Thursday a.m. things
A 4 game sweep of the Mariners, with all 4 games by one run. Sweet. If we can't be in the playoff race, we can at least jack with someone else's chances.
Brandon McCarthy didn't look particularly sharp yesterday -- he seemed to have issues with his fastball command -- but he made it through 5 innings allowing just 3 runs. The Rangers are now just 10 games under .500 for the season, and just 2.5 games back of the Oakland A's.
And the remarkable thing about getting to J.J. Putz is, he's allowed all of 5 runs this season, with 4 of them being from Ranger home runs. The Ramon Vazquez homer was the first run he's allowed outside of Safeco this year.
And you have to appreciate the irony of former Mariner prospect Ramon Vazquez hitting the game winner.
Mike Heika says any questions about Eric Gagne's durability and ability to bounce back quickly should have been put to rest after he pitched in Monday's game and in both games of Tuesday's doubleheader. Heika also says that Vicente Padilla is slowly working his way back, with another rehab outing scheduled for Friday, where he'll throw 45 pitches, while Ian Kinsler is going to have a 3 game rehab assignment this weekend, after which he will presumably be activated.
To trade stuff, with Mark Teixeira being the hot topic of conversation...
And before we start with the linking, I'd like to make an observation...I have to think that the reports that there's no way the Dodgers will part with James Loney, or the Braves with Jarrod Saltalamacchia, can't be right, if those teams are actually interested Teixeira. If the Dodgers trade for Teixeira, they have nowhere for Loney to play until 2009. Same with the Braves and Saltalamacchia.
What would be the point of the Dodgers trying to land Teixeira -- which it is widely reported they are trying to do -- if they don't use Loney as a trade chip? What are they going to do, let Loney sit in AAA the next 2 years? Or have him on the bench as a pinch hitter? Give me a break...
Dave Sessions reports that the Dodgers, Angels, Braves, and BoSox are all pushing hard for Teixeira right now.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution says that the Braves clubhouse was "abuzz" over talk of acquiring Teixeira, with Braves players excited about the idea of adding him. That, of course, can only help Daniels' negotiating stance...
Also from the J-C piece is talk of the Rangers including a reliever in the deal, with the Braves preferring C.J. Wilson or Eric Gagne, while the Rangers are more willing to deal Ron Mahay.
Of course, despite all this talk of a deal being close, the New York Daily News says that Teixeira isn't likely to go anywhere because of Daniels' unreasonable demands. This is as part of an article that discusses how Brian Cashman absolutely refuses to part with Philip Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy...
And on other Rangers trade possibilities, the Cleveland Plain Dealer says the Indians feel the Rangers are asking too much for Kenny Lofton, hindering trade talks there.
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Adam
by nirvana on Jul 26, 2007 8:35 AM CDT 0 recs
Salty
by kumar75150 on Jul 26, 2007 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
nah
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 10:29 AM CDT
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yanks
very short list. they will trade 1 or 2 of those guys. unless their philosophy has totally changed of course. even with many of their starters getting old, i can't see the yanks starting 2 rookies next year in hughes and joba.
by mo on Jul 26, 2007 8:44 AM CDT 0 recs
Kirkjin (sp?) on Baseball Tonight
by OKC Ranger Fan on Jul 26, 2007 8:50 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't want him now
by nirvana on
Jul 26, 2007 8:52 AM CDT
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For Lofton?
by Droopydave on
Jul 26, 2007 8:54 AM CDT
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i was thinking more along
by nirvana on
Jul 26, 2007 8:55 AM CDT
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I'd give up Lofton
Yes it is a risk, but TJ surgery is the highest success rate and the guy is a class A prospect. You can't turn that down.
Heck, him being injured is the ONLY way the Indians may think about giving him up. Score...
by JBImaknee on
Jul 26, 2007 9:01 AM CDT
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Kirkjin (sp?)
I wonder if he actually expects to get that out of them...
by miles on
Jul 26, 2007 9:10 AM CDT
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Exactly....
I'm concerned about missed opportunities.
by kwood on
Jul 26, 2007 9:39 AM CDT
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trade demands
you never know when some gm may be ready to give up something big for a push to the playoffs. realistically he probably knew he wasn't getting miller but it doesn't hurt to ask. One thing I think JD is doing this trade deadline is trying to prove that he will and can drive a hard bargain. after all he has the pieces teams want.
by rentz on
Jul 26, 2007 9:45 AM CDT
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yep
At the same time, if you always start at the ridiculous, some teams won't want to deal with you and when you are a seller, it is always best to have as many buyers as possible in order to extract maximum profit.
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 10:36 AM CDT
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Teams will deal with you
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 11:02 AM CDT
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read it again
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 11:14 AM CDT
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I read it right,
I think JD will learn who he can and should not ask for the moon from. Other GMs do the same thing, and Kazmir for Zambrano should always be in the back of your mind.
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 11:22 AM CDT
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agreed
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 12:43 PM CDT
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well..
If Millers name did come up, it was most likely "I throw you Lofton and Gagne, you throw us Miller."
so then when Cleveland goes to Baseball Tonight, they can say,"we were try to get Lofton, and JD started talking Miller."
by clinton33 on
Jul 26, 2007 9:31 AM CDT
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If I'm JD, I use Atlanta, NY, and the Dodgers
Obviously if you can get Ethier and Kershaw from LAD, then that's the best deal.
I think that Lester and Ellsbury would be 2nd.
Anything the Braves can throw together is last. I'm not sold on Salty, Andrus sounds like Arias or Drew Meyer, and they don't have any strong pitching candidates at a level of Kershaw, Hughes, or even Lester.
by ortonius on Jul 26, 2007 8:55 AM CDT 0 recs
Miller for Lofton
Depending on how comfortable the Bosox are with the inconsistency of JD Drew, how about throwing Lofton in with Tex to sweeten that deal? He's look nice in a corner outfield slot at the top of that lineup.
by BudLight on Jul 26, 2007 8:57 AM CDT 0 recs
Adam, you're forgetting
I wonder what the Indians consider too much. Lofgren? Cabrera?
by t ball on Jul 26, 2007 9:03 AM CDT 0 recs
The problem with that
But that's a very interesting theory on the Dodgers part... Trade some OF's and minor league pitching for Tex, then spin Loney in a separate deal for a pitcher.
by thedirkatron on
Jul 26, 2007 9:18 AM CDT
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The problem with that
by Longhorn on
Jul 26, 2007 9:24 AM CDT
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I think
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 11:01 AM CDT
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agreed, and
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 11:16 AM CDT
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Loney
by RCCook on
Jul 26, 2007 11:37 AM CDT
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bingo
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 26, 2007 12:45 PM CDT
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Maybe this will help
I'd do a Salty, Elbert, Meloan trade if they all were in the same system...
by Longhorn on
Jul 26, 2007 2:17 PM CDT
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In the Miller for Lofton talks
by Nichols22 on Jul 26, 2007 9:04 AM CDT 0 recs
the more i think about it
by kumar75150 on Jul 26, 2007 9:06 AM CDT 0 recs
Loney
by simplesimon on Jul 26, 2007 9:12 AM CDT 0 recs
Loney in the OF
by JBImaknee on
Jul 26, 2007 9:25 AM CDT
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Aww
I was reading on a Braves board last night that a bunch of their fans think Salty for Tex straight up is fair value. Ummm, no.
by RCCook on Jul 26, 2007 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Well,
Keep in mind that Teixeira is a Boras client who is free to run after next year.
by kwood on
Jul 26, 2007 9:46 AM CDT
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Tex
by RCCook on
Jul 26, 2007 10:02 AM CDT
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"unrealistic"
by Strekos on
Jul 26, 2007 10:13 AM CDT
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Of course not....
If we ride this out with no trades at all, and the general consensus was that our demands were too steep and not commensurate to our offer, then I suspect that JD has failed again as a GM and I'll be left to will question his ability to gauge and evaluate trade proposals.
Consider how highly everyone here values Teixeira. Don't other GM's feel the same way and if so, why wouldn't there be appropriate offers for Tex....and if not, why not???
by kwood on
Jul 26, 2007 10:31 AM CDT
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trades
and I'm not overly impressed with any other names being linked in trade talks with them. I keep reading reports that people are down on jojo and elvis.
I'd like a deal with boston or the dodgers, both teams have more of what the rangers need.
by rentz on Jul 26, 2007 9:35 AM CDT 0 recs
yes yes
by Longhorn on
Jul 26, 2007 9:43 AM CDT
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I don't think the ATL deal would be bad
by hiafex on
Jul 26, 2007 9:44 AM CDT
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Does anyone think that it's possible
Isn't there some form of draft pick compensation if we lose Gagne to free agency this year?
by hiafex on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 AM CDT 0 recs
joba
by rentz on
Jul 26, 2007 10:05 AM CDT
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Because
by hiafex on
Jul 26, 2007 10:08 AM CDT
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yea
by Lonerangers on
Jul 26, 2007 11:56 AM CDT
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why is there doubt about Salty?
He has long been considered one of the best offensive prospects in baseball. He was ranked 36 in BA's top 100....ahead of James Loney(44), John Danks(56) and Eric Hurley(68).
The only thing I can come up with was he wasn't that good in AA in 2006, however BA attributes this to his wrist injury:
From BA:
"36 JARROD SALTALAMACCHIA, c, Braves
Wrist injury led to an off year in 2006, but he's still the game's best catching prospect"
In A he batted .319/.394/.913 with 19 Hrs.
in AA when injured was .230/.353/.733 with 9 Hrs
this year in AA .309/.404/1.021 in 81 at bats before being brought up to the Braves.
in his first taste in the majors he is: .284/.333/.744 in 141 at bats.
I think he is going to be a pretty good ML player.
by clinton33 on Jul 26, 2007 9:54 AM CDT 0 recs
salty
by rentz on
Jul 26, 2007 10:06 AM CDT
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doubts about Salty
- If John Schuerholz doesn't want to hang onto him, he must be overrated. The guy GM'd a franchise that won it's division 14 years in a row. He made this kind of trade in that period over and over again -- ditching overrated Braves prospects for better major league talent.
- He's a catcher. Not a first baseman. His offensive and defensive value is as a catcher. The catcher position is one of the strongest in the Texas farm system. Why would we trade our best player for a catcher?
- He's not a pitcher. We better get good pitching back for Tex in a trade, or JD deserves to be run out of town. There are 5 pitchers in our system better than Jo-Jo Reyes. The guy has walked 4-5 guys per 9 throughout his professional career.
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 10:09 AM CDT
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Catchers
Laird is showing what he is... a good, defensive back-up catcher.
by Redcaps on
Jul 26, 2007 10:23 AM CDT
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Salty
- The reason that he is expendable. a) They have Brian McCann for a long time as a catcher. b) They are getting a guy that is great right now to play 1B. They believe that Teix gives them the better chance to win this year and next. Salt is only 22.
- His bat plays at 1B. His bat really plays at catcher. Laird is a backup. Tea is in A ball. If (IF!!!) he is the real deal, he will arive in a couple of years. By that time, Salt will have established himself as a hitter in the big leagues enough to move to 1B. If not you still have a big time catcher.
- You are right, there needs to be a pitcher involved, but this team needs a big time bat in return for Teix. We don't have any without him and don't really have any close to the big leagues in the system. Our rotation now has shown for more than a month and a half that they can be more than servicable. This awful lineup has to be improved in order for the Rangers to contend.
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 10:29 AM CDT
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the lineup
If the rotation is more than serviceable, as you say, the team will compete in '08... unless they go into rebuilding mode. If they win in '08, they may be able to sign Tex anyway.
Other GM's seem to be able to trade rental players for good return. Why can't JD do that next year with Tex?
The lineup is also a lot better with Kinsler and Blalock in it. The lineup looks bad now because of injuries.
Laird is getting knee-jerked this year. He's hit a lot better since April. The same people who clamored to have him play ahead of Barajas have given up on him now.
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 10:51 AM CDT
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snow ball's chance in hell
by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 26, 2007 11:11 AM CDT
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Contenders next year???
If we carry him to this point next year, don't expect any trade offers that will pack a punch.
by kwood on
Jul 26, 2007 11:14 AM CDT
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You think its bad this year...
He is in the middle of a deal for the #36(Salty) and the #65(Andrus) prospects in all of baseball. I don't consider that terrible.
Pitching. What pitcher has been mentioned (by someone other than Grant) as available for Tex?
Lester?
?
Problem is people are hanging on to their pitchers....the best prospects we will get is position players, and then maybe we can add a pitcher with upside to a deal.
by clinton33 on
Jul 26, 2007 11:14 AM CDT
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RE:
- acquired center fielder
- MY - quality 2 hole
- ?/Salt/RF/1B
- ?/Salt/RF/1B
- ?/Botts maybe
- Blalock - career OPS+ 100
- Kinsler - career OPS+ 102, but may improve
- Cat/Byrd - Byrd comes back to earth as platoon player
- Laird/RF
Better, but still not very good. His "hot month" isn't even league average. If we get a big time right fielder and a big time 1B you can live with that at the bottom of the order. However, if our lineup is anything similar to what it is now, you can't live with that.
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 11:27 AM CDT
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with a minor tweak
1 Lofton/acquired center fielder
2 MY
3 Cat
4 Tex
5 Botts
6 Blalock
7 Kinsler
8 Byrd
9 Laird
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 11:36 AM CDT
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Very passable
We could contend with that lineup and our current pitching staff.
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 11:45 AM CDT
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that is the '08 lineup without a Tex trade
Regarding Cat --
Players sometimes play below their career averages. About half the time, actually.
Cat has hit well and got on base all his career.
He's also hit a lot better since April.
He's another guy getting kneejerked by the board.
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 12:19 PM CDT
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He's also a guy
Career line: .294/.359/.451 OPS+ 108. I don't think that it is out of the realm of possibility to think that he could return to at least close to that next year. That's why I would platoon him with Byrd in LF in the 8 hole.
We better get a lot more than that out of the 3 hole, though. Especially if you are going to win games at RBiA.
by badradiorules on
Jul 26, 2007 12:38 PM CDT
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Cat's monthly splits
May .280/.400/.560 OPS .960 25 ABs
June .246/.313/.410 OPS .723 61 ABs
July .304/.353/.391 OPS .744 46 ABs
Considering he has limited at best defensive value due to no arm, and limited speed, and considering all but 6 ABs are against righties, he hasn't been very good even recently.
If you look at his most comparable hitters in PECOTA and baseball reference, there are a whole lot of people whose careers petered out at a relatively young age.
by DJCahill on
Jul 26, 2007 1:06 PM CDT
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Cat
by t ball on
Jul 26, 2007 1:12 PM CDT
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allright, swap him and MY
The point I was trying to make was not exactly what lineup we'd have in '08, but rather that it would be pretty easy to put together a competitive one -- with the pieces we already have in the organization.
Which begs the whole point of trading Tex. I don't want to go into '08 knowing the team doesn't have the pieces to compete. That just sucks. SUCKS. Particularly if we don't have to do that.
The whole idea of trading Tex is a form of mass insanity*, just like the idea of trading Gagne was (though people seem to have backed off that, after AJM and Newberg both came out and said we should keep him).
*mass insanity: a condition in which most of the rest of LSB, except Sharkey and NYCMuscleFag, do not agree with me. The insanity in such cases is truly massive, because it probably includes me.
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 1:51 PM CDT
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As far as gagne goes
by DJCahill on
Jul 26, 2007 1:55 PM CDT
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DJCahill you are a nattering nabob
And I mean that in the best possible way. I'm sure you're a great guy. I know you are trying to be a realist. But the world doesn't always get worse, and players don't always underperform, and one of these days Texas will win a playoff series.
When it happens, the team will have exceeded expectations that year, because... we all expect them to lose. Every damn year.
Hopefully it happens before you and I die.
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 2:08 PM CDT
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Explain to me
The logic baffles me. If we can't negotiate an extension right now, I don't think it gets any easier in the offseason when free agency is just days away.
I still say, extend him, or trade him. If he is going to be a part of the future plans of the Rangers, make the contract happen.
by DJCahill on
Jul 26, 2007 2:15 PM CDT
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There's a good answer to this
I think JD starts talking extension with Gagne after the trade deadline, if he's still here. It would be inappropriate to start those talks before the deadline.
by LukeR on
Jul 26, 2007 2:33 PM CDT
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If that is the plan
It is not inappropriate to start extension talks anytime they mutually agree to do so.
My money is on Gagne entering the free agent market, as the vast majority of Boras's clients do.
I remember an earlier absurd fantasy piece years ago by Newberg on how Teixeira was going to re-sign with the Rangers because he was in charge of the negotiations and not Boras, but I'll believe it when I see it. The vast majority of Boras's clients who can enrich themselves on the free agent market do so.
If you can make a trade better than the draft picks you will get for Gagne, you do it, because most likely he isn't coming back. If he is, you can negotiate it now. To do anything else would be just another bad move by JD.
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Jul 26, 2007 2:41 PM CDT
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MY
by badradiorules on
Jul 27, 2007 10:21 AM CDT
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atlanta being abuzz with Tex talk
by ab03 on Jul 26, 2007 10:09 AM CDT 0 recs
haha
by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 26, 2007 11:12 AM CDT
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honestly
I especially think that some of them will be scratching their heads if pitching doesn't come back in a Tex deal, wonedering why they wouldn't have just extended Tex if they are worried about offense.


