PTBNL in Guzman deal is Chris Shelton

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2007 8:34 PM CST in News

T.R. Sullivan says that the PTBNL in the Freddy Guzman trade is Chris Shelton.

Very solid pickup there. I've liked Shelton for a while, and he clearly had worn out his welcome in Detroit.

I expect Shelton to be the Opening Day first baseman.

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He's still

only 27 so its an aight pickup...

by miles on Dec 5, 2007 8:18 PM CST reply actions

I guess with the current roster cat is LF then

but if we can get a OF, shelton would be a great platoon partner at 1b for cat. or lamb if we wanted to, but i imagine they wouldnt bother with lamb after getting shelton.

by DShep on Dec 5, 2007 8:19 PM CST reply actions

as pointed out to me on newberg boards..

he has better numbers against righties.

weird.

by DShep on Dec 5, 2007 8:20 PM CST up reply actions

Shelton was DFA'd last week

I suppose they were worried that somebody else would grab him off waivers?

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by jtts on Dec 5, 2007 8:23 PM CST reply actions

Solid Pickup

Ive said before we should bring him in.

"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Dec 5, 2007 8:26 PM CST reply actions

pretty good

pick up here.

Traded a guy who wasn't going to make a huge impact in the outfield mix next year for a guy who will most likely start at first next season.

McLovin...What a great name, sounds like a sexy hamburger

by Lonerangers on Dec 5, 2007 8:26 PM CST reply actions

This

is a great trade. What was Freddy Guzman to us? Nothing. Chris Shelton is an adequate 1B.

It seems like just yesterday that Chris Shelton went 8-16 against us two years ago in the second series of the season. I became a fan of him after that. Good trade for both sides. Good job JD!

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 8:28 PM CST reply actions

Yeah

I remember that very well too.

by brettgardner on Dec 5, 2007 8:30 PM CST up reply actions

It was painful

the Rangers made him look like Babe Ruth.

by BHill on Dec 5, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions

If I remember correctly...

Half of the Tigers' and Shelton's hr's that year came off of RA Dickey so you have to keep that in mind. The Dickey effect is much more weighted then park effects atleast.

by slimshadty12 on Dec 6, 2007 12:56 AM CST up reply actions

Nice move by JD

Great pickup.

I think I pointed out that Shelton would be a great pickup in another thread when he was DFA'ed.

Glad to see JD was on the ball for this one.

Shelton will be in his year 28 season and have 4 years until his FA.

Req

by Requiem on Dec 5, 2007 8:29 PM CST reply actions

nice

When shelton came up the other day and then maybe sullivan mentioned dropping freddy, I thought trading the two would be a good idea.

Who says jd hasn't been doing anything?

"He says we're going the wrong way." "Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?" "Yeah. How would he know?"

by WyoRanger on Dec 5, 2007 8:30 PM CST reply actions

since the PTBNL

has been announced, I guess we aren't eligible to participate in rule 5 draft, right?

Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 5, 2007 8:34 PM CST reply actions

We are

The PTBNL won't be officially named until after the Rule 5 draft.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions

awesome

but why announce Shelton now? What if we pick someone in the Rule V? No more Shelton? Someone else?

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 8:39 PM CST up reply actions

Shelton

I imagine the Rangers would drop someone else from the 40-man if they need to clear room for Shelton.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Dec 5, 2007 8:42 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not seeing this "announcement"

that you guys are talking about. Beat reporters reporting it doesn't equate to an official team announcement.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 8:47 PM CST up reply actions

I imagine....

Bill White could be dropped pretty readily.

Also, Feldman might be someone else we could drop fairly easily.

Req

by Requiem on Dec 5, 2007 8:56 PM CST up reply actions

Also

Nick Gorneault could be a candidate to go.

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Dec 5, 2007 9:04 PM CST up reply actions

...is reporting that because Texas is trading for Shelton before he cleared waivers, he immediately goes onto the 40-man roster, filling the roster and prohibiting the Rangers from participating in tomorrow morning's Rule V draft - barring, of course, another roster move in the next few hours.

That doesn't seem to jive with what I'm coming up with, or with what Adam is saying either, though. Any thoughts?

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Dec 5, 2007 9:10 PM CST up reply actions

I'm sure that's true

considering how specific his report is. As Req says above, I don't think that they exactly are stacked at the back end of their roster. The only thing is that they're a little low to feel too sure about any particular guy that they might be interested in falling. While people have a pretty good idea of what could happen, trades could change things.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 9:19 PM CST up reply actions

That'd

be my guess. I don't see anyone else on the 40 who's really worth getting rid of at this point. But who knows--maybe another Rule V trade tommorrow?

by brettgardner on Dec 5, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions

Just speculating, but

I assume that it's still not official and that to whatever degree they were looking at making a pick, they probably still are.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions

Just a question

to you or Adam or anyone--if the Rangers really wanted Barton, is he really worth it?

by brettgardner on Dec 5, 2007 8:41 PM CST up reply actions

Is he worth what?

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 8:43 PM CST up reply actions

i think

he's asking if barton is worth taking and keeping on the 25man all year

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by rentz on Dec 5, 2007 8:44 PM CST up reply actions

Barton

i think he's worth it, he'd become the rangers best outfielder (though not saying a ton this year)
but i don't think he falls to them

Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Dec 5, 2007 8:44 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah

I doubt it too. Maybe another trade for the #1 pick though?

by brettgardner on Dec 5, 2007 8:46 PM CST up reply actions

i think they should make a real effort to get him

if any team should be able to carry him its the rangers...

although if cat goes to left for shelton to be the everyday 1b, things would be crowded.

by DShep on Dec 5, 2007 8:50 PM CST up reply actions

not so fast

Jon Daniels says Sean Casey is a possibility for first this year.

by meatbonelefty on Dec 5, 2007 8:55 PM CST up reply actions

1b

i'd say the acquisition of shelton probably nullifies the interest they had in casey

Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Dec 5, 2007 8:58 PM CST up reply actions

Then

I guess you have to ask who's more valuable--Byrd or Barton.

by brettgardner on Dec 5, 2007 8:59 PM CST up reply actions

He may fall

I kind of figured he would go #1 to Tampa Bay since they just traded Young and Dukes, but according to Baseball America the Rays are not interested in him at all. There is apparently some concern over his knee, which is causing teams to lose interest in him. If he falls to us, I would love to take him. He may not be quite ready for the big leagues, but neither is Nelson Cruz and he will probably start every day for us.

by uthornfan on Dec 5, 2007 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

what

about lubanksi. What are people's thoughts on him?

McLovin...What a great name, sounds like a sexy hamburger

by Lonerangers on Dec 5, 2007 9:01 PM CST up reply actions

Weird

His middle name is Bob. Not Robert, Bob.

by Spoorts!! on Dec 5, 2007 8:36 PM CST reply actions

Well

he is from Utah......ya know how that is ;)

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions

AJM

if you expect Shelton to be the opening day 1st baseman, then you think Cat will be in the OF? No Shelton/Cat lefty/righty platoon?

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 8:36 PM CST reply actions

i'm just a little excited

that something actually happened.

by Longhorn on Dec 5, 2007 8:42 PM CST reply actions

heh

Alan Matthews was in a hurry to do the top 10 prospects for the Dodgers...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/organizationtop10/2007/

Hopefully someone will get antsy on the Rangers top 10.

by Longhorn on Dec 5, 2007 8:45 PM CST reply actions

That's just the order they set

for the NL West. It's not happening in alphabetical order.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 8:48 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't mind acquiring

Delwyn Young. He has shown the ability to hit for average, albeit it at an advanced age and at one of the more hitter-friendly ballparks around.

He is completely blocked in LA. I wonder what it would cost.

by clark on Dec 5, 2007 10:53 PM CST up reply actions

At least...

he is on our side now.

I remember how much this guy pissed me off when he went all Vlad on us in that first series in '06.

by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 5, 2007 8:50 PM CST reply actions

And then

basically sucked the rest of the year after a hot start.

by miles on Dec 5, 2007 8:58 PM CST up reply actions

TR's notes

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071205&content_id=2319017&vkey=news_tex& amp;fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

JD is trying his best, and i love it...

The Rangers have investigated a number of center-field scenarios and there was some discussion about the possibility of making a deal with the Mariners for outfielder Adam Jones.

and Ron Washington is back baby...well, this is the firt i've heard from him this offseason...

"If Milton Bradley is available to the Texas Rangers, then Ron Washington would certainly want him," Washington said

by Longhorn on Dec 5, 2007 8:57 PM CST reply actions

i like

how Ron is referring to himself in the 3rd person now.

McLovin...What a great name, sounds like a sexy hamburger

by Lonerangers on Dec 5, 2007 8:59 PM CST up reply actions

Remind you

Of Nate Newton's "that's how things are in Nate's world" ?

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Dec 5, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions

Is that

just a case of unnecessary quotation or was Ron Washington really speaking in the third-person?

by brettgardner on Dec 5, 2007 9:02 PM CST up reply actions

i would love to get adam jones

and think he would be worth paying fair (high) value for.

although the way it was mentioned doesnt sound like its actually a possibility.

im not surprised RW likes milton since he was on the a's with him.

if bradley wasnt hurt i wouldnt be as opposed as most people would be, but i dont want to bet on a recovering injury prone guy with his issues. i wont be surprised if RW's influence and the lack of success getting other OFs made it happen though.

by DShep on Dec 5, 2007 9:09 PM CST up reply actions

In that case

we could get a good look at our in-house candidates during that time: Gorneault, Byrd, Murphy, Cruz,
Catalanotto could play out there, and maybe Boggs.

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 9:10 PM CST up reply actions

I bet

Milton still manages to get into some sort of argument with an ump or something while on the DL.

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 5, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions

i think it was pretty obvious the

ump was way out of line in that incident.

by Longhorn on Dec 5, 2007 9:15 PM CST up reply actions

wasn't referring

to any one incident, just his proclivity for finding a way into such things. Yes, the ump was an asshole in that instance.

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 6, 2007 12:41 AM CST up reply actions

all you need is love...

and a few million dollars, a good psychiatrist, some good drugs and some ladies

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 6, 2007 8:21 AM CST up reply actions

3rd person!!!!

I love it!!!

And I want Milton Bradley too. He's an OBP hog! I don't care if he is out the first couple weeks/months, that could give us a good look at our in-house candidates to fill the other two spots when Milton gets back.

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions

Wow

That's a great trade. Very impressive move by JD.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Dec 5, 2007 9:02 PM CST reply actions

Steroids?

Your Texas Rangers...2007-Playing for the Future, 2010-Playing for the Future, 2013-Playing for the Future, 2017-Playing for the Future

by Agreen07 on Dec 5, 2007 9:03 PM CST reply actions

Similar Batters -- This is Intresting

1. Troy Neel
2. Ryan Garko
3. Conor Jackson
4. Mark Quinn
5. Mike Jacobs
6. Chris Richard
7. Pancho Herrera
8. Ross Gload
9. Corey Hart
10. Jeremy Hermida

This is a pretty good list that Shelton compares to

"Dwyade is to basketball what the 40 is to the Rangers." -thedirkatron

by coolaid on Dec 5, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions

Troy Neel

Jackass extraordinaire.

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/cs/evaders/evader_all.php?start=H&end=Q

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 5, 2007 9:20 PM CST up reply actions

wait

is there a Vanuatu, TX or did he actually move to the island nation to try to get out of child support?

by ab03 on Dec 5, 2007 9:32 PM CST up reply actions

LOL

What a piece of shit.

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 5, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions

What

a d-bag.

Does that mean they are trying to find him or what?

by miles on Dec 5, 2007 9:44 PM CST up reply actions

well

if he is in vanuatu, i'm not sure what recourse texas has

by ab03 on Dec 5, 2007 9:47 PM CST up reply actions

Lets

pick up Bobby Kielty so that we can have two firecrotches on the same team...

by miles on Dec 5, 2007 9:22 PM CST reply actions

They're called

Gingerkids.

http://www.gingerkids.org/

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 9:25 PM CST up reply actions

that is hilarious

"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 5, 2007 9:26 PM CST up reply actions

its a

freaking .org site

funny

"Dwyade is to basketball what the 40 is to the Rangers." -thedirkatron

by coolaid on Dec 5, 2007 9:32 PM CST up reply actions

did south park come first though?

by ab03 on Dec 5, 2007 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah pretty sure

by Brett Perryman on Dec 5, 2007 9:35 PM CST up reply actions

ahahaha

"we are people too...even if we don't have souls"

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 6, 2007 8:24 AM CST up reply actions

yeah

firecroctch title is usually reserved for girls

by ab03 on Dec 5, 2007 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

No.

Its not.

by miles on Dec 5, 2007 9:39 PM CST up reply actions

luckily, gingerkids.org addresses this issue

7) Why do people call Ginger Kids "fire crotch"? Are there crotches really on fire?

A common misconception is that Ginger Kids' crotches are actually engulfed in flames. The truth is "fire crotch" comes from the fact that Ginger Kids have red pubic hair. It is similar to the nickname "Carrot Top".

Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 5, 2007 10:25 PM CST up reply actions

Nope

I've never thought of it as gender specific at all.

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 5, 2007 10:28 PM CST up reply actions

You may be thinking of

fire*bush*

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 5, 2007 10:29 PM CST up reply actions

the word "firecrotch" was coined...

by a friend of mine here in L A. Brandon Davis the richest kid in hollywood referred to Lindsay Lohan as
"firecrotch" a couple of years ago. Thats where the
word came from. It was all over the entertainment channels at the time and t-shirts were made shortly thereafter.

" The kids at school will make fun of me if you're a Ranger. They're terrible!" Torii Hunters son

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 5, 2007 10:39 PM CST up reply actions

that's what i was thinking of actually

although i always thought brandon davis got it from somebody else

by ab03 on Dec 5, 2007 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

ha ha no it was Brandon..

I remember the video clip very well "Lindsay Lohan is a firecrotch" Brandon says in a drunked stupor. Coincidentally the original "firecrotch" was looking at apartments in my bldg. last week. I think she's gonna buy the one 2 levels up.

" The kids at school will make fun of me if you're a Ranger. They're terrible!" Torii Hunters son

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 5, 2007 11:00 PM CST up reply actions

has* a firecrotch

" The kids at school will make fun of me if you're a Ranger. They're terrible!" Torii Hunters son

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 5, 2007 11:03 PM CST up reply actions

Really???

"firecrotch" has been used since I was kid for anyone with "red" hair.

Don't think your friend was the first to use it, sorry.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 5, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions

It may have been used since ...

then but famous wealthy people have a way of
turning obscure words into popular words via
the media.

" The kids at school will make fun of me if you're a Ranger. They're terrible!" Torii Hunters son

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 5, 2007 11:02 PM CST up reply actions

famous people like Brendan Harris?

The SS?

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 6, 2007 12:32 AM CST up reply actions

Nope.

I've heard that phrase since the early 90's.

by lexrob on Dec 5, 2007 10:59 PM CST up reply actions

firecrotch

As a red head, I can assure you that the phrase was used way before Brandon. And yes I have been called a firecrotch many times.

Derek

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Dec 6, 2007 8:01 AM CST up reply actions

this reminds me of...

Ron Burgundy: Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diago, which of course in German means a whale's vagina.
Veronica Corningstone: No, there's no way that's correct.
Ron Burgundy: I'm sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.
Veronica Corningstone: Doesn't it mean Saint Diego?
Ron Burgundy: No. No.
Veronica Corningstone: No, that's - that's what it means. Really.
Ron Burgundy: Agree to disagree.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 6, 2007 8:27 AM CST up reply actions

Hilarious...

Or the DR. Evil rant on the question mark!

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 6, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions

If anyone wants to see something

special on TV tonight...please turn it to ESPN and watch Allen Iverson, unbelievable...

by Longhorn on Dec 5, 2007 9:53 PM CST reply actions

elaborate please

i cant get to a tv right now.

by DShep on Dec 5, 2007 9:54 PM CST up reply actions

ah

a quick check of the boxscores helped.

thought he might be saying crazy stuff post game or something. stats are lookin good.

by DShep on Dec 5, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions

so where

will Wilkerson end up then?

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Dec 5, 2007 9:56 PM CST reply actions

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 5, 2007 10:25 PM CST reply actions

sounds like a good fit

by SteveP on Dec 5, 2007 10:59 PM CST reply actions

How Pathetic

Chris Shelton as our new 1bman.

Someone please get an adult in here to run this crappy organization.

I've got a 100 dollar bill in my pocket I'm will to give 10 to 1 odds on that this franchise will never finish above .500 as long as this incompetent fool is the GM.

by LBrooks on Dec 6, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply actions

And

who exactly would you pursue as next year's 1B?

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 6, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions

[ crickets ]

Brett Gardner broke my heart...

by Brian Thomas on Dec 6, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

i'll take that betu p

another bet on this board by someone who will never pay me.

I pay you 10 if I win and you pay me 100 if you lose? or 100/1000 respectively?

by ab03 on Dec 6, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

Math and Odds

[new] i'll take that betu p
another bet on this board by someone who will never pay me.

I pay you 10 if I win and you pay me 100 if you lose? or 100/1000 respectively?

Just 2 comments:

How do you know I would never pay you?
I said I had a hundred with 10 to 1 odds. That means if you lose, you pay me a hundred. If you win, I pay you a 1,000.

by LBrooks on Dec 7, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions