On Sosa, Wilkerson, and Botts
So we had #600 yesterday, and there are warm and fuzzy stories about Sammy Sosa and how he's revitalized his career in Texas, and all that.
Meh. Maybe I'm cold-hearted, maybe I'm a bad baseball fan, but I just didn't care. He isn't any greater of a hitter, any more or less HOF worthy, now that he's at 600 than he would have been if he hadn't come back and had retired with 588 homers. Watching that yesterday didn't do anything for me, other than make me relieved that we were done with barrage of "Sammy is just __ homers away!!!" coverage, and hopeful that we'll see Jason Botts soon.
And to reiterate something I've said before, now that the 600 watch is done, and the Rangers are out of the race, I think the Rangers should trade him to a team that wants him, and if they can't trade him, release him. There's no point in him continuing to be on this team.
There have been a plethora of responses to suggestions that the Rangers should let Sammy go, and I want to reply to some of them:
You can't release Sammy -- he's done better than anyone could have expected.
Sammy is hitting .242/.297/.458 on the season. If that's better than the Rangers expected him to hit when they made him their regular DH when the season started, then put me on the fire JD/Washington bandwagon.
A guy with a sub-.300 OBP, an OPS+ of 93, and an EQA of .254 is not a quality major league DH. He hasn't been good this year.
As a point of comparison...Ian Kinsler, who seems to be viewed as a massive disappointment, a guy who some are clamoring to be sent to the minors, has a .271 EQA this season.
If the .271 EQA second baseman is a disappointment, then the .254 EQA DH isn't a rousing success story.
If you want to release someone, release WilKKKKKKKerson/Whifferson, he's worse than Sammy, and all he does is strike out.
Well, first of all, Wilkerson is playing first base right now while Mark Teixeira is out (and Teixeira supposedly won't be back for another month). You don't have a ton of other options to play first base right now, particularly if Jason Botts' back makes playing first base problematic.
But secondly, Wilkerson has been better than Sosa this year. Wilkerson has a .264 EQA, compared to a .254 EQA for Sosa. His line of .225/.319/.450 is better than Sosa's .242/.297/.458, as evidence by his 98 OPS+ (compared to Sosa's 93 OPS+). His RC/27 is 4.98, versus Sosa's 4.65.
And strikeouts? Sosa has K'd once every 3.76 plate appearances, while Wilkerson has K'd once every 3.92 plate appearanecs -- Sosa is striking out more frequently than Wilkerson this year.
Sosa is SUPPOSED to strike out -- he's a power hitter. Wilkerson doesn't hit enough homers to justify his strikeout totals.
I don't believe that the underlying premise -- that strikeouts are only acceptable if you hit for power -- but nevertheless...
Sosa's slugging percentage is 8 points higher than Wilkerson's. Wilkerson's Isolated Power is 225, to 216 for Sosa.
And remarkably, Wilkerson has averaged a homer once every 20.14 plate appearances this season, while Sosa has a homer ever 21.33 plate appearances this season. Wilkerson is homering more often than Sosa.
You are just defending Whiffy because you liked the Soriano trade.
No, I'm defending Wilkerson because he's been a better player than Sosa this year.
That said, I don't have a huge problem if the Rangers decided to release Wilkerson tomorrow and call up Botts, rather than release Sosa, although I think Sosa should be axed first, given that Wilkerson, playing first base, isn't really blocking Botts, while Sosa, who has been the DH in the majority of Ranger games this year, is blocking Botts.
But if you release Wilkerson now to make room for Botts, that's fine.
However, I do think there are a couple of things that mitigate in favor of Wilkerson sticking around.
First is the fact that I think Wilkerson is going to be easier to trade. Sosa is a DH. He's played just 16 games in the field, and Ron Washington has said that he doesn't want to play Sosa out there too much because he's afraid he'll wear down, and the perception is that Sosa isn't going to be able to play the field regularly. Wilkerson is viewed as more versatile defensively.
Also, Wilkerson is the type of patient, work-the-count hitter that a lot of teams are valuing more, and have been attempting to obtain the past couple of years. Sosa...not so much.
This isn't to say that Wilkerson is going to bring back something huge in a trade. But I think there will be more of a market for Wilkerson than for Sosa.
Wilkerson's contract also makes him more desirable to hold onto and try to trade. Wilkerson gets $4.5 million even if he's released. Sosa gets $500K and a few incentives if he's released. If a team is willing to take Wilkerson, and send nothing back but another Jason Fransz or Steve Shoemaker, that still results in saving a couple of million dollars.
How can you get rid of the guy that is leading the team in RBIs?
Because the RBIs are pretty much irrelevant. Sosa isn't hitting well.
Look at Pedro Feliz last year. He had 98 RBIs, despite an awful .244/.281/.428 line. No one would credibly argue that he was driving in runs and thus deserved to stay in the lineup for the Giants...why do that for Sosa?
RBIs are largely a function of opportunity. Sosa has more ABs, by far, with runners in scoring position than any other Ranger. He should be leading the team in RBIs. But it doesn't change the fact that he's not been very good this year.
Sosa may not be great, but Jason Botts probably wouldn't hit any better than Sosa.
If Jason Botts isn't capable of putting up at least a .254 EQA and a .242/.297/.458 line in the majors right now, then the Rangers should have waived him, rather than Daniel Haigwood, in April. If Botts can't hit that well, there's no point keeping him on the 40 man roster.
Of course, looking at his minor league numbers, there's no reason to believe he can't hit that well. That's why it is so baffling that, with a last place team whose season is already over, he isn't being given the opportunity over the last few months of the season.
Sosa is an outfielder and can play defense -- Jason Botts doesn't even know how to use a glove.
No question, Botts isn't a very good defensive player. He's a sub-par defensive outfieder.
But does that really make much difference, in comparison to Sammy Sosa? Sosa has DH'd 43 times this season, and played in the field 16 times. Like Botts, he's a DH who is going to play some outfield occasionally. They fill the exact same roles.
There are ABs available for the Rangers the rest of the year at the DH slot. Botts should be getting them, not Sosa.
If Botts were really that good, the Rangers would be playing him already.
The problem with that argument is that the Rangers also thought Adrian Gonzalez couldn't hit well enough to be a good first baseman. They thought Travis Hafner was a AAAA slugger. They thought Adam Eaton was better than Chris Young. They thought Matt Kata was a better option than Marlon Byrd coming out of spring training. They thought Jamey Wright and his "electric stuff" deserved the #5 starter role.
And you know, maybe Botts won't be that good. Maybe he's a AAAA slugger, a guy who won't ever hit in the majors.
But now's the time to find that out. Botts is going to be out of options next year, and the Rangers are going to need a DH next year.
There's no point in continuing to give a guy who isn't going to be part of the next good Rangers team ABs, when they could be going to Botts, a guy who at least has a chance of being a contributor when the Rangers are in the playoff hunt again.
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Only Sharky is qualified
However, the thought that we need Whifferson rather than Sosa because Whifferson can play 1B neglects the fact that Whifferson isn't very good at 1B, Cat could probably play 1B, and so probably could Sosa. Just about any ballplayer can play 1B, hell even Frank Thomas played 1B.
As far as which player is better, it changes week to week. Next week, my money is on Sosa.
My money on who has better trade value is also Sosa.
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2007 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sosa cannot play 1st base
Cat has played first base already so I guess you could play him. but is cat better than wilkerson?
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't he?
I've seen Frank Thomas play 1B, I've seen Giambi play 1B, Ive seen Wilkerson play 1B. I doubt Sosa will be the worst 1B I've seen. I mean, its not like he'll be Matt Kata at 3B.
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1B vs. LF vs. DH
by t ball on Jun 21, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing one
I don't. I think it drives attendance up even more. Water cooler talk is probably "Well, the Rangers have Sosa, a HOFer-in-waiting. He's only the 5th player to ever have 600 homers."
From a business standpoint, Sosa is a great investment. He puts butts in seats and generates media attention (though I expect that to die down now).
by chief on Jun 21, 2007 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Like it or not I think sosa is here to stay the rest of the year... Hicks would not want to get bad PR or lose all the free publicity he is getting.
Also, I think a fair argument could be made that Cat is blocking Botts as much or more than sosa.
by rentz on Jun 21, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you guys
by SanDiegoKev on Jun 21, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then the worst possible
by SteveP on Jun 21, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging by...
by RangerMoto on Jun 21, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Btw, i HATE feeling like a fan of the visiting team in my teams own ballpark, its just sad.
by rentz on Jun 21, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You !!
hes a classic punch and judy hitter...certainly
no slugger .. SAMMY packs em in...don't forget the simple philosophy that if you dont have fans coming to your games you cant pay a decent salary.. and you're left with a team of AAA players like Jason Botts whos a nightmare with a glove..does he even own one ? you'd think after all these years of minor leagues he'd of learned something..the fact that he hasnt is a HUGE RED FLAG..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice cool breeze
because tell me exactly how you missed the part about how sosa strikes out more than wilkerson?
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and apparently you dont get that..
and has twice as many homer and rbi's which part of that do YOU not understand ?? and is a baseball legend.. wilk only dreams of being where sosa has been ! got it? get it ? GOOD !! better late than never :)
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilk is an non entity...
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 points higher, RBI's, HR's
they both suck equally this year.
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
I'm sorry statheads, that has value. I just don't think that Wilk is capable of that. I know that I'm in the minority on that.
by badradiorules on Jun 21, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
so, even if you think sosa is better, I dont' think he's so much better that you need to have both bats in your lineup.
really, those people in favor of sosa, is it because you want the rangers to win? and if so, why? the season is over. if it is just a matter of principle, that you think sosa is better than wilkerson, than i think the 1b thing is more imporant.
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
However, this is where Cat clogs things up, who by the way, should be blasted as much or more on this blog than Sammy or Wilk. Look at the bang to buck ratio on that guy. And like I said below, I'll be interested to see if his number take an upswing now that the 600 cloud is out from over his head.
I didn't say get rid of either, but obviously if you can get something for either send them off. I just think its crazy on this site that somehow the OPS stat is the difinitive end all for hitters.
by badradiorules on Jun 21, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
As a Ranger Wilk has K'd once every 3.25 plate appearances which is far worse than Sosa's once every 3.76.
by tricer on Jun 21, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hasn't learned something
but that's probably too subtle for you.
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Water cooler talk
by SteveP on Jun 21, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably both
by Longhorn on Jun 21, 2007 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
response to the post
but i agree with dan that whether sosa is better than fluctuates way too much week to week to definitively say one is better than the other. flip a coin, they both suck.
although, it might be hard to carry both botts and sosa on your roster (2 guys with defensive liabilities)
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who cares...
by RangerMoto on Jun 21, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Maybe now he will start swinging the bat a little better. Wilk just sucks, maybe Sosa will get better the next couple of weeks and have trade value.
If Wilk has value, trade him for a bucket of BP balls.
by badradiorules on Jun 21, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For the most part good points, but....
Well, thats an outright lie. You wernt positive about sosa when he was top 5 in HR/RBI for a while. You wernt positive about him when his ops was in the upper 800s. Hell, a mere THREE DAYS ago, if you had made this post wilkerson would have had a lower OPS and a higher strikeout rate for gods sake.
And please, a .014 ops difference is completely irrelevant. Wilk has 120 at bats. When sosa has 120 at bats, he had a .870 ops. If he goes 0 for 4 today and sosa goes 2 for 4 he will probably leapfrog him.
Obviously you have the right to support one player over another, but come on your being against sosa does not revolve around wilkerson having a very slight edge in a couple stats over the past few days. For the vast majority of the season on the days theyve both been on the roster, sosa had better numbers and thats just a fact.
"First is the fact that I think Wilkerson is going to be easier to trade."
If Wilkerson is easier to trade, how does that promote keeping him around longer? If hes easier to trade, trade him and viola, hes not around longer. I mean what, are we talking like 2 weeks it might take to trade him keeping botts down as a reason to just cut loose sosa TOMORROW apparently? Even if we DFA'd Sosa, you surely know its not going to be in the next week. Its just not, rather its logical or not the rangers simply arnt going to do that.
So yeah.. if wilkerson is more desirable in a trade and to trade from the rangers in a money saving perspective... then trade him over the next couple weeks, sosa isnt leaving before then anyway.
But, i do have to alter some of the things ive been saying for the 1b thing. If botts cant even play 1b at a below average level without hurting himself (which is ridiculous), then yes that means wilkerson is needed more then i thought because the rangers dont really have anyone else to play there while tex is gone, especially if hes traded.
So yeah, this 1b situation probably means that sosa should go instead of wilkerson.
But, thats not happening for a while. Here is where we move to reality. There were over 40 thousand people on a tuesday and wednesday night for the team with teh worst record in the mlb. Obviously taht was a one shot bonus, but i believe i heard attendance has been up a bit all season despite the record. Sosa is bringing in at least a few fans. If youve got two not great hitting esentially DH's that it really doesnt matter who you keep, and one has fan appeal, hes the one getting kept.
And ill comment on the rbi. RBIs are not meaningless. They mean hes produced runs. Those runs wernt imaginary. The guy has a .987 ops with runners in scoring position, THATS why he has all those RBIs.
If you think thats a fluke then you can look at his overall numbers and say that we just got lucky with timely production and from this point forward he probably wont produce those runs so they can be ignored for future production, fine.. but don try to erase what he did. Michael Young racked up RBIs in years past by hitting far better with RISP than in general and got all the credit in the world for it.
It may have been by pure luck, but sosa HAS been a productive run producer for the rangers and deserves credit for it.
SOOOOOOOOOO............ if 1b wernt an issue id still say trade/release wilk over sosa.
But if the rangers really dont have any other 1b options (i really cant believe botts cant play 1b without injury problems), then i guess wilk is more important now. I havnt checked on nate gold lately but i imagine he isnt really enough of a prospect to just bring up and stick in there for half a season regardless of production.
by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2007 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BINGO !!
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*1 note
and i do not think sosa has been a particularly good DH.
i just happen to be more entertained by it and think he hasnt been as bad as some otehrs on here do. and dont think our other options have been that great. i mean for the first whatever ammount of time botts was doing quite poorly in AAA. But yeah.. i do tihnk he HAS to play at least the entire part of the season after the all star break, and if Sosa has to go for that, thats fine.
by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2007 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did ya see the Sammy Sosa hour .. uhmmm I mean ..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Sosa's not having a great season, or even a very good one. He's making outs over 70% of the time. Yes, he's hit well with RISP, but if he's got a 988 OPS with RISP, and a 755 OPS overall, what does that tell you about his at-bats when he's not hitting with runners on second and/or third?
A DH with a 755 OPS, and a sub-300 OBP, is a sub-par performer for his position.
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa trade
- In the AL so he can DH
- Still in a divisional or wild card race
- Need an upgrade at DH
Derek S
by DerekSTheRed on Jun 21, 2007 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he = who
by DerekSTheRed on Jun 21, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
If I needed a bat to hit lefties, I'd think about Sosa.
I don't think the Rangers will get a ton for either, but I certainly would try to move one before bringing up Botts, given how depleted our high minors are.
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBI's are meaningless !!!
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so the whole pedro feliz thing
RBI's are meaningless when comparing one guy to another.
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkerson strikes out more than SOSA ..
and Sosa has struck out once every 3.81 at bats.. the only differance is that Wilk has 105 home runs and Sosa has 600 ..woo hoo... lets say Wilk hits 15 home runs for 5 more years thats if he hasnt been released yet.. he may wind up with 200.. what a weak sister ! so chew on these numbers AB ..LOL
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkerson
I don't care how a guy makes outs- if he's making them 71% of the time, as Sosa is, he's not helping the team.
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew there was a reason I just picked him up
He still starts every day.
by SanDiegoKev on Jun 21, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody forgot it was a day game
by cgolden on Jun 21, 2007 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Feliz is NO SAMMY SOSA ..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many players hit .360 with RISP?
by t ball on Jun 21, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all of them are capable?
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, all of them are
Maicer Izturis is hitting .429 with RISP, he has a career batting avg. is .262.
Omar Infante is hitting .483 with RISP, .255 for career.
Sosa has had 80 at bats, that is a small sample and he is to be commended for taking advantage of the opportunities he has had. But it is not necessarily an indicator of future success, and it does not mean the Rangers should hold onto him and keep Botts at Oklahoma. Sosa is more than 10 years older than Botts, who do you think is more likely to suffer decline?
by t ball on Jun 21, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
His career batting average and slugging percentage with RISP are almost exactly the same as overall career numbers.
His OBP with RISP is higher than overall, but that's because of intentional walks. If you remove them, his OBP with RISP during his career is lower than overall.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Given that we supposedly want
by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa's RBI Total
somebody will trade for him...don't just drop his ass, give it a few weeks now that 600 has happened and get a potential future piece for him
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 21, 2007 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sammys hitting around 350 with RISP ..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing the point
Yes, Sammy is driving in runs, but that's as much a product of where he's batting in the lineup as anything else. If you bat cleanup, you're usually hitting behind runners who are good at getting on base. More baserunners on in front of you equals more potential RBI.
RBI aren't irrelevant, but they tell you just as much about the players batting in front of a given hitter as they do about the hitter himself. If nobody gets on in front of you, you could be Albert Pujols, and you're not going to get many RBI. If everyone gets on in front of you, and you're Neifi Perez, you're going to get a bunch of RBI.
That's why RBI are a poor measure of a hitter's ability. I'd rather focus on a hitter's ability to avoid getting outs (the thing that leads to runners on base, and hence, scoring runs) which Sosa is pretty freaking lousy at.
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
Jason Botts, OTOH, has a .420 OBP in AAA. So he's only making outs 58% of the time- albeit at a lower level- as opposed to Sosa's 70%, or Wilkerson's 68%.
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
runs batted in
by doolindalton on Jun 21, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL....you got that right...
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fresh Take
by BReed on Jun 21, 2007 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you have to get rid of someone
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever we can trade 1st
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lofton
by BReed on Jun 21, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The value of Sammy Sosa to the Rangers...
The fact of the matter with Sammy is that he has put butts in the seats this season, and if that can somehow translate into increased revenues for Hicks in a season that shows no promise for a championship (let alone 3rd place), I can pretty much guarantee that the front office is demanding that they keep around one of their primary sources for the up-tick at the ticket office.
Sammy, whether good or bad, is here to stay for the rest of the season, so Botts better hope somebody else gets traded of DFA'd if he wants to play in Arlington in 2007.
by rangersfan34 on Jun 21, 2007 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
VERY well written !
and right on point ! thankfully some fans get it !
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
by rangersfan34 on Jun 21, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt that they could move him...
by rangersfan34 on Jun 21, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly !!
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Living in Orange County...
Everyone here knows that Sammy USED to be a great player, but now he's just a potential "future Hall of Famer" that's clogging up our roster. Of course, he's EXACTLY the type of player that passive fans love going out to the ballpark to watch, which is why he'll be with us all season.
by rangersfan34 on Jun 21, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K's
I guess that's why Sosa has four seasons with more K's than Wilkerson's career single-season high, and why Sosa is second on the all-time strikeout list...
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES do the math !!
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More math
Wilkerson: a HR every 17.14 AB, .225 ISO
Sosa: a HR every 19.67 AB, .217 ISO
So if Wilkerson is a Punch & Judy hitter, what does that make Sosa?
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm....Wilk has not had many at bats this year..
Sosa had not played in almost 2 years .. and will only get better .. Wilk hasnt had many at bats this year..so your stats are bogus.. Wilk has a measley 22 ribbies.. Sosa has more than twice as many..thats punch and judy stats guy...like Wash said today.." I think Sosa is going to get better next year then this year..hes going to get better off speed stuff and start crunching some of that" hes already on par to have 120 rbi's .. so will he have 140 next year if wash's prediction is true? Wilk will have 60 ribbies this year max.. thats a weak sister hitter.. steamrolling towards the infamous mendoza line..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya got that RcCook..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
And like you said, Wilkerson has about half as many AB's as Sosa, and has hit mostly down in the order. You think that might be a reason he's got 30 less RBI's?
Middle of the order guys tend to drive in more runs than leadoff hitters and guys who bat lower in the order. That you don't grasp something so basic tells me who the idiot really is...
by RCCook on Jun 21, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I'm glad you get something !
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
In April: .244/.309/.547
In May: .255/.307/.426
In June: .214/.262/.375
He's getting worse, not better.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if hes had a slower than usual June..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um yes it will help
sosa is on a one year contract. surely you are not suggesting they negotiate a long term contract with him, are you?
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By no means...
by rangersfan34 on Jun 21, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this kind of thinking
for those of you saying, "this is why sosa won't be traded," i get it. but a lot of you sound like you are saying, "this is why sosa shouldn't be traded." that i don't understand at all. why do you care about filling up seats?
by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa
by rentz on Jun 21, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I don't give a crap...
If we have a major firesale, attendance would probably drop to around 15k/game, but if we keep some of the box office draws (primarily Sammy) the Rangers have got to be looking at the flipside and realizing that drawing 30k, while increasing revenue is not such a bad outcome for a last place team.
As I said in a previous post, this is a BUSINESS first and foremost. Winning obviously matters to the Rangers organization, but making money can help cause the product on the field to improve. Sammy is a "cash cow" for the Rangers, and his value as a revenue generator, to me, outweighs the value of the random prospect (or scrub) we'd probably get in trade.
by rangersfan34 on Jun 21, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filling Seats is the probem
by SanDiegoKev on Jun 21, 2007 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cat
unfortunately his upside is taking a while to get even halfway there
by gossamer on Jun 21, 2007 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cat and Millwood
by BReed on Jun 21, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam
I like how you declare wilkerson better because he's got .010 better EQA this year. Yeah, that proves a lot.
I'm sick of hearing about Botts and Laird for the past five years. At least pick good players to get behind.
by Sharky on Jun 21, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeh he HAD .10 EQA.. he just went 0 for 4 ..
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyways
by Sharky on Jun 21, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh ... I can't believe what I've been reading.
Either way, they're right about one thing, Sosa will likely be kept if he can't be traded because there is the perception that his mere presence on the team sells tickets.
by Athos on Jun 21, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be kept because Rwash likes him
It'd be like if Apple and Nintendo got in a fight. PC at loggerheads.
by Sharky on Jun 21, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now wilkerson's .ops is 11 points under sosa
by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2007 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*still an irrelevant difference though.
by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2007 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true...
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me ask this
Sosa or Wilky
by weslyenkid01 on Jun 21, 2007 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
holy jumpin'
But to argue that Wilkerson has been better than Sosa this year is just flat wrong. I hate to quote Randy Galloway, but never has "Watch the damn games" been more appropriate. I'm no huge Sammy fan or huge Wilk detractor, and I hope that in the next few weeks the Rangers find a roster spot for Jason Botts as much as everyone, but Sammy has been significantly better than Wilk and Cat this season.
Picking out one stat like EQA and deeming all other stats "irrelevant" is incredibly convenient. all this Sammy bashing has gone on to a bit of a ridiculous level. When you consider on the field performance and especially the feelings of your average Ranger fan (not the baseball freaks on this website but the average fan), Sammy is much more valuable to the team than either Wilk or Cat have been. I'd much prefer to see them get rid of one of those two guys to make room for Botts and then wait till the deadline to see what they can get for Sammy in a trade.
by disposablehero on Jun 21, 2007 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
stats
Sure he strikes out a lot, but many hitters K as much as he does an more (sosa in this case). Rbi's are always going to be higher for someone who hits 3-5 than someone who hits 7-9 like wilkerson.
I am more than willing to admit that Sosa is not as bad as I expected him to be, or as bad as people around here make him out to be, but you also must admit that wilkerson is not the worst player to ever put on a ranger uniform like many believe.
by rentz on Jun 21, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not deeming all other stats irrelevant
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not in this,
I realize over time, everything will even out, but, I think, you guys are debating who's been better the first 2/5 of the season. That has to be relevent doesn't it.
At least when there is such a large difference
by badradiorules on Jun 22, 2007 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the RBI total
by t ball on Jun 22, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
addendum
by t ball on Jun 22, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again Randy Galloway...
and you as well mr. disposablehero.. compliments on your intelligent and correct posting ! Lets dump that scrub Wilk..he struck out before he got to the plate the other day.. never seen that before.. :) Cat is a seasoned veteran who almost always hits around .300 ..he'll come around
Also correct on * cherry picking * these ridiculous stats..to make Wilk not look so sorry.. that his EQA WAS better than Sosas b4 he struck out twice today and went 0 for 4 ..
well its not anymore .. and he doesnt have many homers or rbis and sucks in the clutch.. DUMP HIM..havent we suffered enough !!!
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IF IF..we've been IF fing with Wilkerson since
IF MY UNCLE HAD TITS HE'D BE MY AUNT..IF IF IF ..
:)
by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
While I don't necessarily agree that
by gp on Jun 21, 2007 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agree with the
by weslyenkid01 on Jun 21, 2007 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sosa
What does that mean for the Rangers? Sammy will be on the team the rest of the year and yes that means blocking ABs for Botts and Diaz. I simply don't think there is any other option for the Rangers.
by Randy Richardson on Jun 22, 2007 2:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sosa's best statistic
Sosa is hitting .341 with runners in scoring position. That's tied for the highest for a single season in his career. He hit .313 in those situations in his MVP year of 1998.
by doolindalton on Jun 22, 2007 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
You're gonna have to excuse me if I don't believe it.
by a bebop a rebop on Jun 24, 2007 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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