The Oracle on Hunter to the Angels

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 22, 2007 10:07 AM CST in News

The Transaction Oracle weighs in.

Tweet Comment 30 comments | 0 recs |

Do you like this story?

Comments

BGL....

If the Angels are the Yankees of the West that is a bad thing for you and us (the fans).

by bdavison94 on Nov 22, 2007 10:30 AM CST reply actions

True.

I think most Ranger fans already hate the angels.

For me...I'd rather they just completely suck than have our boys play the bosox to their yankees. I'd take either scenario but a 60 win angels team is preferable.

by bdavison94 on Nov 22, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions

Long Term?

Think longterm?

lol.

Been thinking longterm for about 8 years now.

Boston? Yeah, I can think of 2 guys that helped them to win another WS - Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell. lol

If I were you, I'd be wishing teams like Anaheim, Yanks, or Boston would be interested in me.

by LBrooks on Nov 22, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions

yeah

David Wells sure looked like a Yankee.

"Maybe Brett Garnener will be there so I can beat the shit out of him." - miles

by Longhorn on Nov 22, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

FA

hum
the yankees will never be interested in me as long as I have long hair/ facial hair and tattoos and refuse to cover or cut them to "look like a yankee"

meanwhile most of their players are scumbags...true yankees in other words.

it's baseball not the us army. nobody is making me dress, speak or act any way I don't want to.

be real though- who cares who is interested in me? I'm not a free agent, therefore my concern lies in making this organization better presently and in the future.

oh yeah boston just called- manny ramirez for c.j. wilson straight up...gimme a break!

Yes I throw the gyro. No, not the greek sandwhich burrito thingy.

by blue glove lefty on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 01:15:44 PM CDT
[ Parent | Reply to This ]

I know you are not a FA. I like you on my team. I consider you a left handed Benoit.

But, when you become a FA, if the Yanks come a calling and offer you a deal of, say, 25 mil/4 yrs., and you need to cut your hair, shave your face, and laser off your tatoos, as opposed to a Rangers offer of 4 yrs/16 mil and they'll build you a tatoo parlor, which deal are you gonna take?

by LBrooks on Nov 23, 2007 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

Correction

if anything, Benoit is a right handed CJ Wilson.

I think CJ is CJ. He never needed convincing that he could shut the door. Benoit was great last year, but he has been average or worse for longer than he has been lights out. Just as an amateur observer, Benoit has peaked and CJ is on the rise.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Nov 26, 2007 5:50 PM CST up reply actions

+1

I'd like to pull an Indian Jones and the Temple of doom on the rally monkey.

"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

by jparks77 on Nov 22, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

What do you think

is the beset thing to do at this point, in terms of positioning for the future? I don't really think there is much in the free agent market that will accomplish that.
I don't think Rowand is the answer, Crisp would be helpful just to get someone out there that can handle the field.
It's pretty easy to appreciate the minor league depth in the organization, at this point; but what would you like to see happen this off season?

At any rate, I'm glad we didn't win the Hunter auction.

Happy Thanksgiving, BGL and everyone.

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Nov 22, 2007 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

jumbotrons

agreed, that stadium seriously needs some screens that can be seen from the outfield. heck, the jumbo tron was even a little hard to see from the suite i got to sit in last season, I had to lower my head to get an angle to see past the concrete overhang.

Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Nov 22, 2007 2:02 PM CST up reply actions

Amen Brother!!

My wife and eye argue over this every year. I enjoy the in between information and with my A.D.D. it drives me nuts to know there is something going on that I can't see. My wife on the other hand, is the daughter of a dermatologist and loves her some shade. We also have little children and she doesn't want them getting too hot.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Nov 26, 2007 5:54 PM CST up reply actions

Also....

please thank the bullpen catcher (Josh Frasier?) for the ball he tossed to my daughter in Seattle during the last series of the season. Very nice of him.

by bdavison94 on Nov 22, 2007 10:38 AM CST reply actions

I know it's a buisness and all...

but promise us you will never sign with the Yanks or Halos BGL.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 22, 2007 10:38 AM CST reply actions

I couldnt agree more.....

Damn Yanks. Im from New York and I've always been a ranger fan. Im 24 and love to hate the Yankees. Ive always hated Seattle tho more then the Angels but they are really starting to piss me off.

"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Nov 22, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions

best scenario

out of several I imagined with regards to the Angels. I feared they would either sign Arod or get Cabrera while still having lots of pitching. If they don't still go get Cabrera than this is adds to the GMJ albatross in a couple years.

OTOH, if they trade away several good players to get Tejeda or Cabrera than they've hurt themselves in the long run that way, too.

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Nov 22, 2007 11:16 AM CST reply actions

They arent trading you......

please you could possibly save our bullpen next year. Not to mention I think you have alot of unfinished business being a starter.

Rangers offer to Hunter 5yr 75 mil. There was an option for a sixth year.

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071122&content_id=2306655&vkey=news_tex& amp;fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Nov 22, 2007 11:16 AM CST reply actions

75 million

fair and reasonable offer, but didnt have a great chance of getting him.

really im fine with it, but hunter was not my ideal choice... and he was supposedly their #1.. so its kind of weak from that perspective.

i hope now that the primary big money guy is gone they really work to get something done with the remaining options...

by DShep on Nov 22, 2007 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

lol

"We shocked the world. Now I'm an Angel. I'm going to hopefully finish my career as a Halo, and hopefully get about three [World Series] rings out of this thing."

Yeah, we're shocked you got that much money because you are not worth it. I can't wait until Padilla plants a fastball at his chin.

"Maybe Brett Garnener will be there so I can beat the shit out of him." - miles

by Longhorn on Nov 22, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions

Geeze...

someone has a high opinion of themselves. Honestly, I wouldn't have been all that excited if the Rangers would have signed him.

by bflood36 on Nov 22, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions

Now that we've dodged Hunter ...

who do you think will be your bosses' next target?

by Athos on Nov 22, 2007 11:54 AM CST reply actions

I would hope we make a serious bid

for Rowand but if we dont sign him, I wouldn't mind being agressive to get crisp in here. Of course I wouldn't move salty or Tea to get him but maybe adding in someone else. I wouldnt add Benoit as I fell he has a good shot at being an 08 team MVP. But I would add Duran or Littleton of Franky. I would focus on Laird being the centerpiece but if they dont want to do that then I talk blockbuster with them. Maybe Salty and Benoit for Elsbury or something along that calibur.

"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Nov 22, 2007 12:00 PM CST up reply actions

Hicks Dinner Scenario

I can imagine it now - the Hicks sitdown dinner with Hunter.

Before the dinner, Hicks and his lawnboy (JD) map out their strategy.

Here's what we are preapred to offer. 5/75. But, let's not make the offer until we ask him what he's been offered by others.

Hunter and his agent says they have a 5/90 deal on the table.

Hicks and Daniels then proceed to tell Hunter that this team is 1 or 2 years away from contending.

LOL

by LBrooks on Nov 22, 2007 11:55 AM CST reply actions

Meet

LBrooks-Professional Asshole.

You're hijacking the thread and being repetitive. Move forward.

by Rodney on Nov 22, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions

Hey don't

Hurt his feelings. This may be his last hangout.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Nov 22, 2007 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

LE said:

"Way to kill that holiday mood, Ed !"

hehe

;-)

You're hijacking the thread and being repetitive. Move forward.

by Rodney on Nov 22, 2007 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

Hangout

[new] Hey don't
Hurt his feelings. This may be his last hangout.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:38:21 PM CDT

Last hangout? What's this supposed to mean? That you are about to become the moderator of this forum? What a jerk.

by LBrooks on Nov 23, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions

As Opposed to.....

........the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of Arlington!

by LBrooks on Nov 22, 2007 11:58 AM CST reply actions

This makes them better next year

maybe even in '09.

But in '10-'12, this is gonna be a Godsend for us.

Ben Franklin. Gandhi. Jackie Robinson. Winston Churchill. Martin Luther King. Jesus Christ. And now... Dwyade!!!

by thedirkatron on Nov 22, 2007 1:28 PM CST reply actions

amen bro!!!

Duncan Hunter for President in '08

by dstar442005 on Nov 22, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

Well....

It's only a Godsend if Arte Moreno starts operating with a budget.

If he just keeps covering his mistakes (GMJ) with more overspending (Hunter), I'm not sure what it does for us.

by Darrell McKown on Nov 22, 2007 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

I would've been ambivalent about signing Hunter,

but I don't like that the Angels signed him. Thinking long term is not a very inspiring approach to the next year or two. The Rangers have been playing for the future since 2004.

The number one thing that irks me is that it places a little more distance between the Rangers and Halos for the next year or two. Not a quantum leap, true. But, the Angels have improved their OF defense, the offense from their DH/OF rotation, and have some serious either trade ammo or future talent in the field in Wood, Kendrick, Figgins, Kotchman, Morales, Saunders, Adenhart, Weaver, Shields, Santana, and so on.

The trouble with being patient with the Rangers building plan is that over the same period the Angels will continue to build as well. Who's to say the Ranger's deep minor league system will produce the players necessary for the Rangers to catch the Angels by 2009 or 2010. Even if both Matthews and Hunter slip a bit by then, the Angels are probably in a revenue bracket that allows them to be able to get less bang for the buck out of some of their veterans (like Garret Anderson the past couple of years) and still have the financial wherewhithall to add impact players via FA.

I do agree that it isn't a bad thing the Rangers did not commit 5/75 to Hunter. But, it is a bad thing that Hunter went to the Angels. The GMJ signing probably made little to no improvement to the Angels. Hunter improves them for certain over the next couple of years, and who knows what pieces will be added to keep the Angels competitive beyond then. I doubt they'll resign Anderson after 2008. So, maybe, they'll get Manny to replace him. I'm certain they'll extend Vlad. They have the pieces to trade for Miggy or Bedard or Santana. I don't like the moves the Angels are making this offseason.

Colbert/Colbert '08

by rooster on Nov 22, 2007 6:42 PM CST reply actions