More on the problem with Torii Hunter

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 2:32 PM CDT in News

One of the things that caught my eye with Evan Grant's projected five year lineups was Torii Hunter still manning centerfield in 2012.

Hunter is 32 right now. In 2012, he'll be 37 years old. I don't think he's going to be able to handle centerfield at age 37.

And looking at his PECOTA comps, you have to wonder whether he'll even be able to still play at age 37.

The #1 PECOTA comp for Hunter is Glenallen Hill. He was a part-time player in his early 30s, and out of baseball by age 37.

#2 is Gary Ward, whose last full-time season was at age 33, and who was out of baseball by age 37.

#4 is Brian Jordan, done as a full-time player by age 35, although he kept playing through his age 37 season.

#5 and #6 are Tiger teammates Larry Herndon and Chet Lemon. Lemon, to me, is one of the best comps to Hunter, and his age 35 season was his last. Herndon was a part-time player in his early-30s, and was done by 35.

#7, Cesar Cedeno, was done as a full-timer by age 33, and done altogether by age 35. The elder Gary Matthews, #8, had his last full-time season was age 35, and his last season at age 36.

#10, Al Cowens, was done as a full-timer by age 33, and retired before he turned 35. #11, Dave Henderson, was done by 35. So were #14 and #18, Jeffrey Leonard and Bernard Gilkey.

The only guys on the comp list who really sustained solid careers into their late 30s are Andre Dawson and Moises Alou. And Hunter isn't in their league as a hitter.

Torii Hunter isn't an elite centerfielder. He's a good, not great, player who is going to be worse, not better, over the next five years than his previous five years. He's a guy who will probably be no more than a 4th outfielder, if that, four years from now.

Please, please, please...no Torii Hunter in Texas.

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Agree

but to go completely on PETCOA comps is almost not fair

by meatbonelefty on Aug 14, 2007 2:31 PM CDT 0 recs

I'm not...

...going completely on PECOTA comps...

I'm using the PECOTA comps to show how similar players have aged.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

How About we use

His SPARE offensive stats.

by M_Y_isDANK on Aug 14, 2007 2:40 PM CDT 0 recs

How about also....

not signing Zambrano to a $100 million contract (five years at $20 mill?), moving Hurley into the rotation in '08 and replacing Whiffy at first base with Chris Davis?

by doolindalton on Aug 14, 2007 2:41 PM CDT 0 recs

Yah

If Davis keeps it up through even the end of 2007, the team will keep 1B warm for him.

I'm believing he could be up by next year. Timely to get some power in the lineup, too.

by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

No OFs this winter...

Just let the CFs pass by this offseason, go hard after Zambrano to lead up the rotation, but don't lock him into a deal any longer than 5 years. There's a few good ones, but none that are either break-down concerns by the time their contracts are up (Rowand, Hunter), worth the money they'll be asking for (Jones, Hunter) or fit into what the Rangers will be looking for (Patterson). The only one that really seems like a good fit is Mike Cameron on a short-term deal, but you've gotta think he'll either be looking for more years or more of a championship-ready team than the Rangers...As for the other potential FAs, Adam Dunn shouldn't be an option, and while I'd almost be for taking a flier on Milton Bradley with an incentive based deal, I just don't see that as a real option, either.

Big Z is the only guy on this FA market that will be worth the money he gets a few years from now, and it just so happens he fits the mold of the Rangers biggest need. Big, intense power pitcher with alot of fire on the mound...He'd be the inning eater the Rangers had hoped Millwood and Padilla would be.

Zambrano, Millwood, McCarthy, Padilla, Gabbard looks miles better than Millwood, McCarthy, Padilla, Gabbard and ___.

by N41D on Aug 14, 2007 2:53 PM CDT 0 recs

Hunter

Will Hunter get a 5 year contract? A 3 year deal seems more reasonable, and 4 years would be pushing it. I know GMJ got five years, but he's a couple years younger than Hunter.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Aug 14, 2007 2:55 PM CDT 0 recs

Supposedly...

...6 years, $90-100 million is the number.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

blech

No thank you. Let the Giants sign him.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Aug 14, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

i'd bet you'd

fall all over yourself to offer that to Mike Cameron.

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by willamos2 on Aug 14, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

A 27 year old version of Cameron...

Probably.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

Adam

Are the odds of the Rangers signing Hunter as high as the rumors indicate? I don't see it as that great of a fit given the present status of the team.

"Hello", he lied.

by Clueless on Aug 14, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep, about what I've been saying.....

remember, somebody gave Carlos Lee 6/$100M.

by tklawless on Aug 14, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

If that's true, you've nothing to worry about Adam

I will not get my comeuppance!

by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

I like Rowand

by OKC Ranger Fan on Aug 14, 2007 3:03 PM CDT 0 recs

so is Byrd

just having a fluke year?

buffering....

by SteveP on Aug 14, 2007 3:06 PM CDT 0 recs

I think he is.

I like him as a 4th outfielder option, which means he'll get to play quite a bit since Wash is afraid to play his bench players. If we have a chance to win the division and he is the manager I sure hope he changes that. Our getaway game line-up looks terrible most of the time.

by OKC Ranger Fan on Aug 14, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Adam, you can post as often as you'd like...

about why Hunter shouldn't come here, but can't you feel that vibe in the air? The media and the organization itself (as extrapolated through things CJ and JD have said)) have Hunter in their sites, should he not return to Minnesota.

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by chief on Aug 14, 2007 3:15 PM CDT 0 recs

Kosuke Fukudome.....

Does anyone have thoughts on signing this guy? No, he isn't a CF, but I think he is intriguing. He has a .440 OBP.

by JB on Aug 14, 2007 3:26 PM CDT 0 recs

injured and maybe expensive

He is the most intriguing Japanese player to me this winter, but I think he just had surgery. That, and the fact that a lot of other teams are already scouting him makes me think he's a big risk that is going to get overpaid this winter. Still, I hope the Rangers have scouted him.

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by t ball on Aug 14, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

Daniels

Since all of his moves lately have the long term picture in mind I just don't see him being gung ho about Hunter for that length of time. I'd bet he's looking more toward putting together a trade like the Lester/Ellsbury deal you mentioned this morning more than a big free agent CF.

I'm going out to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for 10 minutes!

by t ball on Aug 14, 2007 3:35 PM CDT 0 recs

I agree

with you about Daniels.

unfortunately this will have Tom Hicks fingerprints all over it.

Gabbard is our "ace"...yes I believe that!

by rkh on Aug 14, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Much as I hate to say it

I'm not sure we can make Hicks a villain here. Apprently the Young trade happened in spite of his reservations, not because he wanted it. I think (OK, maybe just hope) Hicks may have learned from the debacle of the last seven years and back off. He's also said 2009 is the first year we have a real chance to compete.

Who knows? We'll see what happens in the offseason, but I'm less concerned about Hicks than I used to be.

by rodinuk on Aug 14, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think that Daniels' plan is a little more

complex than to just say that he's working toward the future. I think that there may be a priority toward that direction, but his move to build the base of the organization from the bottom up (very wise imo) doesn't preclude attempted simultaneous growth further up. I'm willing to throw out the Young/Eaton stuff, but he's worked at a few different levels besides "the future" even in the last year. He's tried to add entry level major leaguers on several occasions (Cruz, McCarthy, Tejeda, Saltalamacchia, Castro) in the second case at the expense of prospects thought to be further away. He's signed in-their-prime veterans to long term contracts when he's been able to, in the attempt to win more games immediately (Millwood, Padilla, Young), as well as past-their-prime ones (Lofton, Gagne) to fill in gaps and finish off the team for that year. And the only significant major leaguers he's dealt off have been guys who he saw as able to return more value than draft picks would, but who were inevitably leaving (Cordero, Soriano, Teixeira, Gagne, Lofton).

I think that part of his big picture view is to build a strong base, but I think that he intends to do that along the way where he can (by picking up extra picks, deadline deals when out of the race, signing DR and Venezuelan kids, getting a prospect added to a deal when possible - like Galarraga or Paisano) rather than the sole focal point of his tenure, if you will.

And this isn't in response to you but others I've seen question a direction, I think that the reason that some are unable to observe a direction is that they are taking too simple minded of an approach, and either aren't interested giving Daniels enough credit for whatever reason or aren't intelligent enough to appreciate a multifaceted approach.

by zywica on Aug 14, 2007 5:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Very nice summary

I kept my post painfully simple because I was at work and late for a meeting. That and I'm trying to convince myself that he's not going to sign Hunter. The point I wanted to make but didn't type is I am hoping he sees that signing Hunter to a long, expensive deal does not really help the team very much in the short term and might also hurt it down the road. This goes against two parts of the multifacet plan you outline.

Although he did say in the chat session last week that the CF is a priority he did not mention free agency and stressed defense and how it affects the pitching staff. Whether or not he thinks Hunter fits that profile...

I completely agree with your last paragraph, and would add that it applies somewhat to perceptions of Hicks as well. If Daniels has convinced Hicks that this approach is worth sticking through some tough times for, he may have done Ranger fans a tremendous service.

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by t ball on Aug 14, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

this is stupid

the 5 year lineup deal is completely stupid. he has us getting zambrano and santana. they will get max money from yanks, bosox, or mets, and will never even consider texas...much less getting carl crawford along with that. he will also draw more money than we are willing to pay.

by pwh9980 on Aug 14, 2007 3:45 PM CDT 0 recs

It would help if...

Murphy kept hitting 3 doubles/game.

by TedFord on Aug 14, 2007 3:54 PM CDT 0 recs

id rather sign Jones

if at his A game, he deserves a top 4 spot in the lineup and hes a couple years younger........love how Grant has us getting Zambrano, Santana, Crawford......

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by slash on Aug 14, 2007 3:54 PM CDT 0 recs

Abreu

I wonder if he will slip through the cracks this offseason. Perhaps we can get him on a one year deal and let him hold down a corner OF spot for a year, while JMJ and Boggs continue to develop.

If he performs, we can probably trade him in July, as well.

by clark on Aug 14, 2007 4:43 PM CDT 0 recs

Adam

I hope Evan Grant reads this specific post here. Or that you slip him an email with a link to it. Somebody in the visible press needs to at least make a statement about the Hunter circumstances and probabilities. Somebody who isn't viewed as a naysayer.

Time does funny things. The worst of which is, it keeps moving when you don't.

by Ed Coffin on Aug 14, 2007 4:47 PM CDT 0 recs

Hating Hunter

Adam, you bring up all valid points, and I appreciate your point of view, but you can't honestly tell me that 4 or even 5 years of Hunter in CF will be as bad as you make it sound. I think he can hit in this park with this team, and his fielding will be above average until maybe the last year or two. You can throw PECOTA at me all you want, I've got two players that played some good CF for a good while: Jim Edmonds is finally falling apart completely at age 37, but was pretty freakin' good up until that point. Maybe age 36 was a DECENT year instead of GOOD but you can't tell me you wouldn't plug the 2006 version of Edmonds into our lineup. And Steve Finley put together some good offense and defense into his 40's at CF as well. You can't tell me he's going to completely fall apart.

I'm all for it unless Murphy, Byrd, Boggs, etc. can prove they can be at BEST as good as Hunter will be BAD in his final year here...

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 14, 2007 4:51 PM CDT 0 recs

It isn't

That Torii Hunter would be a bad player in CF here year over year. It's the role he'd be expected to fill, rather immediately, and to an extent in the five year term. And the circumstances of the team, now to say three years out.

Why spend for five years of stardom when all you can get is two, or three tops, of better than average play? No one says he isn't good.

To me, the suggested contract he'd have to get would be pretty bad by the time the club is in a position to benefit from it.

Time does funny things. The worst of which is, it keeps moving when you don't.

by Ed Coffin on Aug 14, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Exactly

Torii's contract and play will be subpar exactly when the Rangers hopefully are actually competitive. I say pass on all the FA CFers this year.

I just thought about getting Lofton for another one year contract. I wonder how would that impact the Rangers 2008 draft picks?

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by WyoRanger on Aug 14, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Lofton

I'd be surprised if the Indians offered him arbitration. He might accept and they would be on the hook for 6 or 7 million. That being said, JD has said he wants a good defender in CF, so I doubt we'll see an aging Lofton make a comeback to Texas.

by Randy Richardson on Aug 14, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Lofton

I wouldn't rule him out.

Obviously, he's not plan A, but if Daniels can't work a trade for a kid, Kenny would probably be the best FA option, no?

I will not get my comeuppance!

by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

right

I said AJM brought up valid points...but in my mind, if we can get Torii to sign for say 4 years 50 million and throw in a 5th year option with incentives based on production, would that not be a good deal? I'm pretty sure we're not going to pay Andruw Jones what he wants and he'll prob. sign a 1 year deal w/Atlanta anyways, as bad of a year as he's had. Rowand I wouldn't mind at around 7 mil a year for 5 years, but that's not going to happen, I bet he goes for close to 10. And I'm not into that. I think we need a steady presence in CF like we've never really had here before...there's a reason why Tom Goodwin sticks out as the best CF in Rangers history in my mind...which is sad

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 14, 2007 5:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

David DeJesus

Watch this week and tell me if I'm crazy. I've said several times on here how much I would like to have DeJesus in CF as a Ranger next year.

He doesn't have the upside/won't cost as much in a trade as a Milledge/Ellsbury, and he won't be as expensive and lock you up as long as Hunter/Rowand/Jones.

They have a lot of internal OF options and I believe that he can be had.

He's not a superstar, but he's cheap, you'd have control over him for a few years until you can develop someone else, he's a nice, above average player that could lead-off and he's a low risk of being bad.

Ryan Church and Coco Crisp are a other possibilities in this mold, but I haven't been able to watch them near as much as I have DeJesus.

by badradiorules on Aug 14, 2007 6:31 PM CDT 0 recs

Yes. We are of like minds here...

I will not get my comeuppance!

by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

DeJesus

I'd be OK with acquiring him- he doesn't have much power, but he's a consistent .360 OBP guy, takes a few walks, and has some speed. And like you said, he likely wouldn't cost a ton in trade.

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by RCCook on Aug 14, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

He'd cost a lot

Just because they have options doesn't mean they'll be giving awawy a quality CF.

I'd guess that you'd have to give Hurley, Saltalamacchia or McCarthy. Kinsler or Wilson might get you in the area.

by zywica on Aug 14, 2007 7:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dejesus

I don't think he will be as easy to get as you seem to think.

The Royals have him locked up on a club friendly contract and I'm pretty sure that they would want young pitching for him. The last thing I want to do is trade away young pitching to fill a hole on a rebuilding team.

DeJesus contract:

08:$2.5M
09:$3.6M
10:$4.7M
11:$6M club option ($0.5M buyout)

Why would they trade away a productive young player with that type of contract?

Saltalamacchia: one player, six vowels.

by tricer on Aug 14, 2007 7:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

DeJesus

Well, if it takes as much as Z thinks, then I'm out. I was thinking some twosome of Volquez, Poveda, Galarraga, Rupe and Phillips.

The reason they would be willing to trade him is because cheap, productive young players they have, any decent young starting pitching, they lack.

Their biggest need on offense is at catcher and ss. They may be interested in Laird or Arias.

Plus, even with that contract he's still the most expensive of all of their young outfielders I believe.

by badradiorules on Aug 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

STRONGLY disagree

No offense man, but I just don't see how it makes any sense at all to be trading away ANY of that group of pitchers right now. Much less two of them for a 27 year old average CF. I hate the idea of signing Torii Hunter, but I'd rather do that than start dealing away minor league pitchers for David DeJesus.

You just don't know how young pitchers will develop and adapt to higher levels. The only way to make sure that you have some quality trickling up to the ML level is to stockpile them down below.

DeJesus is a nice player and I wouldn't mind having him, but what is he really going to do, other than plug the CF hole with decent performance/cost for the next 3 years. He is not a difference maker, and I don't want to deal away any young pitching unless we are getting back a guy that will be a difference maker for the next contending Ranger club.

Out of that group of 5 pitchers, I'd guess that maybe you will get a solid late inning reliever, a middle rotation starter, and a back end starter. There is always the chance that one of them really "gets it" and becomes more of a #2 starter type. At this point there is no telling which will develop into what, but the best chance to maximize the value to the big club is to keep all of them until they are mature.

Remember Aaron Harang, and remember that just because we have a nice collection of young pitchers - that doesn't mean that we need to go trading some of them off just to fill holes at the ML level with slightly above average players.

Saltalamacchia: one player, six vowels.

by tricer on Aug 14, 2007 11:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

How do you propose fixing the outfield?

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by Brian Thomas on Aug 15, 2007 8:30 AM CDT up 0 recs

Fixing OF vs. Fixing SP

I wouldn't worry as much about the OF until I got the rotation in better shape.

I would look to trade Laird, Aki, and possibly Kinsler or Duran and possibly another established ML relief arm to attempt to find a long-term solution in the OF, but that would be far less of a priority than getting the rotation in shape. Dirkatron's idea of bringing in a BORP like Patterson also makes some sense.

If push came to shove I'd be all right with running Byrd, Cruz, Murphy, Boggs, Diaz, and Cat out there next year in some type of OF rotation, as long as I could hang onto all the minor league SP depth.

I just think that the name of the game these days is developing your own young starters, and the best way to achieve that goal is to cling tightly to all the minor league arms. Maybe Volquez, Harrison, Kiker, Poveda, et al don't amount to much, but if just one of them hits their ceiling - there is a ton of value in that, and if only one of them does - I want to make sure they do it in a Texas uniform. Until the rotation is upgraded, the difference between Byrd and DeJesus in CF isn't going to make much of a difference in W/L.

Also if you are going to get max value by trading pitching prospects, I believe you need to wait until they are near ML ready. Guys like Poveda, Phillips, Schlact, Harrison, Gallaraga, etc probably don't have a ton of value at the moment. But once they reach AA/AAA or have broken into the ML, then you could deal from an excess, if it exists, and receive much better value than you would by dealing them now.

Saltalamacchia: one player, six vowels.

by tricer on Aug 15, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up 0 recs

example of last sentence

Look at Kason Gabbard. A year ago his trade value was probably very minimal, a throw in at best in any significant deal. By hanging onto him and developing him all the way to the ML level the Sox were able to use him as the major piece in a pretty big deal.

I think it pays to try and develop the young pitchers all the way to the cusp of the big leagues before trading them, unless you are dead certain that they will hit a wall before they reach that point.

Saltalamacchia: one player, six vowels.

by tricer on Aug 15, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'm not trying

to argue a lot with you. My idea on DeJesus is if you can trade something of value that comes from organizational depth, then get him. If not, don't. However, CF is a gaping hole here and I'm not into the FA's or BORP's (Patterson has proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's awful).

Trade is the only other option. I think that we are close to figuering out our rotation, at least for the short-term. Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Hurley and Gabbard next year with Volquez, Harrison, Galarraga, Loe, Tejeda and Rupe as insurance. Also, Kiker, Poveda, Phillips, Jones, etc. ready in a couple of years and too many guys to count for three or four years down the road.

I also would disagree that most guys gain value as they come up. Some of these guys have reached their ceiling and peak value and their value will drop as soon as they begin to fail at the upper levels. Also, the Royals lack serious depth of pitching in their minor league system. If we can do it for Aki and Laird, I'm great with that.

by badradiorules on Aug 15, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't know about them lacking

any decent, young starting pitching. I mean I'd take theirs over ours. Meche and Bannister are two of 19 AL SP with ERAs under four (Bannister is 9th) and have 1.19 and 1.33 WHIPs. That's two young, locked-up guys who are better than anything we have. Then you have interesting results coming from Leo Nunez and Kyle Davies, and two good arms to boot, plus Luke Hochevar, the first pick in the last draft. And Joakim Soria and Zach Greinke are premium arms pitching in the pen right now.

by zywica on Aug 14, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

agreed

What I find depressing is that looking at rosters of the Rays and Royals, they really have significantly better young talent than we do, all the way across the board.

Saltalamacchia: one player, six vowels.

by tricer on Aug 15, 2007 12:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

For now,

for now.

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by t ball on Aug 15, 2007 12:51 AM CDT up 0 recs

and for

the next half decade.

by DJCahill on Aug 15, 2007 6:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

Yep,

we're looking good in about 2012.

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by t ball on Aug 15, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

If I could make a deal now

that we would end up in last place between now and 2011 but would end up in the AL Championship series in 2012, I'd take it in a heart beat.

by DJCahill on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up 0 recs

The DRays

have a scary set of pitchers coming along. Kazmir and Shields have been two of the best pitchers in the AL this year and are clearly cogs. Jackson, I really don't count on him for anything, but there are flashes as we saw. But they have a top ten pitching prospect in McGee, a top twenty in Davis, both in AA now, and hopefully for them, Price. Plus Niemann just hanging in there in AAA. And that doesn't count guys like Hammel, Talbot, Sonnanstine, or some of the other lower level guys, middle tier guys like that. But out of Price/Kaz/Shields/Davis/McGee/Niemann/Jackson, they're going to find four really good starters.

And of course they'll have the #1 pick next year too. Add all of that, plus Longoria, plus Brignac, to what they have growing on their major league roster, and it's really hard to see how they couldn't be very good soon.

Side note, if they don't sign Price they'll be the first team ever to have the first two picks of the draft.

by zywica on Aug 15, 2007 1:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

Although I've done zero research

on that last statement...

by zywica on Aug 15, 2007 1:24 AM CDT up 0 recs

If that happens

They should plan on busting the budget to sign both picks, whoever they are. They could have at least one stud position player ready to graduate with all those arms at the same time.

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by t ball on Aug 15, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

They will take...

...Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt...

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up 0 recs

I disagree and your right

They do have some nice young arms at the big league level. Their new GM has done a great job.

However, they do lack any kind of organizational depth in pitching. Meche, Bannister, Greinke, Soria and Davies are nice young arms, even De la Rosa has come a long ways.

However, outside of Hochevar (who I would rank behind Hurley by the way), there really isn't much else along the lines of quality arms.

Again, if they mention Hurley or want a ton in return, I'm out. However, if they try to use him as a way of adding a catcher and nice A+ arm, I'm in with that.

by badradiorules on Aug 15, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

by tricer on Aug 14, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

#3 on his list

Methuselah

by zywica on Aug 14, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

#7 on the list

This guy. Until Friday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6535389/

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

Fun with copy and paste

Michael Young isn't an elite shortstop. He's a good, not great, player who is going to be worse, not better, over the next five years than his previous five years.

Can he swing from a web? No he can't,cause he's a pig. Look out! He is the Spider-Pig!

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