Clemens implicated in Mitchell Report

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 13, 2007 10:31 AM CST in News

A former New York Yankee strength trainer says information he provided to the George Mitchell investigation regarding supplying Roger Clemens with steroids is included in the Mitchell report scheduled to be released later today, a source close to the trainer told ESPN The Magazine's Shaun Assael.

Brian McNamee, who worked for the Yankees and as a personal trainer for Clemens and Yankee teammates Andy Pettitte, also told investigators that on at least one occasion, Clemens was in possession of steroids from another supplier, the source said.

The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was witih the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.

Can't say I'm surprised. I'd heard some rumblings that Clemens was one of the bigger names that would be in the Mitchell Report.

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NFT: Unofficial List of Players on Mitchell Report - off wire : 10:39 am

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tej ada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood

by jparks77 on Dec 13, 2007 10:23 AM CST reply actions

milton bradley

woohoo.

by DShep on Dec 13, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions

It makes me laugh

that Neifi Perez used roids. How bad must he have been without them.

"As of now they're (The Astros) world series favorites. Period." - Sharky

by DJCahill on Dec 13, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions

Is there a single name that surprises anyone?

**I'm assuming 'Manny Alexander' is supposed to be Manny Ramirez

**Pujols is maybe a slight surprise, other than that any one of us could have put this list together.

by cgolden on Dec 13, 2007 10:40 AM CST up reply actions

Pettitte

by jparks77 on Dec 13, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions

re

Manny Alexander is Manny Alexander.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/alexama02.shtml

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions

Alexander

is actually a former Ranger spare.

Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Dec 13, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions

im kinda surprised

they brought up caminiti and kile, both. dont really see the point in that.

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Dec 13, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

thinking the same thing

but i guess it drives home the point that if you use, there can be fatal consequences - though both died of presumably unrelated causes

by ab03 on Dec 13, 2007 11:19 AM CST up reply actions

the point

I think that it is being missed here. The point isn't to drag people through the mud as some seem to think the point is to put all the known information in the public eye. Being dead doesn't take away what they did on the field so why should it take away what they've done off the field. This is like if there was a shooting between members of rival gangs and you didn't let the police consider the deceased as gang members so they had to label it random homicide because since they're dead they are absolved of all earthly sins.

Besides Caminiti himself "dragged his name" by admitting it.

by bushe on Dec 13, 2007 12:07 PM CST up reply actions

Jason Varitek

Woah.. a current Red Sox player. Didn't think that was going to happen. (If this list is accurate)

by mattrpav on Dec 13, 2007 10:41 AM CST up reply actions

He suprised me too

The Red Sox captain? That's pretty big.

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 10:44 AM CST up reply actions

Wow

Juan Gonzalez did so many roids, he was listed twice

by badradiorules on Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

"This guy is dead?"

well mark him off then...

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Dec 13, 2007 10:25 AM CST reply actions

meant as a reply to jparks

oops...

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Dec 13, 2007 10:26 AM CST up reply actions

Great line...

from my favorite baseball movie.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 13, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions

Wow Juan Gonzalez must

really been using that stuff. He did it so much that he got listed twice.

by Coolbean04 on Dec 13, 2007 10:26 AM CST reply actions

Wally friggin Joyner?

when was this? 1986?

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Dec 13, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions

Troy Glaus, too.

For those of you who are proofreaders.

"I've learned that before I open my mouth, I should look both ways for midgets." - Denny Crain

by mtex on Dec 13, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions

Imagine if Arod was on the list

that would be crazy.

by Coolbean04 on Dec 13, 2007 10:27 AM CST reply actions

arod

well, i haven't seen a full complete list anywhere so don't assume he isn't

Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Dec 13, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions

Rangers

Milton Bradley
Ken Caminiti
Jose Canseco
Carl Everett
Juan Gonzalez
Eric Gagne
Jerry Hairston
Rafael Palmiero
John Rocker
Pudge Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa
David Segui
Fernando Tatis
Ismael Valdez

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Dec 13, 2007 10:32 AM CST reply actions

Spairston

So he slugs .253 and .289 in '06 and '07 at age 30 and 31 ... while on 'roids.

Unbelievable.

T.R. -- enough is enough.

by inactive lsb user on Dec 13, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

Why don't they just say

"all of the 90's Rangers" Except for the Great Rusty Greer of course. Pujols: can't say I'm shocked.

Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Dec 13, 2007 10:33 AM CST reply actions

Rangers All-Mitchell Report Lineup

Ken Caminiti
Jose Canseco
Carl Everett
Juan Gonzalez
Eric Gagne
Jerry Hairston
Rafael Palmiero
John Rocker
Pudge Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa
David Segui
Ismael Valdez

we need a 3b and a ss but i think we got enough to fill the rest of the lineup.

ps: Kile and Caminiti? whats the point in publicizing and running guys names through the mud of guy that are dead? kinda classless?

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Dec 13, 2007 10:35 AM CST reply actions

Caminiti admitted to using..

.. and Kile's autopsy came up positive for weed. Not sure this tarnishes their reps any worse.

by mattrpav on Dec 13, 2007 10:47 AM CST up reply actions

i would say

being outed for illegal steroid use tarnishes one's reputation worse than one positive marijuana test, dead or alive.

by Brian Hayes on Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM CST up reply actions

Kile

link?

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions

Kile

One of the other findings in his autopsy was that he had an enlarged heart.. which some speculated was a side effect of steroid use.

by mattrpav on Dec 13, 2007 11:33 AM CST up reply actions

Hahahahaaaaa

Rich "El Guapo" Garces is on the list. Steroids apparently make you morbidly obese.

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 10:51 AM CST reply actions

Tatis?

What was he trying to do, grow his head to match the ears?

If there is one lawyer in town, he goes broke. If there are two, they both get rich

by Taylor on Dec 13, 2007 10:54 AM CST reply actions

LOL!!

GENIUS!!! GENIUS I SAY!!!

Elijah Dukes.....now there's a guy who stays in the "box" too long

by MATEO LEG on Dec 13, 2007 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

So......

Does this make Ken Griffey Jr. the greatest non-steroid hitter of the last 20 years??

Put Mayberry Jr. back at First Base.

by Jukebox Joe on Dec 13, 2007 10:54 AM CST reply actions

ARod.

"As of now they're (The Astros) world series favorites. Period." - Sharky

by DJCahill on Dec 13, 2007 10:56 AM CST up reply actions

probably

A-Rod.

And Frank Thomas is probably also ahead of Griffey if we're talking purely about hitting exploits only.

by Brian Hayes on Dec 13, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

its not like this actually names all steroid users

just the handful they got some kind of evidence on.

i think you have to give griffey the benefit of the doubt, but we dont know.

by DShep on Dec 13, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions

which would

explain his injuries

by jparks77 on Dec 13, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions

griffey

Agreed, the guy is one amazing natural athlete it's a shame injuries hurt his career so badly.

Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Dec 13, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

Off Topic - Toys for Tots

CJ,

Will you be at the Toys for Tots Drive at The Ballpark tonight with Ian Kinsler?

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/tex/fan_forum/appearances.jsp

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

Griffey, IIRC

once professed to have never lifted a weight in his life.

T.R. -- enough is enough.

by inactive lsb user on Dec 13, 2007 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

Manny Ramirez

He's not on the list, and if that guy's head is in the game, I'd rather have him hitting for me than anyone else in my lifetime.

But that's a big if.

ARod is up there too. They are just in a class above The Big Hurt and Junior. If clean, you have to remember that ARod and Manny were STILL better hitters than all the juicers.

by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2007 11:32 AM CST up reply actions

Who gets into the Hall of Fame first?

Clemens or McGwire???

Or do they even get in?

Put Mayberry Jr. back at First Base.

by Jukebox Joe on Dec 13, 2007 10:56 AM CST reply actions

No doubt about Clemens

Clemens is a lock regardless if he is on the official list or not.

by Houston27 on Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions

There lies the BS....

He should be hated as much as Barry....

Put Mayberry Jr. back at First Base.

by Jukebox Joe on Dec 13, 2007 11:07 AM CST up reply actions

+1

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Dec 13, 2007 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

McGwire

should be a lock also.

Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 13, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions

The difference in my highly uneducated opinion

Is McGwire supposedly used his whole career meaning he probably wasn't HOF caliber without them while Clemens and Bonds presumably used only to extend thier careers or change thier game late in their career. It wouldn't be too difficult to argue that both were HOF prior to 1998 or 1999.

by cgolden on Dec 13, 2007 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

Not that I disagree

but, then how do you explain 49 HRs a relatively thin rookie?

by badradiorules on Dec 13, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

If we can believe Canseco

(big IF, I know) He and McGwire were taking Roids when he was a rookie.

by cgolden on Dec 13, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

No wonder

Peter Angelos traded Tejada yesterday.

by chrisR on Dec 13, 2007 11:01 AM CST reply actions

That...

was the first thing i thought of...what great timing.

Elijah Dukes.....now there's a guy who stays in the "box" too long

by MATEO LEG on Dec 13, 2007 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

Astros

Why would the Astros take him if his name is on the list? Surely they can't be that dumb!

If there is one lawyer in town, he goes broke. If there are two, they both get rich

by Taylor on Dec 13, 2007 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

Clemens will get in...

The media loves the guy...Makes me sick. They have turned their backs on McGwire / Bonds / Raffy, etc...won't happen with the golden boy however. He is a Yankee and Red Sox great, so they will talk about what a great competitor he was, blah, blah, blah. Screw Clemens.

by JB @ Lone Star Ball on Dec 13, 2007 11:02 AM CST reply actions

I despise Clemens also..

but you are right, he is getting in. Bonds will be in easily as well. Basically any guy who would have been in prior to 1998 will be in.

by Houston27 on Dec 13, 2007 11:06 AM CST up reply actions

He should get in

He's probably one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball history. Bonds is one of the greatest hitters ever. Raffy was borderline. He had some good season and has some nice round career numbers, but he just doesn't seem to be HoF to me. McGwire had some incredible seasons but his career numbers don't match up.

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 11:13 AM CST up reply actions

its a good way to look at it

if you are borderline and you used, you're not getting in. however, if you are a lock anyway, steroids shouldn't take it away from you.

at least that's how i'd vote. completely subjective anyway.

by ab03 on Dec 13, 2007 11:22 AM CST up reply actions

The List..

Will lessen some of the stigma against guys that were singled out like Bonds, McGwire, and Palmeiro. This is a good day for those guys.

Once Bonds and Clemens get in the Hall, it will "break the seal" and McGwire and Raffy won't be far behind.

by Topgun22 on Dec 13, 2007 11:21 AM CST reply actions

Who the list benefits:

Arod, Bonds, Schilling, Mark Prior, Ken Griffey Jr., Fred McGriff(?), Frank Thomas, Kevin Mench (see - my head is naturally big), the old Braves pitchers...

Arod has to be front and center though

by ab03 on Dec 13, 2007 11:25 AM CST up reply actions

Good point on the Crime Dog

His great career was diminished in most people's eyes because he wasn't putting up the numbers that Gonzalez and everyone else were in the late '90s.

This may be what he needed to be remembered. The problem is most people have already forgotten him.

by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions

well

he's always been compared to raffy as basically the same guy with raffy being slightly better and people advocating raffy to go to the hall rather than mcgriff. outside of the hall, this would tilt the scales maybe so that people consider him the better one.

by ab03 on Dec 13, 2007 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

and

i have to think borderline guys are not going to get in. Already, people were wondering whether new lines needed to be drawn in the offensive explosion era. Confirmation of steroids is just going to solidify the argument.

by ab03 on Dec 13, 2007 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

McGwire

career .263/.394/.588 162 OPS+

career slg pct is 9th all time

career OPS is 11th all time

How do those numbers not match up?

Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 AM CST reply actions

Fake

List being denied by MLB officials.

http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html

by neatfreakgeek on Dec 13, 2007 11:26 AM CST reply actions

Inaccuracies

I'm guessing Pettitte is one of them. Someone just threw him on there due to the fact his name was included in the Clemens story.

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions

The real list

will probably contain more former Rangers.

by jparks77 on Dec 13, 2007 11:55 AM CST up reply actions

Noooo

Not Brian Downing.

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions

Please

not David Hulse, Jeff Huson or Wayne Tollison

by badradiorules on Dec 13, 2007 12:38 PM CST up reply actions

Brian Roberts

Good luck trading him now.

Let's call the Mets to see if they still want Laird; seeing that Ramon Castro is also on the list.

Pre-historic Julio Franco not on Mitchel's list?

by chrisR on Dec 13, 2007 11:33 AM CST reply actions

Julio Franco

Maybe George Mitchell just has respect for his elders...

by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

maybe so...

but not for the dead (see Darryl Kile)

by chrisR on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

I wonder how the report itself reads

considering the timeframe, this obviously can't be a comprehensive list. It probably cant' even come close to comprehensive considerign the hundreds of players that have played through the major leagues. Is every team represented? Does every team have a guy affiliated with them (either as a trainer or a friend of an athlete), that named some names?

by ab03 on Dec 13, 2007 11:38 AM CST reply actions

Other considerations

How much weight did Mitchell put in sources like Jose Canseco? He may be the source of all those '90s Rangers, who he implicated in his book.

Is being "named" being someone where there is conclusive evidence, or is this just a consolidation of rumors? Obviously it will be a spectrum

by JBImaknee on Dec 13, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions

That list

Maybe it's true, but to me, anyone could have put that list together. All it basically lists are people that have tested positive, people that have been linked to Grimsley or the Fla steroid bust or other reports, or people that admitted to them. Someone with a couple days to kill could do that. Although, maybe that's all the Mitchell Report is - a convenient collection of news reports.

"When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents 'til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!" LBrooks

by WyoRanger on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM CST reply actions

i still think

kenny rogers will be on that list, that guy is pretty damn old and stayed pretty healthy. and can you say roid rage???

by weslyenkid01 on Dec 13, 2007 11:43 AM CST reply actions

See, I have the opposite

impression of what Steroids will do to you...
It won't keep you healthy, instead it will begin to deteriorate your body.
Sort of what happened with Bonds.

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Dec 13, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions

Pujols and Varitek

Biggest shockers to me. And the Pujols one is a HUGE, HUGE shot to the game. He, aside from Clemens, is probably the biggest name on the list, and especially being so young...man, that's killer.

"People hated Jackie Robinson because he was black. People hate Barry Bonds because he's a cheating douchebag." -- Lewis Black

by ghtd36 on Dec 13, 2007 12:14 PM CST reply actions

Pujols is not on the list and neither is Sosa!

Gagne and Varitek are on the list.

Red Sux Nation is an evil organization.

by BillyBobisdrunk on Dec 13, 2007 2:23 PM CST reply actions

we're sorry for the steroid era

The clubs should have a few games a year where they let fans in for free and the players play without pay. They could be the 'We're Sorry We're Such Greedy Slimy Cheats' nights. Attendance would be very good, and they'd sell a lot of beer.

by jcAustin on Dec 13, 2007 2:56 PM CST reply actions