the history of the game.

Teams that lose two World Series in a row don’t go back.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's more to do with the fact that the playoffs are largely a crapshoot

and it’s very difficult to defy the odds for 3 straight seasons.

by Jobu. on Feb 9, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it's a slam-dunk we make the playoffs this year.

I can’t come up with a reason that we don’t win at least 90 games other than Yu STBF but the Angels should easily win that many games as well.

There’s a chance we don’t win the AL West and it’s probably going to take 93-95 games to win the Wild Card.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

It'll be huge if there could be a 2nd WC this year for us

**not for the sport of baseball, but specifically for the 2012 Rangers.

It should be an entertaining baseball season.

by Jobu. on Feb 9, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

of course there's a chance

there’s a chance the Mariners do what we did two years ago; but it’s highly doubtful.

I don’t see how the Angels are that much better. Their rotation is a nightmare, but their bullpen isn’t complete. Their offense got a huge boost from 1 bat, but we still hold advantages in most of the other 8 positions, and they trudge an automatic out in their lineup by the name of Mathis. They have young potential, but nothing proven outside of Pujols and the aging cast of veterans they took on. They scored almost 200 runs less than we did last year, had 200 less hits, 400 fewer total bases, a .263 team batting average vs. ours at .283, and an OPS of .714 vs. ours at .800

Over the course of a World Series, or playoff run, maybe crazy things happen – but unless their rotation puts up a collective 3.00 ERA (which is possible, I guess), they’re not going to win most games without some offense in the AL. They already had the # 1 pitching staff in the AL vs. us at # 5, and admittedly, they got even better. But who knows – maybe we did too? The talent is there from Holland, Lewis, Harrison, Yu and Feliz; we’ll just have to wait and see. But I’m willing to bet we have a much closer pitching line to theirs by season’s end than they have comparing their offense to ours.

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

The atumotatic out is now Iannetta

Mathis is a Blue Jay

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
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by vfn on Feb 9, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

didn't realize that;

Ianetta, Pujols, Morales/Trumbo, Kendrick, Aybar, Callaspo, Abreu/Trout, Hunter and Wells. It’s not total crap…but it’s not Napoli, Moreland/Young, Kinsler, Andrus, Beltre, Cruz, Hamilton, Murphy/Player X by any means.

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know how good our rotation is

going to be in 2012 and if anybody tells you they do, they’re full of shit.

Nobody can tell you with any degree of certainty how Darvish & Feliz are going to do.

I do think if the Angels can get a .340 OBP, they’ll score 800 runs and win the AL West regardless of what we do.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

x

if the Angels can get a .340 OBP, they’ll score 800 runs

Just what makes you think the Angels will score 800 runs if they manage to achieve a .340 OBP? And I’m not even going to go into the probability of that happening.

The Angels scored 667 runs last season. You think adding Pujols and Iannetta to the lineup will somehow result in an increase of 133 runs?

The only teams in baseball to score more than 800 runs last year were us, NYY, and BOS btw. You think the Angels line is comparable to those three teams?

by RangersfaninROK on Feb 9, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Key word is "If"...I didn't say they

were going to score 800 runs.

I think it’s possible…they scored 883 runs in 2009 but they also had a .350 OBP that year.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Angels will be

between 700-725 runs.

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Feb 9, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I do think if the Angels can get a .340 OBP, they’ll score 800 runs and win the AL West regardless of what we do.

What if we score 1000 runs

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Just about everything went right in 2011

and we scored what, 855 runs?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Josh missed 6 weeks, Napoli missed a chunk of time, Beltre missed time

Cruz missed time

Our hitting coach sucked the first two months of the year.

I wouldn’t say “just about everything went right”

by bigsteve on Feb 9, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

lolz

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

laughing at yourself, I hope

Saying everything went right is pretty ignorant.

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Feb 10, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Like the Yankees?

If Oswalt can hit left handed 27 here we come.

Football can go to hell. The Rangers aren't ready for football season and neither am I.

by WyoRanger on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How many players had St Louis on their list before last season?

If they decided St. Louis wasn’t a contender, how’d that work out for them?

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Berkman?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

No....maybe I didn't explain myself correctly....

How many players decided to go somewhere besides St Louis because they didn’t think the Cards would be a contender? They chose poorly…..

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

It makes sense

because he is most likely financally secure and to the point in his career where the grind isn’t worth it unless it is the perfect situation. Texas and St. Louis are good teams close to home. Other than that, it sounds like he would rather sit than pitch for someone else.

"Calmer than you are dude"
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 9, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what he's been offered but...waiting until late May a la Clemens

with the 2007 Yankees isn’t a horrible idea.

By Memorial Day, Oswalt would know which teams need pitching and which teams are likely to be in contention. Somebody might pay a premium to sign him at that point.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

the main difference

is that clemens was coming off of a 2.3 era, 3.02 FIP, 8.1 k/9, 2.3 bb/9 season (3.52 k/bb ratio)

oswalt is coming off of a 3.69 era, 3.44 FIP, 6.02 k/9, 2.14 bb/9 season (2.82 k/bb ratio)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Clemens also received a pro-rated $ 28 million.

Oswalt isn’t going to ask for that.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Oswalt isnt going to get 10mm for the entire year either

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Apparently he could

If he didn’t care where he played

by bigsteve on Feb 9, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

This isn't on the front page for me.

I had to find it by going to Archives.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

same

also can’t see fanposts

by JDavidd on Feb 9, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

You know how to post words on LSB?

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Making a joke about lsb being broken

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yah

The real issue is no OT post.

Looking forward to today’s police blotter.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Hammy grex grape rumor picked up by

Deadspin

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

Matter of time.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Feb 9, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I got to listen to 15 minutes of speculation on Hamilton raping in a bar bathroom yesterday.

I am totally frustrated at what seems to be extremely unlikely, being presented on an Austin radio station that wouldn’t otherwise talk about the Rangers without the “probable” sex tapes. When somebody beats you over the head for 15 minutes on this, I was trying to pick up what is the source of this (the Onion, the Dallas Morning News) and it just sounded like conjecture modelled after Ben Rothlesbergers adventures in Georgia. I couldn’t pick up what sounded like a good source.

Still, I could be wrong about this. I just hope for Josh’s sake these rumors are total B.S.!

by Philar on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I've heard any rumors that it wasn't consensual

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

me either

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

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by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 9, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope....

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

This is the insanity that is Josh Hamilton

Under the story are related stories and in order they are:

- Josh Hamilton Apologizes And Admits He Had “Three Or Four” Drinks Monday Night
- Report: Josh Hamilton Had An Alcohol-Related Relapse Earlier This Week [UPDATE]
- Josh Hamilton Said God Told Him He Would Hit His 10th Inning Home Run

Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!

by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 9, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

HornedFrog94564385 or whatever his name is

Good work.

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by FungoFrog on Feb 9, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Thats why he need Werth money

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

"Sultan of Tw*t"

lmao

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

This is what Shropshire said on the air, which led to his firing at the Ticket way back when

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Shropshire also said there was a woman sportswriter back in '75 who boffed 5

Texas Rangers in the showers.

Not pointing fingers at all but I always wondered why Fergie Jenkins (who won 17 games for a crappy Texas Rangers team) was traded one year after he won 25 games and the Cy Young.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody likes sloppy seconds...and thirds...and fourths...

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12

by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

that's a much easier thing to answer

Because Ranger Ownership at the time (either Bob Short or Brad Corbett) was entirely incompetent.

Why don't you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up? - Lisa W 3/4/2011

by iblum on Feb 9, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn the Ticket is such a train wreck recently

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

I haven't listened since Norm and Sturm were out for extended times.

I’m pretty much all 91.7 all the time now.

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Feb 9, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Heh....Gordon has obviously read or heard a lot of negative feedback on his

contention that reaction to the Hamilton story is partially motivated by race…the guy would never admit he’s wrong.

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes....I think he's wrong for the vast majority of people....are there some where race is the issue, of course.

I also think comparing the Michael Irvin situation (where a law was broken) and Hamilton’s (where none was broken) and claiming the criticism is racism is a bit disingenuous. They were completely different issues…..

Do I think that the public was willing to give Josh some slack a couple of years ago? Yes…but I would venture to say that the support this time is less than that previous time and if a tape comes out, that support will be virtually gone.

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more with that last sentence.

It doesn’t matter what’s on that video, it won’t put a dent in Josh’s support base at all.

by jthig32 on Feb 9, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And so is LSB...

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

If you want to call them extensions

Technically they are, but they aren’t giving us any extra Cruz/Elvis time.

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 9, 2012 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

the Andrus contract I can understand

given his age, injury history and agent. But I don’t understand why Nellie wouldn’t want a 3-4 year deal. Guess it is possible the Rangers don’t want to sign him for more then 2 years. Saving their $$$ for Josh?

by RangerMad on Feb 9, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to be shocked if Josh, Napoli, Kinsler, Tiny E or Cruz are here after 2013.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Well,

Andrus just signed through 2014, so he’ll be here. I think Josh is gone. The silence from the Rangers on this latest relapse story is defeaning. I think Kinsler resigns, and Cruz and Napoli are toss ups.

"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct on Tiny E.

Kinz is going to want at least 5 years tacked on to 2013…will the Rangers do that with a player who is perpetually injured?

Napoli doesn’t appear to be a toss-up…JD said they were going to give him a one-year deal meaning he will hit free agency. We’ve seen the track record of this front office when they let players hit free agency.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

won't it all depend on how he does this season

I can understand the two sides being far apart this offseason. Nap wanted to be paid like the stud he was in 2011 and the Rangers wanted to pay him like the slighly above average player he’s been for most of his career. We’ll see which player shows up in 2012…..

Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!

by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 9, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I would be interested to see

any team’s track record when their guys hit FA. I would bet our front office isn’t any worse in terms of getting those guys resigned. Once they get to that point, it usually means one side or the other is ready to move on.

"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 9, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

We signed VPadilla after he hit free agency. I can't think of anybody else.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Right.

What I asked about though is other front office’s track records of resigning their guys once they hit FA. Not extensions.

"Calmer than you are dude"
We tell our guys, control the controllables. Trust the process and don't sweat results. Be the casino.

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 9, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, this team has a terrible track record with players hitting free agency

like being unable to re-sign CJ, you know when they didn’t really try to re-sign CJ. Or when they were unable to re-sign,,,Well you know, all those other amazing players we let walk in FA like…

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

well

players don’t usually hit FA uunless the team doesn’t want them or want to pay him his open market value. generally i assume any FA is gone. it isn’t just the Rangers

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by JBImaknee on Feb 9, 2012 10:25 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Logix!

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

This is probably true the vast majority of the time which means

Josh and Napoli are probably gone if nothing happens before Spring Training.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Under normal circumstances

But don’t you think Josh presents a different quandry for the Rangers in that he is a great to elite player when healthy? And with Napoli, they have to be wondering if 2011 was the new standard for him or simply a career year.

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by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

It was definitely a career year but I don't think it was a fluke.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

xx

not saying it is a fluke, but expecting him to continue at that high of a BABIP is way too much to expect. as is expecting him to have a nearly 100 point jump in wOBA

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope you're not here after 2013!

Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."

by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Feb 9, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

why?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I could, also, see why the Rangers wouldn't want to sign either Cruz or Hamilton

to long extensions given both of their injury histories

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Just avoid arb and waive bye.

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Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The extensions I wanted were Kinsler and Napoli

Napoli has seemed to price himself a bit high at this point, and I still have hope for a Kinsler extension.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Price himself a bit high? ....he's better than VMart (who signed a 4/50 deal).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

he was better last year

But he hasn’t been better for the entirety of his career

Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!

by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

What's his career OPS....870ish or so?

AND…he plays catcher…AND …he’s apparently much better defensively than when he was given credit for being.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

VMart’s OPS has been .844 or better 8 of the last 9 seasons
Nap’s OPS has been over .844 twice in his six year career

His career numbers are driven up by two really good years (.960 in 2008 and 1.046 in 2011). I have no doubt that Nap will be the better player going forward considering their respective ages and current injury situation but I don’t think you can argue that from 2006-2011 VMart was the better player. Maybe Nap had the higher peaks but VMart was much more consistent.

Go big or go home!! Bet big to win big!!

by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 9, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

And ideally, you want to pay a player for what he's going to do

and not for past performance.

Napoli’s combo platter of power AND discipline tell me he’s going to be a very good hitter for the next several years…better than VMart.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

why does citing a bad contract make Napoli's demands better

and doesn’t Napoli want more than that. The VMart contract was bad before he got hurt. Paying 12.5M per for a DH is stupid.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't think the VMart Contract was bad.

He got hurt but insurance will take care of that.

If he comes back and did what he did last year, that’s a good contract.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

better than v-mart?

lololol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

career wise, no

he is nowhere near as good.

and he isnt going to get 4/50 either

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

If he puts up another year that's 90% of what he did in 2011, he'll blow by 4/50.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

he played 113 games last year (60! at catcher)

if he puts up 90% of that + plays for 130 games or catches 90+ games, then i will agree with you

if he catches 60 games, plays 1B for another 30 and DHs the rest, i am not so sure.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Hence why I said "now"

At this moment, Napoli is a better player than Victor Martinez. And I am talking pre-injury for V-Mart. That has nothing to do with his career.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

my fault there

carry on!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

And when Josh leaves, The Window closes.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

nice bit

I haven’t heard this one before…

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

he's been throwing that out on the wall lately

hasn’t stuck tho.

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by shock00 on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody came up with a solution...how Josh will be replaced and how

much (in $$$ or prospects) it will cost the Rangers to replace him.

When Josh leaves, Napoli won’t be here either. Face will be 36, Beltre will be 34 (and scuffling to keep his OBP above .300), Cruz will be 33, Kinz will be 31 and there’s nobody (other than Profar) coming from the minors to replace them.

I sure hope JD was right about Yu Darvish…he needs to be great this year…no room for adjustments to MLB life…he needs to be a stud-hoss TORP Cy Young candidate in Year 1.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

i too would like to see a long term solution emerge

on the offensive side. the pitching seems set for the mid to long term. but u want a bat to get excited about

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by JBImaknee on Feb 9, 2012 10:30 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

worry about the current season and how they are going to win the WS

its not my job to come up w/ replacements for anyone and I will not throw names out just to satisfy you.

NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not. Love the rangers, not this -- Mark from OC on Arrested Development

by shock00 on Feb 9, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

That's because you don't have names or solutions.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not the one worried about it either

that is you JW.

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by shock00 on Feb 9, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I wrote an article on it on Monday.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Obviously that means you are a nobody

Sorry match. FWIW, the rest of us don’t feel that way.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw that...Nick Swisher is a very nice complimentary player

but he can’t carry Josh Hamilton’s jock as a player.

With all due respect (the effort of your article is not being criticized…the content is) the other names you mentioned are a joke.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

The dropoff from Hamilton to Swisher

Isn’t that big… Swisher plays 150 games every year. If they had the same PA it would be different.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

And if you can get him for half as much

That extra money can go to things like keeping Napoli.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Napoli is gone after 2012...it's best to plan the future without him

until further notice.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You think the Rangers are going to let payroll drop by $20M?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

When did I say that?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

If you said that I wouldn't ask if you thought it... I'd know the answer.

Do you think it?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think payroll is coming down...I think

the Rangers will try to replace the lost production and end up overpaying for it.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

And Napoli may be the guy they overpay.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

'Stick...he gone.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

So who do they overpay?

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

based on........................

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

not planning for Napoli or Hamilton to be back

by Jobu. on Feb 9, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

We disagree.

Profoundly.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Why?

He does your favorite things. He hits on the road and has a great OBP.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

xx

green = swisher
orange = hamilton
purple = cruz

(OBP)

wOBA chart (look at the last 3 years)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

If he has a very good year with the Yanks, do you think

they will be outbid for him?

The best OPS Swisher has ever had was an .872…he’s also had two years in The Show when he played full time where his OPS was below .770.

Josh has a career OPS of .901 and the only year he was below .750 happened when he was injured.

I like that he plays a ton, can get on base and is not a mirage of a hitter (hits well on road and at home) but Nick Swisher is nowhere close to Josh Hamilton in terms of pure physical ability as a player.

Do teams who are playing the Yankees game plan for him and say “Beware of Nick Swisher…we can’t let him beat us.”

Hell no, they don’t…Nick Swisher is a very nice complimentary player while Josh Hamilton is a game-changer franchise cornerstone.

Please don’t say Nick Swisher is an adequate replacement for Josh Hamilton because it’s simply not true.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying they are the same.

I think Hamilton will be better over the next several years because of the whole package he brings in defense and speed.

But if Hamilton plays 120-130 games a year and Swisher plays 150 games a year, offensively they’ll provide similar value.

And it’s not just about Swisher giving you EVERYTHING Hamilton did… the point is that if you go from Hamilton to Swisher, the window hasn’t closed because of that.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

There's also the problem of decline creeping in

with the players that are still here…it should happen to Face, Beltre, Cruz this year or next.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

who would you rather have?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAH!!!!

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Just write it down, Steve.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 9, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh...it was duly noted.......

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

In fact, just for grins I added it to my sig just as a reminder to myself of

the impending 2013 Apocalypse

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought The Window was already closed

because CJ left.

I seem to recall someone saying that last offseason.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You have a very difficult time with the truth.

I said The Window would start to shut if they lost CJ and the fact that he went to their chief contender doesn’t help…we’ll see if Yu Darvish can replace his 220+ IPs / sub 3.00 ERA.

Without Josh, The Window shuts.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

You realize that it doesn't have to be a 1-for-1 replacement, right?

Yu Darvish doesn’t have to replace CJ exactly. Expecting him to do so doesn’t make sense.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

yes he does

1 for 1 is the only shit works aqua!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone watch your fingers.....the window is closing!!!!

"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

"And when Josh leaves, The Window closes." JW 2-9-12

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Feb 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

you should have warned me in 2011

I’m screwed now.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

x
If true per CJ

The Window closes in 2011.

"The Rangers system just happens to be stupid with depth." - Jason Parks, 7/14/11
2011-07-25 17:44:05 - benjihana: Ahh my backdoor!!!
"It appears I made a mistake. I did not know what pegged meant" - Schultzy, 11/13/11

by vfn on Feb 9, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The sky is falling!

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Why have I never heard of STEAMER before?

It looks promising on pitcher projections. Here is a rundown of 2011 projections:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/testing-projections-for-2011/

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

>>Races to read the Cleveland STEAMER projections.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 9, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I was waiting...

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

so... fart joke here or...?

"...out of the shadows of unprecedented success, the sun shines down upon this team waiting to thrill anew." - ghostofErikThompson

by jam0152 on Feb 9, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

And in a moment

Norm is going to slobber opine on the Josh situ.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Dumb

He is proposing (or rather regurgitating Heyman’s thoughts) about Josh signing a 1 year deal with TX.

Never happen.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Durrett posted Keith Law's Ranters top ten

Law hates Leonys Martin.

1. Jurickson Profar, SS (7)
2. Martin Perez, LHP (20)
3. Mike Olt, 3B (75)
4. Neil Ramirez, RHP (99)
5. Robbie Ross, LHP
6. Rougned Odor, 2B
7. Leonys Martin, CF
8. Cody Buckel, RHP
9. Leury Garcia, SS
10. Jorge Alfaro, C

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

I get the Leonys hate

Huge questions still remain about his hit tool. Their is way too much helium on this board about him in my opinion.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

There are questions about his hit tool

but the speed/defense combo mixed with the proximity to the Majors is legitimate.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

x

Scout.com/Frankie P has him at 44

Cole and Parks both have him ranked fairly highly.

Jim Callis thinks very highly of him.

Helium didn’t manifest on it’s own.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't get it with Odor and Garcia

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

hit tool for odor i assume

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't think his hit tool was that great

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

thats the only "tool" i believe he has thats highly rated

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I really don't get Odor

above Martin and Alfaro.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Neither do I.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he just REALLY likes those other 6

I understand (and hope) that 5 of them deserve it, but I have to plead ignorance on Odor

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

ROBBIE ROSS!

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 9, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Just to recap: Napoli, who comes with instructions, is better than VMart, and therefore should expect a much bigger deal than 4/50.

I want to make sure everyone’s on the same page.

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

Remember

There is no way he finishes the year with an OBP over .300

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

And The Window slams shut.

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Who's that?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Napoli of course

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Who said that?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Change of Scenery

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Fluke Season

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

The fact that you are now forced to reply in a passive/aggressive manner is hilarious.

That Braggadacio Montage must have really stung.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

So I like what we're doing

Elvis locked down and happy for 3 more, possible more to come; he’s young, and he’s got a Profar nipping at his heels down the road, but we’re set there for a while. Cruz locked down for 2 more and “happy” – he’s 31 now? So hopefully 2 more years of his prime, and then we figure it out. No need for a long contract there. Beltre locked down for 4 more, Mike Young locked down for 2 more, Kinsler for 2 more (hopefully sign him to an extension), and several young arms either already here or coming. We need to lock Napoli down, and figure out what to do with Hamilton…but it’s a good start.

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

I would NEVER!

(several young arms either already here or coming)

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 9, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

do you think the Andrus for 3 more yrs

sets the table for maybe Profar for Kinsler in 2 yrs?

by capps1 on Feb 9, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

more likely Andrus

moving Profar to 2b, his max value is at SS

"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT

by thedudeabides on Feb 9, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

moving Profar to 2B would not maximize his value, which is on the field as a SS or in a trade as a SS

"If I had connections and knew I would have to start out doing scenes with dudes, I think I would give porno a serious shot." by River Fenix on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT

by thedudeabides on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Napoli and Hamilton are gone.

If I’m either agent and the Rangers offer a 10% equity stake in the franchise, I say fuck you, we’re going to FA.

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Reply failure

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

And Shtick Failure

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Stop replying to my posts. We're not going to have a conversation. Stop stalking me.

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No kidding...

your reply to Josey might be the pussiest response I’ve ever read online.

Just saying.

by Buddy Smokes on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you...

going to go cry to Mommy next??

If you don’t wish for a conversation, don’t reply to him.

And don’t bother replying some whiny shit to me either.

by Buddy Smokes on Feb 9, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Tiny prefers the passive / aggressive approach with me.

That way things like the Braggadacio Montage don’t come up.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Few things are funnier than the visual of a 6'5" 300 lbs man throwing up his skirt.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

Leave Evan Grant out of this.

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 9, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Evan is 6'5"

Only in his most erotic of fantasies.

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12

by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

OT but hoping someone can explain this to me ...

I don’t know a lot about stats like wOBA, so I was looking it up and I noticed that the formula puts a higher weight on when a player reaches base on an error then when he hits a single. Can someone explain to me why that is the case?

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

not sure the exact reason

but it might have something to do with the frequency that it occurs.

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I threw a fit about this once and Snark talked me down from the ledge.

I can’t search for his comments from that far back in time though.

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

There's some discussion of the issue in the comments here

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-visual-look-at-woba/

"I have thought a lot about why people get so hostile online, and I have come to believe it is primarily because we live in a society with a hypertrophied sense of justice and an atrophied sense of humility and charity, to put the matter in terms of the classic virtues." --Alan Jacobs

by JDT217 on Feb 9, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

so how many of you

were going through withdraws without an OT thread last night?

by RangerMad on Feb 9, 2012 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

There was an OT thread last night

Only the cool kids were there

Josey Wales: "And if you think intangibles really do exist, how in the F could you vote Ellsbury as the MVP?"

Adam J. Morris: "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college."

by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Fanposts still exist.

The only thing that doesn’t is the widget on the front page. You can still click on “all fanposts” and they will pop up.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

"do you a jet ski rental place would work here" - Mike E, 5/10/2011.

by Aqua on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Evidently

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Do we really still believe in Mitch?

or are we just using him because there aren’t any other feasible options available at the moment?

by RangersfaninROK on Feb 9, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

Yes.

Because Napoli needs to be behind the plate 80% of the time and we don’t believe in Face as a serviceable 1B option.

And he is young and his dongs are majestic.

"the PGT isn’t about alerting drunk guys on their mobile as to what the score was." --goET 7-24-11

"Replace Ace? Done. Ace's was too long anyway." --Micah 1-17-12

by Atticus F on Feb 9, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

B

I think he is just a placeholder.

We’re not about sending messages. We’re about winning ballgames.-Wash, 04/03/11
Hell to the fucking no. -Wash, 10/07/11

by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I do...he had a .907 OPS on June 5 last year. Combine that with how he finished in 2010...that's a good hitter .850+ OPS.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

"You want false modesty? F that."

by Josey Wales on Feb 9, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

If he can produce at that level, yeah he'd be a fine hitter

Personally I haven’t completely given up on Moreland either. But he’s almost running out of chances now. He’d better start producing or he’ll be gone just like Davis.

by RangersfaninROK on Feb 9, 2012 1:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He might not be the future

but I don’t know who will be pushing him out of a job in 2012. Brad Hawpe?

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he stays with us in 2012 barring unforseen trades

Hawpe is not going to dislodge Moreland from his spot.

by RangersfaninROK on Feb 9, 2012 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

if moreland gets hurt or something... hello FACE

brawd hawpe… cringe

"God dammit TAG I swear to God if you keep this "It was a close play" shit up all night I will send you cookies made from my own shit" -River Fenix 8/26/2011

"this is a big reason I decided not to convert to Islam now if it was 72 skanks? Different story, my friend" Bob Loblaw 9/2/2011

by I am Neftali Feliz on Feb 9, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

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