The newest Rosenthal stuff
The latest from Ken Rosenthal:
The Braves, according to major-league sources, have made the Rangers a whopper of an offer for first baseman Mark Teixeira. The Angels, sources say, also have submitted a substantial bid.
From the Braves, the Rangers would receive three highly regarded young players -- catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class AA left-hander Matt Harrison and Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus -- while giving up only Teixeira.
The Rangers want a better pitching prospect than Harrison, a source says. But at a time when teams are reluctant to trade inexpensive prospects for high-priced veterans, the proposed deal would be a coup for Rangers general manager Jon Daniels.
The Angels, meanwhile, are offering two players for Teixeira, according to sources. The Rangers want a third piece added -- something the Angels probably won't do unless they get a second player back.
First baseman Casey Kotchman is part of the Angels' proposal. The other player is a pitcher, most likely left-hander Joe Saunders, but possibly Class AAA right-hander Ervin Santana. The Rangers also want a top prospect, perhaps Class AAA third baseman Brandon Wood.
Kotchman and Saunders are more established than any of the players the Braves are offering. However, Kotchman's upside might not be as high as the switch-hitting Saltalamacchia's. And the Rangers would require the Angels to pay a higher price because they play in the same division.
The Dodgers remain the wild card in the Teixeira sweepstakes. They proposed first baseman James Loney, outfielder Andre Ethier and Class AAA right-hander John Meloan for Teixeira and right-handed reliever Joaquin Benoit, according to one source.
However, the fragile state of the Dodgers' rotation could force them to focus solely on pitching, and the Rangers are insisting that they include Class A left-hander Clayton Kershaw, a Dallas native, in a Teixeira deal.
A few thoughts:
- The language on the Dodger deal is interesting..."proposed" is different from "offered". The first suggests, "If we were to make this offer, would you take it?" The second is, "Here's what we are willing to do." Maybe it is the lawyer in me, but I'm wondering if the Dodger package is actually on the table, or if it has just been floated to see if that is something Daniels would accept.
- Kotchman and Saunders wouldn't do it for me. Both of those guys are relatively low-ceiling players. I'd want Adenhart, or possibly Wood (who I'm not as high on as a lot of people), before I'd really consider that, considering what other offers are out there.
- I wonder if the Rangers are going to offer former Brave prospect Max Ramirez back to Atlanta, with Teixeira, to get an upgrade over Harrison.
- I don't like Ethier that much. Seems like a tweener. And the Dodger offer -- Loney, Ethier and Meloan -- is lacking in the big-time, high-ceiling guy that it seems Daniels wants (like Saltalamacchia, Adenhart, or Kershaw would be).
- I have to wonder if we aren't going to end up seeing a Clay Buchholz/Jacoby Ellsbury on the tabble before this is all said and done. Particularly if the Yanks get within 5.5 games of Boston before the deadline.
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once again
by kumar75150 on Jul 27, 2007 5:06 PM CDT 0 recs
because
by kumar75150 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:55 PM CDT
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When was
Saltalamacchia is the best prospect in all these packagaes. Elvis Andrus has much more value because he has the upside tag. If he develops, he can be fantastic, if not, you can trade him when he gets to AA.
It's ridiculous to determine the value of prospects based solely on "what have they done in the majors".
by FirebatM3 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:57 PM CDT
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who said anything about
by kumar75150 on
Jul 27, 2007 7:41 PM CDT
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Yeah
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 6:00 PM CDT
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well
If you trade Laird and commit to Salty at catcher, then Im on board with the Atlanta deal.
by kumar75150 on
Jul 27, 2007 7:38 PM CDT
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fwiw
He was on his way to being truly special before that injury.
by thedirkatron on
Jul 27, 2007 7:49 PM CDT
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Mateo/BA
FWIW, the only Rangers to ever rank higher than Mateo on a BA Top 100 were Tex (#1, 2003), Blalock (#3, 2002), and Juan Gone (#4, 1990). Even Pudge never got higher than #7, which he did in 1992. Tex is the only other Ranger besides Mateo to crack the Top 10 twice- he was #10 in 2002.
Kurt Miller (#14 in 1992 and #11 in 1993) and Carlos Pena (#11, 2001) are the only other Ranger prospects to crack the top 20 on BA's list. Miller and Coco Cordero are the only two pitchers to even break the top 30, though Colby Lewis just missed in 2003.
by RCCook on
Jul 27, 2007 8:23 PM CDT
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And yet...
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 8:58 PM CDT
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Definitely
That'll be pretty sweet to have two prospects ranked that highly, if it happens.
by RCCook on
Jul 27, 2007 10:24 PM CDT
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Good God
by i hit straight ball very much on Jul 27, 2007 5:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Normally
by fsujon on
Jul 27, 2007 5:21 PM CDT
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This is why...
Such a moral dilemma: Root for Yankees and the Rangers do better or root against the Yankees and it possibly be worse?
by GhettoBear04 on
Jul 27, 2007 8:50 PM CDT
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Waiting to long?
by nrrh on Jul 27, 2007 5:11 PM CDT 0 recs
thats my concern
Then again, the buzz around the braves is the players there are already hyped that they may be getting tex, so if the braves withdraw from the bidding that won't be good for clubhouse morale.
by rentz on
Jul 27, 2007 5:31 PM CDT
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maybe
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:32 PM CDT
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are you saying
really?
by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2007 5:13 PM CDT 0 recs
I don't know
Salt/Andrus > Loney/Ethier, I think.
I guess it is a question of whether you want the high-upside guys, or the safe bets.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 5:16 PM CDT
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dodgers
I was really high on ethier when he was in the texas league in the A's system but he hasn't impressed me much since being in the big leagues.
I like meloan much better than harrison, not sure i like him enough over harrison to say no to the braves if I'm jd though.
by rentz on
Jul 27, 2007 5:22 PM CDT
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with a higher career OPS
by tricer on
Jul 27, 2007 9:27 PM CDT
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and
by tricer on
Jul 27, 2007 9:42 PM CDT
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I would
by FirebatM3 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:21 PM CDT
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ok
but id still take it first.
by DSheppard on
Jul 27, 2007 5:28 PM CDT
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Dodger offer
The other part of the trade, Meloan and Ethier...they're better than Elvis and Harrison.
by Longhorn on Jul 27, 2007 5:17 PM CDT 0 recs
Loney
More like Adrian Gonzalez...good chance of being a solid player, but not a star.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 5:20 PM CDT
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Victor Martinez?
by FirebatM3 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:25 PM CDT
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Yeah
Middle range more like Mike Sweeney, low-end is...I don't know, Craig Wilson?
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 5:35 PM CDT
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it always comes back to craig wilson with you
by DSheppard on
Jul 27, 2007 5:38 PM CDT
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Berkman
by Longhorn on
Jul 27, 2007 5:39 PM CDT
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Berkman
by FirebatM3 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:43 PM CDT
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Loney
I like Loney a lot, but I hesitate to say he's the best player on the board right now.
by thedirkatron on
Jul 27, 2007 5:21 PM CDT
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And...
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 5:22 PM CDT
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That hardly matters
by FirebatM3 on
Jul 27, 2007 5:27 PM CDT
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exactly
by rentz on
Jul 27, 2007 5:24 PM CDT
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That Boston offer
Buchholz is a freaking STUD.
by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2007 5:18 PM CDT 0 recs
I think JD
by RangerMad on Jul 27, 2007 5:20 PM CDT 0 recs
AJM
by Longhorn on Jul 27, 2007 5:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Adam
#4 Loney, Ethier, Meloan. If you substituted Kemp for AE, wouldn't that easily be the best deal? I think it would.
Except, "First baseman Casey Kotchman is part of the Angels' proposal. The other player is a pitcher, most likely left-hander Joe Saunders, but possibly Class AAA right-hander Ervin Santana. The Rangers also want a top prospect, perhaps Class AAA third baseman Brandon Wood."
Kotch, Santana, and Wood. 3 guys who used to be on the HOF fast track, supposedly. That wouldn't be a bad haul, either.
Obviously, neither of those deal are on the table like the Braves offer apparently is, but if they were, which seems less and less unlikely, I'd have to conclude they be mo mo better than Schuerlholz's.
by Brian Thomas on Jul 27, 2007 5:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah
#4 -- On Kemp, sure, but I don't see that happening.
I don't want Santana, so a Kotchman, Wood, Santana package doesn't make me that excited.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 6:02 PM CDT
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West coast hearings
Now, read as much into this as you like, and these are just the normal afternoon show hacks, but here was their question:
"It is going to take Kotchman, Saunders and either Wood or Adenhart to get this deal done. Do you do it? And does Stoneman do it?"
Now, the prevailing winds from Stark and the hosts is that Stoneman actually is planning on making a splash, and that everyone knows that he HAS to acquire someone, otherwise the Angels are dead come playoff time.
Secondly, both hosts and every fan (but one) calling in were for that trade. Without much hesitation. Some were suggesting giving up more.
I don't know what that is worth - but in this fight for LA that Arte Moreno has started - the fans are demanding that Stoneman play ball...
by JBImaknee on Jul 27, 2007 6:17 PM CDT 0 recs
very interesting
Unless, of course, Bucholz or Hughes enters the discussion.
by tricer on
Jul 27, 2007 8:44 PM CDT
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Loney
Because he hasn't hit for extraordinary power in the minors means he won't develop 30+ home run potential down the road?
And as far as .400 OBP goes, his BB and SO ratios show he has a pretty good eye at a relatively young age. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility to think his walks will improve.
Loney is equal to the prospect of Salty right now and while Salty may have a tad more upside (if he stays at catcher), noone can say for sure right now who will end up the better player.
If the Rangers can throw Benoit into the deal to get Kershaw, then the Rangers need to do that deal in a heartbeat over an Braves scenario. Maybe even throw Gagne in and try to get Kemp back from the Dodgers.
Time to get creative with the Dodgers. They have the most talent available and will give the Rangers best overall package in my opinion.
Loney comparables by PECOTA besides Gonzalez also include Morneau (he's got some pop I hear), Aramis Ramirez, Garrett Atkins, and Brad Fullmer. He might be a better fielder than all of those guys as well.
by jctrampe on Jul 27, 2007 8:47 PM CDT 0 recs








