Stark on the Teixeira situation

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2007 11:04 PM CDT in News Comment 79 comments

Jayson Stark has an update on the Mark Teixeira situation...

In a nutshell, he's echoing what we've been thinking the last 24 hours or so...Anaheim is still in and is offering Casey Kotchman and Joe Saunders plus a third player, but the third player won't be Nick Adenhart or Brandon Wood. Atlanta has an offer out there but is still trying to get C.J. Wilson as part of the deal. And Jon Daniels is waiting to see if Boston, the Dodgers, or the Yankees will step in and offer Buchholz, Kershaw, or Chamberlain (or Hughes) at the 11th hour.

David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution thinks Atlanta will end up snagging Teixeira and a reliever, likely Ron Mahay (although they would really like C.J. Wilson or Eric Gagne).

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well

as long as they don't do something stupid and throw cj in as a reliever in a trade package then i'm pretty much ok with whatever at this point.
i just want it done

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

could the braves

offer enough to justify including cj in a trade? (in our minds at least)

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't

think they have anything else that would push us to include him, unless they somehow add Reyes and another piece, which i still probably wouldn't do.

Ian Kinsler is my homeboy

by amr512 on Jul 28, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

reyes

I really am not that interested in him, I like harrison better.

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too,

that's why it would have to be both + another guy

Ian Kinsler is my homeboy

by amr512 on Jul 28, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not in my mind

i don't really think they have anything to justify throwing cj into a deal, unless they dangle a young pitcher back at us with mlb experience like davies who i'd have no interest in and think cj could do better than as a starter.

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what if

we got a package including francouer, saltalamacchia and maybe a guy like davies.

Franc would instantly upgrade our outfield, and if saltalamacchia is a good as everyone else says he is then we would be in pretty good shape for a while.

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

francouer

what would be the point of the braves dealing him though?

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no i know

they wouldn't do it, i just think that if they did, that's a deal we have to jump on.

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and

who will the Braves play in RF?

by Randy Richardson on Jul 28, 2007 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

saltalamacchia's not playing now, so tex would replace francouer's production, and then some. Then the braves could have an outfield of willie harris, matt diaz and andruw jones, and maybe call up a guy like brandon jones. Not the best oufield out there but harris and diaz have been very good this year,both playing mostly full time, and you know what you're getting from jones.

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its not even worth arguing

Francoeur has just no chance of getting involved in this trade.

if you want more players you are talking minor leaguers.

by DSheppard on Jul 28, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

never said he actually would

the guy above said he didn't think the braves had enough to justify and cj trade, and i simply asked what would be done if francouer was added. Purely hypothetical

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hypothetically

I'm no francouer fan. I think he strikes out too much and doesn't have the ops to make that tolerable. If you think people complain about wilkerson, imagine what they'd do with francouer.

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wilk and Francoeur

Francoeur- AVG .293 | HR 11 | RBI 68 | OBP .336 | SLG .433 SO- 22.1 %

Wilkerson- AVG .225 | HR 15 | RBI 46 | OBP .304 | SLG .476 SO- 35.2 %

by coolaid on Jul 28, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

i knew someone would try to directly compare them after i said that.
Francouer is a better player than wilk, my main point was he's a guy who k's a lot and doesn't have great ops.

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

you're right his ops isn't very high but its not like he's going to reach ryan howard strike out numbers. Hell wilkerson has 10 less k's in almost 200 less AB's

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Francoeur is great

with RISP and compared to Wilkerson he is younger better defensively and doesn't strike out as much as Wilkerson.

by coolaid on Jul 28, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

risp

yeah, we already have a guy great with RISP... sosa.
lot of good he's doing.
again, NOT saying wilkerson is better... he was just the best comparison on the rangers i could think of as having high K #'s that people gripe about

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

whoa

if you're complaining about a guy who is 7 yrs younger and only strikes out 15% of his plate appearances, compared to wilkerson's 35% and is hitting 70 points higher, then we have a problem here. No he doesn't walk as much but i think i might take the chance on him.

Again not saying the deal makes sense though.

by Lonerangers on Jul 28, 2007 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

strikeouts

22.1% according to the stats listed above.

again, not saying wilkerson is better.
all i'm saying is he doesn't do much for me.

Spider pig, Spider pig does whatever a spider pig does

by rentz on Jul 28, 2007 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would defeat the purpose

of trading for Teixeira

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stark's worried

about JD waiting too long too. I've been saying that since Thursday. Tonight should be Tex's last game as a Ranger, no reason to play him tomorrow. Let everybody know they have until a certain time tomorrow to come with a deal, and if nobody does send him to Atlanta. If Schuerholz pulls out of this deal because JD waited to long it'll be a bigger screw up than the CY trade.

by nrrh on Jul 28, 2007 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Schuerholz

He'd only do that if there were a better deal out there for the Braves.

You've got guys in the clubhouse already talking about Teixeira being there.

You've got your future HOF CF'er in his last year with the team, and guys like Chipper and Smoltz who are on the backside of their careers.

If he says, "we do the deal by noon Sunday or I'm out," and ends up with nothing Tuesday night, that's a bad situation for him.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Hopefully this doesn't come back to bite me but I think that Scherholz has been screwed over by his own team during the discussions about a possible trade.

It appears as though Daniels has the upper hand because Atlanta doesn't have a better option right now, at least as far as I have heard.

Daniels can probably wait until Tuesday afternoon, if he wanted, and then go back to Atlanta and say 'deal' if nothing better comes along.

The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall.

by Suicide Prince on Jul 28, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

trade deadline in general

daniels really appears to have the trade deadline on a silver platter for him.

best hitter on the market. best relief pitcher on the market. one of the better outfielders on the market (already traded).

bullpens accross the mlb struggling.
braves struggling, team and fans now getting desperate for tex and the hopeful spark to get their team going again.

even someone like wigginton going to a non contender. cincinatti apparently not doing much with dunn (of course, who knows whats going on behind the scenes).

its all set up for him... now hes just got to make the deals. of course, thats not exactly easy.

by DSheppard on Jul 28, 2007 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the only way it could be better for JD

is if he still had a healthy Aki to deal.

Me and Billy the Kid never got along. I didn't like the way he cocked his hat and he wore his gun all wrong.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2007 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep

there's more pressure on Schuerholz. It is very unusual to have team leaders talking about how great it would be to add a specific player. It would be a complete letdown for the Braves if they don't add Tex or some other significant piece by the deadline.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 28, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This losing streak isn't a concern

to you? Maybe it's just paranoia, but something about a team that could be just one game above .500 by Tuesday afternoon trading its top prospect for a stretch run. Or at least that's what the hyper-panicky voice Rangers fan voice in my head says.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Braves

they have 9 games remaining against both Philly and the Mets, so they control their own destiny.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 28, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

it's not like they're going to be out of the race. They just don't have the look of a serious WS contender. I know, I know, neither did the Cards last fall. Like I said, I'm worried because it's the Rangers and there is something to lose.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a little worrisome

And with someone like Schuerholz, you figure that's not going to be as likely to make him panic as another g.m.

Still, given their situation, given where they are in the playoff race, I have a hard time seeing them backing off.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Question...

4 scenarios:

Dodgers: Loney, Ethier, Kershaw, BUT we have to give up CJ Wilson

Angels: Kotchman, our choice of Santana or Saunders, and a minor prospect basically

Braves: Salt., Harrison and Andrus

D-Backs: Jackson, Brett Anderson and Quentin

Which do you take?

by Pitcher15 on Jul 28, 2007 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'll take ...

I'll stick with Atlanta ... then Dodgers ... then Arizona ... then Anaheim.

by northtexan95 on Jul 28, 2007 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A

Obviously have no interest in losing Wilson but it's Kershaw.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I

will take the Dodgers, even thought I would rather keep CJ and offer Benoit,Mahay, and Gagne first

by fsujon on Jul 28, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scenarios

Braves
D-Backs
Dodgers (and I might ask them to throw in Betemit if we have to give up CJ, just so he can replace Hairston or Relaford)

Angels

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 28, 2007 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seconded

on Betemit. They seem adverse to using him, and I think he'd be great in our park. The biggest issue would be that he's a little similar to Blalock in that his primary role should be as a 3B vs RHP. But he can back up 2B and even SS, and he continues to evolve as a hitter, now into kind of a big power hitting IF with solid plate control and a so-so BA. Anyway, I like him and would try to get him thrown into a deal with them.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

first choice

would be the Dodgers.

but a close second would be the Dbacks.

both of those scenarios offer the magic ingredient that the other offers are missing - elite pitching.

Me and Billy the Kid never got along. I didn't like the way he cocked his hat and he wore his gun all wrong.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2007 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would do the braves

if we do the braves i think we have a better posibillity of trading laird and beniot for pie AND still have wilson who could in the future either be our closer, relievr, or maybe even a starter. thats getting 2 starters this year who we know can play at this level. a lefty ground ball specialist who keeps that ball low which will be great for our ballpark(when was the last somebody said that) a shortstop who could be the next edgar renteria. and your giving up a guy who will be gone after 08. a catcher who would have been gone when teagrden was ready to play, and a reliever who we've been waiting for to pitch like this for years now, and were benfiting from it and cashing in big, lets get it done JD

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 28, 2007 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

whoever gets Tex.......

will be soreley dissapointed!

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No joke.

It's going to suck to have a .950 OPS guy batting in the middle of their lineup.

by Athos on Jul 29, 2007 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you dont look at him...

and realize hes a douchebag then you have my apologies........its always about #'s around here.
you watch, Atlanta will rue the day they dished out 3 prospects for Tex.......unless they get to start playing their home games in the RBIA.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

for the record I just want to say that I think Tex will have a HOF career and it will still be worth it to trade Tex.

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Jul 29, 2007 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i cant believe........

youve watched that guy for the last x # of years and come to that conclusion.

His best asset is his defense. People gave AROD shit....TEX is the king of empty #'s.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is a stupid conversation

and I should learn my lesson about engaging in them,

but just pointing out the obvious - Arod is going to own a couple of significant records with his "empty" numbers, will be a sure fire first ballot hall of famer, and most likely be considered the best all around position player of our generation (possibly longer).

empty numbers isn't exactly a real argument.

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Jul 29, 2007 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is he a douche?

And his numbers aren't horribly skewed between home and road. He's still about a .900 OPS guy on the road.

by Athos on Jul 29, 2007 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wish i had a better answer.........

but he just looks like one.

FWIW Hank is my favorite Ranger.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is the most irrational load of crap ...

... I've ever seen in the comments to this blog--and that's saying something.

by Athos on Jul 29, 2007 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not as irrational

as suggesting that Clippard and Gardner aren't untouchable along with the rest of the Trenton roster. I mean come on.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2007 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fine.

But it's definitely in the top 10.

by Athos on Jul 29, 2007 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe.

I heard that someone on here suggested that the Yankees might actually consider dealing DSLer Jimmy Paredes. What a load of crap! And there's no telling how many more absurd posts like that there are on here. Oh and Chase Wright is now untouchable too.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2007 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeez

This Yankee thing has really gotten under your skins, huh?

Would it make you feel better if I composed a 20,000 word diary where I compared every single player in their system to Drew Meyer? :)

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2007 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

it's very much under my skin. And that would certainly make me feel better.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2007 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I may have hit on something below

for you to salve yourself. Every time you read a Yankee is untouchable, just say to yourself that it means "I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole in trade for (insert name here)".

mmmmmm...64 slices of American cheese...

by t ball on Jul 29, 2007 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Meyer

is untouchable. Not in the he's too good to trade sense, more like in a medieval he's "unclean" so don't touch him way.

mmmmmm...64 slices of American cheese...

by t ball on Jul 29, 2007 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Yankees don't have a farm system

They have a caste system.

by a bebop a rebop on Jul 29, 2007 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Try this.........

Id include Millwood with Tex to land Kemp, Kershaw, and Loney......if the Dodgers are interested in pitching.

That fat motherfucker shows up for camp overweight every year......cant even go 6........has to "work" himself into shape.

How about you show up ready to go..........and you to TEX.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Douchebags

can still be really good baseball players. And plenty of douchebags win WS. Check out the last championship Angels roster or that most recent Reds team.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2007 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if yall didnt .....

keep giving me the stats I would swear he sucks. Maybe thats because he does all his producing after the break when the team is burried.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

and good teams might think its a good thing that he kicks into high gear in the second half as opposed to putting up numbers in the first half and then fading.

in fact, I thought Mr. April was Arod's backhanded compliment nickname. Damned if you, damned if you don't for some people.

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Jul 29, 2007 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AROD

is twice the player TEX is.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My favorite color is orange!

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Jul 29, 2007 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

awesome!

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who cares

its business...we get our guys and say thnak you

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 29, 2007 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

tired head...

this shit is giving me tired head........

Sad but true...........losing lofton will affect this team more than losing Tex.

Come on statheads.........give me somne fucking #'s about how great he is...........hes a goddamn spare.......oh dear...did he just say.........yes! hes a fucking spare and whatever we get will look like rape once the team that aquires him misses the playoffs.

Quit telling me about fucking Byrd..........he will not be a regular starter on this team next year..........why..........because hes a career spare....sell high on that fucker.........please!

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

heh

by Lonerangers on Jul 29, 2007 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

drunk?

by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2007 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

for sure

get this......white zin all day. Just got back from a wedding. They had an Elvis impersonater........not bad. Good times!

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

go to bed

by rubbersoul103 on Jul 29, 2007 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"White Zin" all day

Yet another reason to sneer at you.

It's a crime White Zinfandel even gets to call itself wine.

However, that's a pretty good match. "White Zin" is essentially the Elvis impersonator of wines, so to speak.

My salutations...

I will not get my comeuppance!

by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zin

although, kudos if the goal was to get drunk and that was the only drink available at the wedding. As Rummy would say, you drunk with the drinks you got, not necessarily the drinks you want.

mmmmmm...64 slices of American cheese...

by t ball on Jul 29, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha. Rummy jokes-I love em.

Agreed.

But, I would have to qualify those kudos, however, on the caveat that there was either a) no transportation available to purchase anying more suitable (as in, for example, anything), or b) a complete kibosh on non-white zinfandel products, "probably" decreed by a female.

And of course, that female would have to be someone you are hoping to knock boots with.

For the first time.

I will not get my comeuppance!

by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

age dependent as well

When I was 19 or so I would get drunk any way I could, especially if it was free. Quantity was more important than quality, and an open bar was heaven.

mmmmmm...64 slices of American cheese...

by t ball on Jul 29, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

im worked up

JD is giving me blue balls.

Make a deal already............

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i get the fealing

JD could make about 4 deals and i also get the fealing he could trade nobody, but i thik we will atleats trade tex. i wish tomorrow was tuesday...im gonna be sitting through church bored off my ass wondering if anything has happened, then when its over ill run to the car to see if anything has been done

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 29, 2007 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

to be honest.........

im just a hard core Ranger fan with limited knowledge of stats............my baseball weenie is in dire straits and in need of someone fun to watch.....Pie, Ellsbury, etc.

Ive always wanted this thing to get a guy who could rome CF like a mofo. I think a great CF is what it will take for this thing to ever get going.

Weve got to get better up the middle.

MY, Kinsler, and Byrd will not cut it.

Thats the prob with the ATL deal. Salt aint better at D than Laird and youve done nothing to help the outfield

Please get Pie.

I stand corrected

by rkh on Jul 29, 2007 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs