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Several surprises after the top four (who all crack his top 100 list), including Robbie Ross coming in at #5.

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I don't think that's all that surprising

I think Machado is generally viewed as slightly better of a prospect than Profar.

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 9, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

No clear consensus at this point

Just interesting to see who has picked whom as better so far.

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like this race.

A draft guy versus a latin guy. Manny is older by less than a year. Similar development so far although Manny might be slightly ahead.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I assume he's ahead in development too

but not positive. Do people grade Profar on a curve because of his (slight) age advantage?

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Machado has half a season of advanced A ball experience

Profar never got promoted out of mid-A. That is the reason I say Machado is probably slightly ahead. You could say the difference in age makes it a wash.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoops

forgot Machado was in high A. Yeah, clearly he is ahead in development process

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all speculation until they prove it in The Show

That’s why all these rankings are so dumb.

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by WyoRanger on Feb 9, 2012 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

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by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

We're all going to sit back and laugh in 2016

When the Rangers are starting Profar and Machado up the middle.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean when Machado is at 3B.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless that comment was made by Law

I don’t understand why that would contract AJM’s statement. He said generally viewed, not unanimously.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

contract?

Anyway, he’s wrong. I’ve seen more references to Profar being better than not.

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Meant to say contradict. Whoops.

And I don’t think your anecdotal evidence is enough to support your claim that he is wrong. It is just his general opinion anyways. What’s the big deal?

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldnt say generally.

I’ve seen it split. I feel like that I’ve seen more Profar as “best shortstop prospect” than Machado this winter. In part because many aren’t sure Machado sticks at short.

In one of their recent BP podcasts, Goldstein and Parks were talking about SS prospects sticking in reference to Bogaerts and Machado and Goldstein said he thought there was a about a 50% chance of Machado sticking. Then he made the point (which said will probably overrule his previous one) that pretty much anytime you even here whispers of a prospect being moved… they almost always get moved.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

They seem to always be 1,2 in terms of SS rankings

But, if I’m not mistaken, BA has Profar ahead.

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

scout.com has Profar then Machado

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

He’s still going through the individual top 11’s. He’s mentioned he’s working on it.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." by Earl Weaver

by Brad on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Not yet.

He’ll post it when his team-by-team rankings are done.

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by Aqua on Feb 9, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Really

the most interesting thing about Machado’s ranking is not that it’s higher than Profar, it’s that it is higher in relation to the rest of the league. Definitely had not seen Machado this high. Right after the big 3.

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it's KLaw

This is a guy that ranks Hak-Ju Lee at 12. I usually don’t take KLaws rankings seriously.

by RangersfaninROK on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

May I ask why?

He’s one of the most respected names in the industry, worked in the Toronto front office for a number of years, and was recently offered another front office position with the Astros that he turned down.

by Schrute Farms on Feb 9, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Per Robothal
Rangers and OF Nelson Cruz avoided arbitration by agreeing to a two-year, $16 million contract.

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by Rodney on Feb 9, 2012 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

It looks like the deal also includes incentives

Which makes sense because the $16MM figure looks a little low to me.

by Heebs on Feb 9, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not all that low really

The midpoint between both of their numbers for arbitration this season was 6.5M, take that, then they essentially increase next season to 9.5M. That’s pretty reasonable plus he can make more depending on the incentives.

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by NothinG on Feb 9, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

KLaw;dr

I saw Ross at #5 and decided that it wasn’t worth my time.

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by Gay For Feliz on Feb 9, 2012 2:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

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