My thoughts on the Ryan deal
In the movie "Knocked Up," Alison (Katherine Heigl) asks Ben (Seth Rogen) why he thinks Alison's brother-in-law, Pete, is cheating on Alison's sister, Debbie.
Ben says, "Because Debbie's a pain in the ass and Pete's awesome!"
It seems to me that that is the justification for a lot of the excitement about Nolan Ryan coming on board...if you ask why someone thinks this is so great, the answer seems to be a variation of "Because Tom Hicks is a pain in the ass and Nolan Ryan's awesome!"
Yeah, Tom Hicks has been a crappy owner, and there's no need to re-hash all the reasons why.
But does Nolan Ryan coming on board really do anything, you know, good for the franchise?
Yeah, yeah, there's the whole credibility thing, the restoring the faith of the fans and all that...but that's begging the question.
Is there any reason to believe that the franchise is better off with Nolan Ryan as team president than before?
On the business side, there's reason to be optimistic...Ryan has seemed to have done a very solid job overseeing the Round Rock Express and Corpus Christi Hooks, although there would seem to be a pretty big jump from overseeing the business side of a couple of minor league franchises and running a major league team worth several hundred million dollars.
But a lot of folks also seem convinced that having Ryan involved on the baseball side of the Rangers is going to be a positive, as well. And for the life of me, I can't understand why.
Yes, he was a major league player for twenty five years or whatever. You could say the same thing about Julio Franco. Should he be team president? If not, what's the difference?
A common theme seems to be, well, he's a good sounding board for Jon Daniels, and if he'd been here a couple of years ago maybe Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez wouldn't have been traded. But that ignores the fact that it was the veteran baseball men (particularly Buck Showalter) who pushed for that deal. And that also ignores the fact that there's zero evidence to lead one to believe that Ryan is going to be better than any other random former major leaguer at evaluating talent and making personnel decisions. Ryan wasn't, after all, really involved in the baseball side of things with the Astros.
My biggest concern about this has been that it is a sign that the Rangers were shifting directions yet again, that after 6 months or so of being committed to rebuilding and the plan Daniels has put in place, someone else is being brought in to implement his own plan and remake the team according to his own vision. The contract extension for Daniels alleviates some of that concern, along with reading that Ryan is 61 years old...maybe I'm wrong, but it seems unlikely someone of that age is going to want to come in, tear everything down, and completely start over.
But if that's the case, then what is Ryan's role on the baseball side going to be? If a miracle occurs and the Rangers are a game out of first place in late July, while the Indians are sitting at .500, and Mark Shapiro calls to talk about dealing C.C. Sabathia, who is he going to deal with...Daniels, or Ryan? Are Ryan and Hicks going to have to sign off on every deal now? Is Ryan going to want to be involved in negotiations? Is this going to turn into a situation like the ones in Baltimore and New York the past few years, where deals can't be done because it isn't clear who has authority to do a deal?
We're going to have to see how this plays out, and how everything fits into place. Hopefully, Ryan is basically a Tom Scheiffer type, someone who runs the business side while having just a light touch on the baseball end, someone who lets the people in place do their job.
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the last paragraph was a good assessment
And your comment about Julio Franco doesn't make sense. What has Julio done for baseball? Has he thrown 7 no-hitters or own the strikeout record? Or is he a hall of famer or future hall of famer? Probably not.
Dont be quick to think what Im saying is stupid but Ryans credintials are way better. To make an argument out of how long the were in the MLB is just plain stupid.
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What does being in the
I really hope those 7 no-hitters help him make business decisions.
by coolaid on Feb 6, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Dont be quick to think what Im saying is stupid but Ryans credintials are way better.
Why does throwing 7 no hitters give one better credentials to be the team president?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 6, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why even base your hatred on this assessment
The difference is AJM that Nolan has prior business success and is an icon. If used for nothing more than face for this team so be it. To say he isn't fit to run it and compare him to Julio is just plain wrong. Nolan had a huge successful pro career and there is nothing to say he wouldn't have it as a team President.
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
My point was simply that there are plenty of guys out there who have had long, successful pro careers, and the fact that Ryan has doesn't mean that he's going to be any more successful if you handed him the keys than someone like Julio Franco would be.
And if he's going to be the face of the team, and that's it, then that's fine. But that's different from overseeing both the business and baseball sides of the team, which is supposedly what is going to occur.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 6, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I read your statement wrong,
And I would think that having a long successful career could help. Being in the majors for so long Im sure he knows more about baseball than any of us. Im sure there are things he doesn't. But he is willing to devote to learning this process and I feel he will succeed.
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
Tom Hicks:
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 6, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get that feeling when watching the
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan's baseball accomplishments...
by Chris Hanes on Feb 6, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly dislike this
I love what JD is doing in rebuilding our farm system. It had to be done and it requires patience...not only from our fans but from Mr. Hicks as well. To change strategy at this point would be extremely upsetting and I'm not sure I could be a Rangers fan anymore.
The only positive I really see from having Ryan here is that it could possibly add some legitimacy to the franchise, making it more enticing for a big time free agent to come here in a few years, once we are good...assuming we will be good.
If Hicks is really that unsure about JD or doesn't like his philosophy, it seems like nonsense to bring in Ryan to undermine Daniels. If Hicks feels that way he should just fire Daniels and hire Ryan as the teams new GM. I would be totally against that, but this current situation seems either to be either superficial or really dumb.
by Agreen07 on Feb 6, 2008 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it has a huge positive effect on
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agents
by kevzta on Feb 6, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
by coolaid on Feb 6, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some players base it on playing for
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only one is
by coolaid on Feb 6, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All about ego.
They were fighting over Clemens too, though the Rangers never won that battle.
I like what I know about Nolan... I hope it works out.
by Wemedge on Feb 6, 2008 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i concur...
that front office is a mess. look at the moves they made this offseason... pathetic.
so... that's why he's here. he saw a better thing going on here and wanted to be a part of it. geographically speaking... this works perfect for him.
by oc on Feb 6, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
by LAMuscleFag on Feb 6, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Orel Hershiser
I loved Nolan as a player, but I just don't know what he's going to do for this franchise as its President and apparently he doesn't either right now. It would have been nice to hear that he had some sort of plan, be it on the baseball side or the business side.
by Chris Hanes on Feb 6, 2008 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And what exactly does Orel bring to the table?
by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't know???
by Chris Hanes on Feb 6, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting points, Adam...
But on the baseball end of things, the fact that JD was extended speaks volumes, I think - he's the guy with the plan, and I think extending him means that this team may have finally comitted to the future, something that we should have done a long time ago. JD should continue to handle the baseball side of things the way he sees fit, with occasional input from Nolan, which, you would think, will be positive. In fact, as far as baseball input goes, hiring Nolan might also help us become a more pitching-oriented franchise, something that should fit right in with JD's plan.
There are still a few unawnsered questions about what his role will be, but personally, with JD getting extended, I'm having a hard time finding the downside in the hiring of Nolan right now.
by lonestarJon on Feb 6, 2008 8:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with that assessment
by B_Black on Feb 6, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD
by Jea103 on Feb 6, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reading
His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
by Wes Cox on Feb 6, 2008 8:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I read that book a couple years ago in High school
by lonestarJon on Feb 6, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy did that movie suck
by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as confusing as the book was,
by lonestarJon on Feb 6, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The effects were crummy...
by benmor78 on Feb 6, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this just your subtle way ...
by shroomer on Feb 6, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so...
hmm.
oh well, the dude can sell air conditioners and foundation repair. love me some olshan
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by gossamer on Feb 6, 2008 8:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any Question
by 1man5tools on Feb 6, 2008 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
is it
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by gossamer on Feb 6, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
by coolaid on Feb 6, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the most underrated person in that organization.
...the only positive thing anyway.
by oc on Feb 6, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
by badradiorules on Feb 7, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
by Ed Coffin on Feb 6, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume
by 1man5tools on Feb 6, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm witholding any critique
If there is synergy between JD's team constuction plans into the future, and Ryan's aspirations to eventually (say) own the Rangers, or even if his role is minority partner but he's an officer of the organization, I'm pleased.
How it works is tied to so many dependencies I have to sit back and wait.
by Ed Coffin on Feb 6, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Own them?
I highly doubt it.
by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan owns two minor league teams...
by lonestarJon on Feb 6, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, that's exactly what I want
What makes a good owner is having enough money to spend when spending is needed + the willingness to actually spend your money when spending is needed.
I don't think Nolan fits the bill at all, cause I don't think Nolan has the money to spend when spending is needed.
Hicks has the cash, but lately hasn't seemed too keen on spending it, though it's not like he hasn't tried (Zito, Matsuzuka, ect.).
We'll see if he opens the wallet again once he thinks we're primed for another run.
by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point
That would be the difference between Nolan and Hicks: to Hicks, running the Rangers is a hobby - to Nolan, running the Rangers would be a full-time commitment. And that's what we really need as an owner, just as much if not more than a massive bankroll.
by lonestarJon on Feb 6, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is highly successful
Having said that, there is no way he has the kind of scratch required to buy a team on his own. But maybe a plausible scenario is that Hicks eventually gives him a small slice of the pie and eventually Ryan heads up a group of investors that might be able to pull it off.
by tricer on Feb 6, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
George W didn't have the $ either
by WyoRanger on Feb 7, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
by slc ranger on Feb 6, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by oc on Feb 6, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great bit
by boomer1 on Feb 6, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny shit oc...
by slc ranger on Feb 6, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
Take that, Randy!
by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't go poppin' your champagne just yet, D...
...you won't hear a peep out of him for three weeks...
...then suddenly, when you least expect it... he'll post something. the most important thing you've ever heard... something that will make you scratch your head and go... "huh... man... why didn't i think of that?"
...and just when you have it figured out, he vanishes in the mist.
dude freaks me out.
by oc on Feb 6, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should I feel honored,
by t ball on Feb 7, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea
by TheBZA on Feb 6, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can't deny...
i listened to The W the other day... forgot how good the production is on that... Hollow Bones especially.
by oc on Feb 6, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan's role
by tdi1985 on Feb 6, 2008 9:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boy...
by benmor78 on Feb 6, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
by SteveP on Feb 6, 2008 9:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nolan Ryan
by dstar442005 on Feb 6, 2008 9:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
More on Ryan...
by winstonbot on Feb 6, 2008 10:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scattershots
- I feel like Adam and some others that are wary of this. I don't trust Hicks' ability to recognize management talent, and as I've mentioned before, his chain of command policy and overall management style are just horrible, and I think the poster just above has a couple of really good points on Hicks. He's added another layer into the baseball brain trust but has never shown interest in allowing that person to take his place. It will be interesting to see how he handles it, whether he's smart enough to stop doing interviews and thinking that he really has any valuable input to add when it comes to baseball decisions.
- I've never concerned myself with how smart or wise Ryan is, and that's something else that I'd be a bit wary of, but I will say that he has identified maybe the number one problem with Tom Hicks. He said that he thinks that the organization has constantly changed direction and management personnel and that what he thinks it needs is continuity. If Daniels really is on the right course, which it looks like he is now, and Ryan will trust him, that would be a really positive influence from Ryan, maybe the most positive thing that a team president could add, if Hicks would cooperate. And, really, that is the sort of thing that a President should impact, the stability of the franchise.
- Ryan talked about the fact that his focus in baseball terms was to build a steady flow of talent from the minor leagues, particularly pitching and acknowledged that it was already starting to happen. That's always a good focus to have, and it's good that his head seems to be in the same place that Daniels' is. I think that I really like some of the people that Daniels has surrounded himself with, in particular my man crush AJ Preller and the pretty venerable Don Welke. If Ryan will involve himself more with the general focus in this area and consistency in that, rather than micromanaging or once again shifting personnel, he can be an advocate for Daniels in Hicks' ADD infested ear.
- In the interview I heard Ryan do after the press conference, he didn't exactly speak glowingly about Daniels, although he was talking to pretty clueless folks in Galloway and Engel. At any rate, I was really happy to see the extension given to Daniels because I was uncomfortable with that particular situation after listening to the interview. And as far as their relationship, if Ryan has an open mind, I tend to think that Daniels will gain his respect. Daniels knows the right things to say and the right attitude to have and I have to assume will make an impression on Ryan just as he has on others with his intellect.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Point 4
I would assume so, as well. If Daniels can make Tom Hicks slow down and stick with a plan, he can probably get Ryan aboard too.
The best thing I read today was Hicks saying he would be less involved day to day.
by t ball on Feb 7, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt
I think Ron Washington pushed for the Chris Young trade, as long as we're just making stuff up out of thin air anyway.
by Sharky on Feb 7, 2008 12:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We just need to blame both
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
by DJCahill on Feb 7, 2008 12:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Guys....
We get a figurehead that isn't Tom Hicks. He happens to be the most successful Ranger on and off the field in Ranger history. From a PR and marketing perspective this move is a grand slam. This mostly effects the average fan and the ones that quit following after years of losing. This will peek their interest again. This move wasn't for us die-hards in that respect, it was for them and it was a great move.
From what I've read and heard from the news conference Tom Hicks said will be in charge of both business and operations. To that I say Cheers! I think many of you are missing the point when you say this may hamper JD. Who is Nolan replacing?????? TOM freakin' HICKS!!!! I thought there was going to be a celebration in the streets when you guys heard this. JD gets to get an OK on a deal from Nolan instead of a guy who we all agree knows little about baseball and is the only guy left from the regime that made all the draft/FA/trade mistakes that you all love to still bitch about. JD needs to increase payroll and can justify it, Nolan pitches it. JD is close to picking up the next Murton and the deal hits a snag. The other team's GM/Pres picks up the phone and Ryan is on the other end asking what its going to take to getturdone? Who thinks its a little easier to tell JD no?
I really like the timing of this as well, adding Mr Ryan at the end of the off-season. This allows for no quick decision making without all the facts (with the exception of the 40-man in spring training). It allows for Mr. Ryan until around the all-star break to evaluate our system so he can make an informed decision when JD brings his next deal. The average fan gets excited because they don't follow the minors or JD's moves like we do. They think if anyone can right this ship, its Nolan Ryan. It gives them something to be excited about when all the LSBers know this thing started 2 years ago.
by corbsclinton on Feb 7, 2008 10:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Norm
This kind of comment reminds me of the extremely shallow-minded Norm Hitzges.
by LBrooks on Feb 7, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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