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This team is done

Time to recognize the obvious, and move on.

Start soliciting offers for Dumpmaster, GMJ, Padilla and Barajas, and let Jason Botts and Freddy Guzman start playing regularly.

This team needs to start looking to 2007.  It isn't going to do jack in 2006.

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I was just...
thinking the same thing

by chase1971 on Jul 2, 2006 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sad...
...that the Rangers are a game and a half out of it...and everyone, correctly, realizes that the season is over...

by jefrussell on Jul 2, 2006 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?
I'm surprised to see you so pessimistic about the team, Adam.  
you trying to tell me jesus christ can't hit a curve ball?

by chief on Jul 2, 2006 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
I'm usually right there with you on just about everything Rangers related, but I don't think I totally agree that this team is done.  This team played really well for about a month, and I think it's not impossible for them to get back to that level.

Maybe Adam Eaton comes back and does something great.  I don't expect it, but that would be neat.

by alon91 on Jul 2, 2006 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm bitter right now
I may feel differently tomorrow.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2006 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothin to say on the subject but
if it cheers you all up, my name's Alon too... small world

by Alon on Jul 6, 2006 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
That's a little quick on the trigger.

Even if we were to decide to blow things up, do y'all really think we should deal GMJ, when he's almost assured to decline arb and sign a multi year deal somewhere and net us at least one draft pick, maybe two? Can we do better than that for him porspect-wise if we deal him right now?

Got trust factor?

by thedirkatron on Jul 2, 2006 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Fear
My fear is that the Rangers will go on a hot streak, moving into first (at least for a bit), thereby paralyzing the team from making the moves with the future in mind.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 2, 2006 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Is that really your fear? If the Rangers go on a hot streak, I'll be thrilled. Daniels should always make moves that won't paralyze the team in the future, but if the Rangers actually put themselves in a position to win now then I think they should take the necessary risks in order to improve that possibility.

by jcir454 on Jul 2, 2006 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know
I know that Daniels should make moves with the future in mind, but would he in his first year?  What if the press/fans/Buck/etc. where begging him to add to the current team for a playoff run, but Daniels knew this team didn't stand a chance?  That's a big professional risk; I think he still needs to prove himself for many people (I don't think he will live down the Wilkerson deal).

In a year or two, I think Daniels will have earned the requisite faith to pull off an unpopular move (or non-move).

To clarify, my fear is not that the Rangers win games, but that short-term success blinds them from just how badly the team is fooling itself.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 2, 2006 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm
Oakland fans are wondering why their team can't put the rest of the division to bed.  California fans have no idea what's going on, and Seattle's fans are just elated to be close for a while before the team succumbs to the inevitable.  Rangers fans...well, I guess we're just used to them losing.

They have a chance, just like everyone else in the division.

by Dustin on Jul 2, 2006 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
The middle of the order can't hit anymore.  I've never seen Young strike out this much.  Tex is pulling his front shoulder out on every pitch, plus he can't hit the off-speed (curve OR change up) pitch. Blalock is lunging at the ball again.  Mench acts like he doesn't care.

The only way this team wins is if they make a mid-year uniform switch to red.

by T Coleman on Jul 2, 2006 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I want to think the Rangers have a chance
in this weak division but if the offense doesn't come around soon you can stick a fork in them.
Hank the Bank

by boomer1 on Jul 2, 2006 10:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets wait
and see whats wrong with Millwood before we blow the season off because of this loss.
MLB doesn't want the Rangers to succeed.

by RangerMack on Jul 2, 2006 10:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mench
I have noticed the same thing. I know his playing time is reduced, but he just doesnt have the hustle/fire that made me such a big fan and thats the main reason Ive been all for moving him and seeing about Delluci. But once again its a moot point if we cant win.

Does everyone really believe Tex and Mike cant hit anymore? I know its been half a year and Tex is looking more and more like he's off of some special apple juice, but Mikes still hitting well over 300.

by Nichols22 on Jul 2, 2006 10:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mench needs to play
every day.
Hank the Bank

by boomer1 on Jul 2, 2006 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if you are slated
to be a full time player you need to play every day until you play your way out of your position. I think if you platoon players they can't get into a groove.
Hank the Bank

by boomer1 on Jul 2, 2006 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hustle/fire
It seems to be missing from about the entire team, right now.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2006 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep
Hank the Bank

by boomer1 on Jul 2, 2006 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The
season is 162 games...we need to stop being drama queens.  It isn't like we are 10 games out or anything like that.  If we go on a 4 game winning streak we are back in first.

by Agreen07 on Jul 2, 2006 10:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Word.
Everyone CTFD....calm the fuck down. We're at .500, and in the thick of the division race. Break down the other teams:

Anaheim: Done-zo. Done-zilla. Done-skis. Not going anywhere. Frankly, not that good.
Seattle: Not that good, will fall off in the second half.
Oakland: The team to beat, but really not anything special.
Texas: Slumping pretty much throughout the entire first half.

Look at it this way: The Rangers are a game and a half back even though Mark Teixeira has had a terrible first half, Michael Young's first half was average for him, Kevin Millwood's first half was sub-par, Brad Wilkerson's first half was sub-par, Gerald Laird is only playing one day a series, and Adam Eaton hasn't thrown a pitch.

Everyone just calm the fuck down. Seriously.

One time, Hank Blalock walked down the street with an erection. There were no survivors. www.tepblog.blogspot.com

by ghtd36 on Jul 2, 2006 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Judging
I don't think it's quick on the trigger to make an assessment when half the season is gone.  That's exactly the point where you do start to make decisions.

Granted the team played well in May but they didn't play well in April or June.  If they duplicate that over the rest of the season it would be two good months and four bad months.  Where will they be then?  The answer is .500 and that won't win anything in the AL this year.

Daniels will make changes; it's just a question of what changes he will make.  None of us can be sure what he will do but he seems to have a pattern of doing something.

I hear a lot of trade talk and Kevin Mench's name seems to keep coming up.  I think he's being mentioned because it seems he is not going to be a productive player here.

However, I'm sure every other team is aware of that as well.  They have video and scouts and ultimately you cannot hide the numbers.  Folks seem to think we can package one or two of our unwanted players for a productive player from another team.  That just isn't going to happen.

Getting better this year is going to cost a jewel or two from the organization.  If the club turns out to be a seller then they might net some good return, we can all look to Florida as a model of how that might work out.

But we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking the current roster can be one which wins the division.   The starting pitching is not strong enough which creates too much of a strain on the bullpen.  A strained bullpen cannot be a good bullpen.

People carp about the offense but the Rangers are outhitting the A's by a considerable margin, some 65 points of OPS.

The point being that the Rangers and A's are two different types of teams and it's up to Daniels to address the needs of this team at this time.  

Can he fix the deficiencies as they exist today so that the team will reach the post season?  Maybe he can, but does anyone out there think this team, even with any additions you might imagine, can beat the other division leaders and/or the wildcard team? This team doesn't feel like, for example, how the Mavericks felt at the half-way point.

If they cannot win in the post-season, and I don't think they can with today's roster, then why bother with some half-hearted attempt to make the post season in order to be swept right out?  

I think in order for the Rangers to make the post season this year the farm system will have to sacrifice some top prospects like Danks and Volquez.  

In order to win the division the Rangers will need to out-pitch the A's, not out-hit them.

by dugout19 on Jul 2, 2006 11:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All Star Break
I'm waiting until after the All-Star Break to start tearing down this year's team and building up next year's. I want to see what the break does for some of the underperforming offensive guys, and see what pitching reinforcements show up. I will say that Daniels should continue to field calls about Derosa, and Barajas. Also releasing Hairston, and letting Botts and Guzman get PT certainly could at least help, but ultimately it comes down to the big guys in the middle of the order.

by jcir454 on Jul 2, 2006 11:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wahh:(((((((((((((((((((((
:(((((

Be optimistic!

Baseball season begins...

by miles on Jul 2, 2006 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Matthews
What kind of market do you think Matthews has? Over on minoreleagueball.com, someone talks about Hughes from the Yankees as being a possiblity but that proposal is just laughable for a guy with one good year under his belt at his age for one of the top pitching prospects in the game.

I mean what type of prospect should we shoot for in reality? Would a Scott Baker type pitching propect be too much to ask for? I know that doesn't make sense for the Twins but I am just saying that type of prospect or a prospect on the same tier as Baker.

by JMcGee on Jul 2, 2006 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

too much?
Is this asking too much? I would have to think that a contending team might be willing to give up that much for a CF if they are in great need of one. Only a contending team would try to acquire him since he is a FA after the year or atleast that is what I would assume.

Contending teams in need of a quality CF: White Sox, Seattle (sad but in the West they are and Reed broke his thumb tonight), Astros, Giants, and Rockies.

I know some like GMJ but this career year most likely won't extend into further years and with this year he is bound to want quite a pay raise next year. I don't think it will be worth it and if we can get a quality prospect, then lets go for it.

It might actually be better to get a position prospect in exchange instead just because ours suck so bad. After seeing the roughriders play tonight, it has further solidified that fact.

by JMcGee on Jul 3, 2006 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh
simply put.

Wrong.

by Longhorn on Jul 3, 2006 1:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame this first part of the seaon
on one person, and that is Mark Teixeira...he is the cog for this offense and he is just pathetic right now...i feel a surge though in the 2nd half, and we will win the West...

by Longhorn on Jul 3, 2006 1:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i had that same thought
the pitching, given the eaton injury, really hasnt been much worse then expected.

some guys have contributed a little more then we thought, others (loe) have contributed less.  Its give and take but overall its not horribly beyond what we expected.

the problem is the middle of the lineup that produced so much last year.

Young is doing fine but not up to last year, tex is absolutely destroying the middle of the offense, and hank is barely above last years numbers.

Of course, tex isnt even a high priced free agent (although he is making a bit now).  he is just someone good enough that everyone had such huge expectations.  It probably actually is unfair to criticize him so much.  But regardless, if i had to pick one reason why the rangers are 50, itd would be tex.

thank god for matthews and derosa (other then tonight...ugh) otherwise they might be 10 under 500.

tex.......... please please please please recover in the 2nd half. please.  you dont have to have the .975 or so OPS i was expecting, but 20 hr, .290 or something for the 2nd half could be neough to win the very medicore AL West.

by DSheppard on Jul 3, 2006 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think somebody hit the nail on the head......
....last week, when they made a comment about the fans not identifying with the team like they did when Pudge, Juan, Raffy, etc. were here.  However, I think that is the same as the players right now, and this is because of Buck's formula...imo.

Think about how every game day, Adam posts the lineups for the game.  Honestly (although it is an appreciated gesture), it shouldn't have to be that way.  I believe it is hard for players who aren't sure if they are playing each day, or in the proverbial "dog house".

Personally, I enjoyed the Rangers more when I knew who "the guys" were on the team, even if they didn't win all the time.  I don't want to watch the "revolving door" in the lineup, much less the team itself.  I don't get excited about a new guy coming up every other week.  Earn your spot and keep your spot.

Buck has done this stuff forever, and I am not a fan of it.  Anytime a manager has so many self-made options for his lineup, I become disinterested.  I like rooting for "the guys" on 'the team", not just any guy(s) in the uniform of the team.

I said it prior to the season, and I'll say it again (no matter how decent he has done).  Anytime you are finding ways to fit Mark DeRosa into the lineup each day, you are screwed.  He is what he is, no better, no worse.

I said prior to the season what I thought the lineup should be, and not much has changed in my opinion.  However, the ever changing lineup and the STUPID decisions with the pitching staff have turned me off for the past month or so....no matter where they are in the standings.  I find it hard to pull for "the guys", when I don't even know who the guys are.

Its a stupid system and one thing that Buck has been known for in the past....building a team that someone else takes over and runs deep into the playoffs.  THAT IS THE PRIMARY MOVE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE...AND MADE SOON!!

I don't want to be bothered with the stupid Barajas vs. Laird business, when it is clear that Laird should be the starter...not just now, but for the future.  I don't want to be bothered with "fitting" DeRosa into the lineup.  I don't want to be bothered with some "new, young player" brought up for basically nothing.

Get your lineup and stick with it.  I understand why some players may be losing focus, because some do not respond well to not starting everyday, or not knowing how they, or others, fit into the equation.

I haven't really posted a "Bash Buck" comment before, but this dude needs to go....and fast.  For everything he is good at, he is destroying the focus and drive of individual players, which is affecting the team.  Buck's style has put out the fire in many of "the guys".

Honestly, I'd want out of here if I was playing for him.

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2006.

by Chaim Witz on Jul 3, 2006 6:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A little bitter
I think Adam will realize that the sun will rise in the east again today.  But even if this team isn't out of it yet, it is not showing any signs of being able to go anywhere in the playoffs if they should be so fortunate to fall into them in this weak division.

It is a shame to see this team breaking down defensively and seemingly not having any fire to hustle and make plays.  The summer swoon may be upon us, but the A's are not pulling away yet, so I will keep hoping to see some signs of life from these guys.

by manderskat on Jul 3, 2006 7:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Ranger's latest slide...
Started with the screwed-up umpiring in the San Francisco series.
Usually the downward spiral starts after the All-star game.
Maybe this year it will be an "upward" spiral.
Wharter

by Wharter on Jul 3, 2006 8:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute now!!!
All right I am Mr. Skeptical and all but where are our heads.  The team is at .500 and not all is as bad as it seams.  Buck has gotten the most out of this group as can be expected.  A team ERA of 4.79 without Eaton (Bad trade) and only two proven starters in Padilla and Millwood.  A true miricle from where I am sitting.  The team is hitting .280/.343./.447 about where you expec a Ranger team to be despite poor performances from Tex, Blalock and Mench.  There is hope for improvement.

The real problem is Hicks and little man JD.  Look at this roster and tell me they are a contender.  $53 Million in payroll is good enough for 25th in the majors.  Granted ejecting Nevin was a step in the right direction but where is the beef?  The Wilkerson/Soriano trade never led to more pitching.  The trade for Eaton was a disaster and will be for years.  The only Free Agent signing (Millwood) was a success.  But this team needs 2-3 or maybe more solid players.  How hard is it to find a corner OF that can hit?  A DH?? Or pay for a rotation that can keep us in the game?  Given where the Rangers are at now they should be able to add $30 million in payroll and still be around average in the majors.

The Farm is still barren of immediate help so why not invest in some FA's this offseason?

by Bigfan16 on Jul 3, 2006 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Corner Outfielders That Can Hit
The Cardinals were trying to replace Larry Walker and had ~$10-12M to spend to do it.  The best they could find was Juan Encarnacion and traded Ray King for Larry Bigbie.  Encarnacion is not having a bad year (.283/10/44), but those are basically Mench's numbers...and Mench is considerable cheaper.

by T Coleman on Jul 3, 2006 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:
The team is at .500 and not all is as bad as it seams.

Ok, that's possible.... OTOH, you follow the previous statement with this....

Buck has gotten the most out of this group as can be expected.

If this team "isn't as bad as it seams (sic)," how can that equate with "Buck getting the most out of this group that can be expected?"

And how does that equate with playing Barajas at least twice as frequently as Laird?

He's gotten a lot out of Matthews, Jr. and DeRosa, but the "stars" of the team have not performed.

The real problem is Hicks and little man JD.

Well, I'll agree that the main problem is Hicks. However, I'd say that Buck is more of a problem than Daniels is.

Look at this roster and tell me they are a contender.

I won't, because they aren't (and I've been saying this since the pre-season).

$53 Million in payroll is good enough for 25th in the majors.  Granted ejecting Nevin was a step in the right direction but where is the beef?

I don't mind them not spending money. I DO have a problem with them trading away the future of the team for an unrealistic (IMO) shot at the playoffs.

The Wilkerson/Soriano trade never led to more pitching.

It doesn't have to as long as they got back a good return. I'm very curious to see what Soriano brings in at the trade deadline. I don't think he'll bring in as much as some people believe, but I could be wrong.

The trade for Eaton was a disaster and will be for years.

Agreed. Hated that trade when it was made, after it was made, and still now. I don't care that Otsuka's closing well for a team which probably won't make the playoffs.

The only Free Agent signing (Millwood) was a success.

Well, considering that the only marquee signing WAS Millwood, this wouldn't be a bad thing.... if it were true. Millwood has been great on the ROAD, but horrible at home.... Not really sure why, but he's giving up a TON of walks at home and not striking out as many players.... Maybe, it IS tough to pitch in the Ballpark :p.

But this team needs 2-3 or maybe more solid players.

True.

How hard is it to find a corner OF that can hit?  A DH??

Well, pretty hard considering the FAs out there....

Or pay for a rotation that can keep us in the game?  Given where the Rangers are at now they should be able to add $30 million in payroll and still be around average in the majors.

Not worth it. Overpaying for sub-par pitchers is a quick way to mediocrity and worse. Of course, trading away good young prospects for sub-par pitchers is an even quicker way.

The Farm is still barren of immediate help so why not invest in some FA's this offseason?

I disagree. Volquez looks like he'll be able to help soon. As does Danks and maybe Diamond in the bullpen. Of course, we traded away our one good position player prospect who could have helped next year (yes, I'm including Arias), but it's not completely barren of immediate help.

Req

by Requiem on Jul 3, 2006 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Req
You seem crabby today.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 3, 2006 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Crabby
Well, I concede I might have been overly critical to start the day....

But I wasn't that crabby, until I got accused of being "condescending and arrogant" and "feeling a manly need to be right."

OTOH, nobody has been responding to what I've posted with anything close to a solid rebuttal. So, though I might be overly critical, it doesn't seem like I was incorrectly critical....

It feels like I'm arguing with a whole bunch of Sharkys right now which might explain why I might be crabby now. (If you remember, I don't like wasting time trying to argue with Sharky.)

Req

by Requiem on Jul 3, 2006 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: crabby
And now that I think about it, I was trying to clarify what the poster meant with his post.

So, that response probably wasn't that overly critical, either.

After all, my question is has Buck gotten the most out of the players or is the team better than it seems?

It's near impossible for both to be true....

Req

by Requiem on Jul 3, 2006 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bunch of Sharkys?
Ya' just can't stop insulting people, can you?

haha

by Dustin on Jul 3, 2006 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dustin
You aspire to be Sharky, so you should take Req's comment as a compliment. :)

(All in good fun.)

by tlt29 on Jul 3, 2006 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Req
No sense in arguing points that are so similar that we are just arguing semantics.  This team came out of Spring training looking like 83-85 wins and they are just baout on pace for that.  The payroll just isn't there to justify an additional expectation.  Pity really as the AL West looks to be very winnable this year.  The rotation has been too thin all season and now looks absolutely pathetic if Millwood is lost for any time.  Bick loves his role players unfortunately he plays then like everyday players.  We need a veteran bat or two (DH/LF/RF)then let Hairston and Barajas ride the bench.  Sure would take some pressure off TEX and Young.  We are right on pace with realistic expectations.  Unfortunately the management has not done anything to get excited about in years.  When will they try again?

by Bigfan16 on Jul 3, 2006 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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