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On the MTVization of ESPN, and ESPN v. The Blogosphere

Over at SBNation's Georgia Bulldogs website, there is a very good (and very lengthy) critique of ESPN, and the way it chooses to program and market itself, that I'd encourage folks to check out.

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That
was a long and a good read

by coolaid on Jul 22, 2007 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
What blows my poor mind is all the anecdotal evidence that ESPN applies policy after the fact, rather than having recognizable standards in the first place.  Horrible management model.  Crap on the world, then make PR adjustments.
Time does funny things. The worst of which is, it keeps moving when you don't.

by Ed Coffin on Jul 22, 2007 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I often wonder how some things happen
During development or creative meetings, and someone proposes, "Lets have a NCAA style tournament to decide sports most hip athlete" I mean do people actually agree and think its a good idea?

Is nobody standing up and screaming, "What the hell does this have to do with sports, or the job of reporting sports?"

I for one know I would be personally embaressed if an idea like that was given more than 45 seconds of discussion.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 23, 2007 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

who's now?
"who's now?" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on ESPN. I'm sure that alot of people didn't really like the idea, but they felt that it appealed to the younger demographic who might just be bored by baseball highlights and analysis. Personally, I have to change the channel when it comes on.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 23, 2007 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

MTVSPN
I've come to the conclusion that ESPN has abandoned the young/middle aged male in favor of the adolescent girl.

My wife loves how much I hate ESPN as it saves us on our cable bill, because after my 4mos (I get cable for college bball) I am so fed up with ESPNs rediculous pandering that I kill it.

Wish it didn't have to be that way ESPN, get rid of the hot seat, stephen smith, and over blown, rediculous controversies.  I thinkthe nonsense reporting is the worst (I'm looking at you sports reporters).  It feels like I'm watching a boring (by comparison no less!!) and stupid version of the McLaughlin Group.

by bushe on Jul 23, 2007 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

re
"I've come to the conclusion that ESPN has abandoned the young/middle aged male in favor of the adolescent girl."

What?

Yeah that comment doesn't make any sense at all.

And am I the only person who's life really isn't terrorized by "the hot seat"? I mean, I dunno, I didn't realize it was such a big deal. I hardly ever even see it.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

a fun game
to play with ESPN is when you're flipping through channels and land on it, count how many times their programming is either A) about the Yankees, B) about the Red Sox, or C) has nothing to do with sports at all.

by tangiers on Jul 23, 2007 5:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow
That was horrible.

I'm no big fan of ESPN, but that guy thinks he (and blogs in general) is just a liiiitle too important.

Also, it was written very poorly, such that it wasn't really worth wading through, or interesting. And it talked a lot about how wonderful the blogs are and well, patting yourself on the back too much is generally not good.

Also, why did he whine about ESPN then say he wanted a explanation why Dan Patrick left. This makes me thinks he likes Dan Patrick, which kind of ruins his credibility.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Talk About
Talk about completely missing the boat.  Wow.

by jf55510 on Jul 23, 2007 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
You totally dont get it.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Disagree
At no point in my reading the piece did I feel as if he was pandering to his own blogosphere interests, nor did I feel like he overstated the importance of blogs as a watchdog. Because journalism does not need more pundits; it needs more watchdogs.

I found it well thought out and, at the very least, worth the time that I spent reading it.

And IMO, he mentioned the Dan Patrick and Harold Reynolds situations to speak to the transparency (or lack thereof) of ESPN. For example, if Fox News were to let Geraldo Rivera go, I'd like to think that we, the public and the consumers (essentially, the reason Fox News can exist), would get an explanation as to why.

The author thinks that we, the public, are entitled to an explanation as to why we won't be seeing a certain face anymore, and I happen to agree. It adds transparency to a news organization, something that the American media relies on (or, at least, should rely on).

"I don't think it's any kind of understatement to say that Rusty Greer is the greatest baseball player of all time."- my friend Kevin

by ghtd36 on Jul 23, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did find it
interesting that while going on and on about how ESPN is full of itself (which they are) he managed to go on and on about how great the blogoshere was.

Cowherd pissed him off and he went off about it in about 5M words.  

I think he's right though, they are going the way of MTV and in probably 5 years, there will be no sports highlights at all.  

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

espn
for the most part the network annoys me, I hate watching baseball and football games on espn because the broadcast teams always suck. And I can't freaking stand cris berman.

About the only thing on ESPN I watch is around the horn and the occasional sports center.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I've never read that guy before
But I particularly loved this diary:

http://www.dawgsports.com/story/2007/5/27/8010/48344

"Let us leave aside the almost comically ignorant vanity underlying such an assertion when made by a man who writes for a newspaper that publishes an on-line edition yet somehow seems to presume that his readers are more sophisticated if they happen to get ink on their fingers while perusing his work."

Later:

"Is it really so preposterous to suppose that intelligent readers who consume books because of an insatiable appetite for learning might be as competent to review works of literature as professional critics with personal grudges, political agendas, and ties to the publishers who provide them free copies of books to review and to the other authors who will be reviewing books of theirs?

By the same token, is it really so absurd to imagine that the fans who are in the stands because they have loved their team for as long as they can remember are as knowledgeable and capable of intelligent and insightful commentary as the reporters in the press box who are on the job, under a deadline, separated from the actual action, handcuffed by oftentimes artificial impartiality, and bound by the stylistic guidelines imposed by their corporate employers?"

Very bright, very funny. Schickel comes across as ridiculously pompous in his column.

I also learned about this little gem of an invention:

http://thebeerbelly.com/

Kind of like wheels on a suitcase, it makes you wonder why they didn't think of it sooner.

I will not get my comeuppance!

by Brian Thomas on Jul 23, 2007 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I like ESPN radio
Too.

Sure, it has it's share of annoyances, but it's straight sportstalk.

I like it.

I will say it was pretty funny when Cowherd owned all the michigan fans, of which that blog writer was probably one.

Because you know, the stats obviously proved Michigan deserved the title game bot Florida.

Or, that was the PC thing, anyway.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Cowherd
Knows his damn college football.

At least.

All the LSBers said Michigan was better too.

You guys are pretty dumb when it comes to football.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

who are you arguing with?
If you like the stuff they do that's fantastic good for you.  Alot of us don't for one reason or another (though strangely they all seem to be strikingly similar) and that's that.  ESPN seems to agree with you so congratulations!

by bushe on Jul 23, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some of it
It's hit or miss. I do on balance like ESPN radio though. But some of the hosts are better and some worse. Not like they're a monolith.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

College football
Oddly enough, I too get my college football news elsewhere.  

Of course, maybe that is because it is a baseball site...

by JBImaknee on Jul 23, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

You should
Cus these posters dont know football.

They dont really know baseball, either. I mean they do, but they hate the rangers so..that leads to..Jason Botts is the best player ever.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really enjoyed that article...
I've actually been calling it the MTV of sports for a while.  Like MTV, it used to do one really cool thing really well, and then it stopped doing that for the sake of just being cool, and then eventually it just became something weird that is useless to any of its original audience.

My big problem is that they have decided to take advantage of the average fan.  I think they realize that the casual sports fan is manipulatable.  If the Boston - New York matchup is hyped up enough, the casual sports fan will watch the game, even if they weren't planning on it.  Likewise, if they hype up Ohio St. - Texas football game, they know they will get more viewers leading up to and after the game.  Thus their entire "news" division becomes nothing more than a long commercial for themselves.

I have a big problem with this.  Not the fact that they are in it for money - because that is fine.  But because they come across as trying to be unbiased, when they surely are not.  Because this putting all their eggs in some baskets means that they NEED Boston and New York to win.  This leads to things like their tools Gammons and Stark writing articles saying small team GMs like Daniels should take whatever they get for their players - an action that only feeds the teams that everyone hates, a result that incidentally leads to higher ESPN ratings....  

by JBImaknee on Jul 23, 2007 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

right on
I think that they should air the whole "This is a paid advertisement..." speel before they put anyone on

by bushe on Jul 23, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hubris
is what ESPN should change its name to.  But they will survive and thrive.  Never underestimate the power of the Lowest Common Denominator in U.S. culture.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep
Look at how popular Borat is, for example.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The bottom line
ESPN realizes that it is much more profitable to be popular, rather than good.
Me and Billy the Kid never got along. I didn't like the way he cocked his hat and he wore his gun all wrong.

by tricer on Jul 23, 2007 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

They're not that bad
Ya'll are being kind of retarded.

I think on balance, you know, they're not that bad.

I mean, if this bloggers dude was expecting a bunch of sabremetric crap on ESPN, well that's not going to happen.

Certain anchors of theirs are bad, Stuart Scott and Chris Berman.

Theit baseball coverage is often pretty bad, but a lot of that is due to the fact they're required by law (more or less) to hire a certain qouta of unqaulified minorities, and also for some reason that baseball players dont seem that bright. The contrast to me is football, that has a lot of entertaining personalities among ex players. And since, they have to hire a bunch of ex players..it kind of doesn't give them a hell of a lot of options.

I just dont know what yall really expect. Blogs are blogs and ESPN is a national, the national, sports network.

Talking about how they promote arena football..well who cares.

Anyways, I'm all up for criticizing ESPN, but that blogger didn't do a very cogent job of it, and seemed awful patronizing and full of himself.

And the article was also boring. I sort of gave up on reading the hyperlink fest before long.

by Sharky on Jul 23, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

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