On Saltalamacchia, Loney, and trade prospects
There's been a lot of squawking from some Rangers fans that the Atlanta offer isn't good enough, that Jarrod Saltalamacchia isn't all that and that the Rangers need something better than him as the headliner of a package.
Now, given the choice between Saltalamacchia (I hate the name "Salty", and refuse to refer to him as that) and James Loney, I'd probably lean towards Loney, but it isn't really a slam-dunk.
Loney is a year older than Saltalamacchia (almost exactly a year, in fact...he was born on 5/7/84, Saltalamacchia on 5/2/85), and of course, is going to play nothing but first base (albeit very well), while Saltalamacchia can probably be a regular major league catcher, at least for a few more years.
PECOTA's projections for Loney from 2008-2011 all run in the .280s, while Saltalamacchia is in the .270s in 2008 and 2009 and in the .280s in 2009 and 2010.
Saltalamacchia struggled mightily in AA last year, but it is worth pointing out that he was 20 when last season started and was dealing with a wrist injury...and even with his poor average and middling power, he was drawing a ton of walks, with a .353 OBP to go with his .230 average.
Loney put up some huge surface numbers in Las Vegas last year, hitting .380/.426/.546, but Las Vegas is a great hitter's park, and OBP and slugging were hugely average-driven...his walk rate and power was very unimpressive.
This year has been weird for them, as Loney has been pretty poor in the minors, hitting .279/.345/.382 for Las Vegas, but terrific in the majors, hitting .362/.414/.551 for the Dodgers. Saltalamacchia has been the reverse, hitting .309/.404/.617 in AA but just .285/.336/.416 in the majors.
As a point of comparison, when Mark Teixeira was 22 (the same age Saltalamacchia is now), he was hitting .320/.411/.593 in half a season in high-A and .316/.415/.591 in a half a season in AA.
BA had Saltalamacchia ranked #36 coming into this season, Loney #44. As a point of reference, John Danks was #56 and Eric Hurley #68. BA felt that Saltalamacchia was a guy with big power potential who might have to move from behind the plate, while Loney is a guy who will hit for average and play great first base defense, but has questions about his power. Mark Grace is the comparison you hear a lot with Loney.
BP ranked Loney #54, and at the mid-season mark said that his stock was unchanged, while Saltalamacchia was at #51, and the mid-season review showed him as having moved his stock up.
My gut says that Loney's the safer bet to be a good major leaguer, while Saltalamacchia is the better bet to be a great major leaguer, particularly if he can stay behind the plate. And after having gone through all this, I'm starting to think I've been swayed to preferring Saltalamacchia to Loney, all things being equal.
All things, of course, aren't equal, and the other prospects will play a role as well in what offer to take. But if you are expecting to get Loney and Clayton Kershaw (or Loney, Kershaw and something else), I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
The other thing to remember about the Atlanta deal, if Elvis Andrus comes over, is that teams love young, toolsy middle infielders. Remember, a couple of years ago, everyone wanted Joaquin Arias from the Rangers, and if Texas grabs Andrus, he'll be a valuable trade chip down the road.
And speaking of trade chips, the other thing to keep in mind with Saltalamacchia is that a lot of other teams love him. Pittsburgh has supposedly been after him, and even if you don't think Saltalamacchia is all that, if you could flip him to the Pirates to get a package that included Ian Snell, or to get Tom Gorzelanny, that may end up being a better deal than anything else you would end up with in a Teixeira trade.
Anyway, this is just food for thought...but I do think that those who are already killing any Atlanta trade, saying that Saltalamacchia isn't all that and the Rangers need to get something else, are not giving Saltalamacchia enough credit.
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Solid points
I feel the dodgers have more they could send back in return but yes, kershaw isn't going to be part of it.
As far as flipping Saltalamacchia for snell, I had honestly forgotten about that rumor with the pirate's and it's certainly something to consider.
On Elvis Andrus, sure people like their toolsy infielders but where has that gotten the rangers with arias? He hasn't been dealt for anything worthwhile. I just hate the thought of taking a guy like him and hoping he can be turned into something good in another deal.
by rentz on Jul 26, 2007 10:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Well
I don't have a problem with the Rangers getting a guy because they think he can have more value in a trade down the line than they are giving up for him now. I think that's a large part of the thinking with Borbon...
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 26, 2007 10:44 AM CDT
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speaking of Borbon
by rkh on
Jul 26, 2007 11:22 AM CDT
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August 15
by uthornfan on
Jul 26, 2007 11:24 AM CDT
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Pecota projections
I think Salty's far more valuable than Loney, because their bats are comparable and one is a catcher.
And, sorry, the effort of typing out Salty's full name will force me to call him Salty. Apologies.
by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2007 10:48 AM CDT 0 recs
How about...
by RangerMoto on
Jul 26, 2007 11:11 AM CDT
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we should change his uni number to 1
but no, theres no escaping salty. he has already officially been established as salty.
by DSheppard on
Jul 26, 2007 11:18 AM CDT
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how about
by i hit straight ball very much on
Jul 26, 2007 11:21 AM CDT
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Sorry Adam but, you have been over-ruled.
Man law. Salty stays, no matter what.
by TexGoesYard on
Jul 26, 2007 11:31 AM CDT
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Those
by BHill on
Jul 26, 2007 12:00 PM CDT
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No no no. RIF.
By your logic, Ersty is a clever nickname.
Is Salty a sailor? Is Salty a curmudgeonly, somewhat dirty old man? Is Salty a big fan of margaritas and mexican food?
Giving someone a nickname that merely bastardizes their given name is the height of creative laziness.
D minus...
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 26, 2007 12:02 PM CDT
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At least it's not JSalt
by ab03 on
Jul 26, 2007 12:10 PM CDT
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No doubt
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 26, 2007 12:44 PM CDT
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I'm sticking with
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 1:09 PM CDT
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Salty
Makes you think of him being in a pink tutu dancing Waltz of the Sugar Plum Fairies.
by Ed Coffin on
Jul 26, 2007 11:26 PM CDT
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I like it
by RangerMoto on
Jul 26, 2007 1:16 PM CDT
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my only hangup
it just doesnt seem to me like they would stress all season long that laird needs to worry about the pitchers not offense, and then pull him out for an offensive replacement.
and we have no 1b if tex is gone anyway. but if he does play 1b, he is much less valuable to us.............
so as much as it seems like salty fits here. it seems like a somewhat messy situation.
maybe it would be more of a platoon at catcher with salty (i like it) dh'ing a couple times a week.....
so yeah, to give a really fair judgement on the trade id need to know what the rangers plans are, which obviously only JD and a few others know.
but if we can get the full salty/andrus/jo-jo trade for tex + lesser reliever then im up for it.
although i wish andrus wasnt part of it. if the braves rate him a B+ prospect or whatever, id prefer another B+ thats not the speedy MI mold.. just dont care for those guys, so few of them pan out
by DSheppard on Jul 26, 2007 10:51 AM CDT 0 recs
I think
Saltalamacchia will likely have more power and a higher OBP... neither will be as good as Tex. The only thing Saltalamacchia won't do that Loney and Tex will is hit .300. Personally, I don't care if Loney can hit .320 with a .390 OBP when I think Saltalamacchia will hit .270 with a .390 OBP and hit more HR.
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 11:05 AM CDT
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New Name for Saltalamacchia
If he is traded to Texas along with Harrison and Andrus, call me happy.
by t ball on Jul 26, 2007 10:54 AM CDT 0 recs
Adam
by i hit straight ball very much on Jul 26, 2007 10:59 AM CDT 0 recs
Preaching to the choir...
1.They looked at his AA numbers, and did not realize he was hurt.
2.They are wanting way to much for Tex to consider any reasonable trade.
3.They want to plant the seed, so that if the deal is made...they can blame JD for not getting enough.
Believe me I am already prepared for it. JD could get GOD to play 1B for us, and someone will complain that JD got screwed on the deal and could have had Kershaw.
by clinton33 on Jul 26, 2007 11:02 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't know man...
by i hit straight ball very much on
Jul 26, 2007 11:17 AM CDT
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Saltamacchia
by ghtd36 on Jul 26, 2007 11:24 AM CDT 0 recs
And...
by ghtd36 on
Jul 26, 2007 11:25 AM CDT
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Saltalamacchia
by RCCook on
Jul 26, 2007 11:40 AM CDT
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you gotta wonder
by ab03 on
Jul 26, 2007 11:42 AM CDT
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My wife is a Maori from New Zealand
Of course, the lazyass, anglo-saxon government there routinely doesn't even do them the courtesy of publishing a shortened Maori version on their birth certificates.
Her middle name was ceremoniously morphed into Rebecca.
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 26, 2007 11:52 AM CDT
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Good luck
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 11:58 AM CDT
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5 bucks says
by Jayslick on
Jul 26, 2007 12:00 PM CDT
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Ellis Island
by JBImaknee on
Jul 26, 2007 12:18 PM CDT
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Ellis Island
by RCCook on
Jul 26, 2007 1:12 PM CDT
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Does anyone else
I guess losing Teix would pretty much bring this offense down to a oakland like suckiness, but man I just desperatly want some solid pitching top to bottom in Texas for once.
by TexGoesYard on Jul 26, 2007 11:27 AM CDT 0 recs
The Rangers
by hiafex on
Jul 26, 2007 11:32 AM CDT
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Yeah,
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 11:49 AM CDT
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Salty.... do it do it...
by M_Y_isDANK on Jul 26, 2007 11:30 AM CDT 0 recs
you know
by ab03 on Jul 26, 2007 11:49 AM CDT 0 recs
No shit
Then you spend the next few days wondering if you did it right and what you could have done differently. And wondering if you would have been better off going with someone else.
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 11:55 AM CDT
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Waiver wire
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 11:57 AM CDT
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BA ratings
by doolindalton on Jul 26, 2007 11:53 AM CDT 0 recs
I didn't remember
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/features/top10003.html
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 12:03 PM CDT
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Others of note on that list
- Adrian Gonzalez
- Colby Lewis
- James Loney
- Franklyn German
- Travis Hafner
- Marlon Byrd
- Ben Kozlowski
- Laynce Nix
- Willy Mo Pena
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 12:12 PM CDT
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I've watched Saltalamaccha
by LtDan on Jul 26, 2007 8:42 PM CDT 0 recs








